I believe Bae is Peter Pan & Henry’s father.

[PriceofMagic]

@fairy dust wrote:

Oh, one more thought. Baelfire’s friend, Morraine, looks an awful lot like Wendy whose full name is Wendy Moira Angela Darling????? And…remember all those boys pretending to sword fight with wooden sword (also Charming and Henry)…those sword fights sure remind me of the sword fights that were in the nursery. Lots of interesting connections.

They could always move the Peter Pan story to Morraine’s timeline.

As I posted in another thread, I think the mysterious man is Henry’s father and Bae’s son.

[TheGoldenKey]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

@fairy dust wrote:

Oh, one more thought. Baelfire’s friend, Morraine, looks an awful lot like Wendy whose full name is Wendy Moira Angela Darling????? And…remember all those boys pretending to sword fight with wooden sword (also Charming and Henry)…those sword fights sure remind me of the sword fights that were in the nursery. Lots of interesting connections.

They could always move the Peter Pan story to Morraine’s timeline.

As I posted in another thread, I think the mysterious man is Henry’s father and Bae’s son.

I think young Emma looked a lot like Morraine. Thus Peter/Bae finally settling down in the real world.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[TheGoldenKey]

Good stuff Fairy Dust 🙂 Yes, I thought about the bird as well as The Little White Bird was J.M. Barrie’s first book about Peter. Would love to hear about Neal & the Beats in reference to Peter Pan and the Lost Boys. I did immediately see the connection between Neal’s search for his “lost” father vs Rumple’s search for his “lost” son. I feel Bae isn’t searching, rather, he is running and does not want to be found by Rumple. Thus the postcard, warning him of the curse being broken and Rumple on the move.

Not sure what you meant though about double checking, but hey, if I said something that helped, happy to have obliged 🙂

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[fairy dust]

@NONNIE wrote:

But if Rumple / Dark One is 300 years old when the curse was cast as described by Robert Carlye and the H&K…. then Morraine would have been dead for almost two centuries. She did not go to wherever Bael went to when he fell into the void.

The multiple time frames and multiple stories make it very confusing.

N

Sorry for the confusion Nonnie…I don’t think Morraine is actually Wendy…just that she could be a nod to Wendy thus giving us a clue to Baelfire’s identity as Peter Pan. 🙂

[fairy dust]

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

Good stuff Fairy Dust 🙂 Yes, I thought about the bird as well as The Little White Bird was J.M. Barrie’s first book about Peter. Would love to hear about Neal & the Beats in reference to Peter Pan and the Lost Boys. I did immediately see the connection between Neal’s search for his “lost” father vs Rumple’s search for his “lost” son. I feel Bae isn’t searching, rather, he is running and does not want to be found by Rumple. Thus the postcard, warning him of the curse being broken and Rumple on the move.

Not sure what you meant though about double checking, but hey, if I said something that helped, happy to have obliged 🙂

Here are some of the references I found: I’m pretty darn sure now that our Mystery Man/Neal Cassady IS Peter Pan

Back to the Miracle Factory: Rock Etc. 1990’s By Paul Williams

Layers of irony interweave the layers of music, and you are free to hear whatever you need to. For example, is there something in the way she says his voice that suggests that she – the narrator – is still a food for this Peter Pan/Neal Cassady rip-off artist?

The American Book of the Dead by Oliver Trager

The second verse, which materializes out of the plastic elastic instrumental, references both the Merry Pranksters’ magic bus and its hipster-shaman driver, “Cowboy NEAL” Cassady, who permanently takes the singer away through the looking glass. It is with these Peter Pan-like allusions that the son’g timeless mood is forever set.

The Complete Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics annotations by David Dodd
Skippin through the lily fields I came across an empty space,
It trembled and exploded, left a bus stop in it’s place.
The bus came by and I got on, that’s when it all began,
There was cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land.

(The notes below, 7 and 8 are actual quotes from the book)
7 Neal – “ A reference to Neal Cassady………”
8 A more-or-less direct reference to Never-Never-Land from Sir James Matthew Barrie’s 1901 play, Peter Pan, or the Boy Who Wouldn’t Grow Up. Peter Pan, who says he ran away on the day he was born, and who never ages, takes visitors to Never-Never-Land (also called Neverland).

Promised Land: Thirteen Books that Changed America by Jay Parini

Exactaly what he thinks of Dean (Neal Cassady) we shall never know. But the fun has gone out of the game for him. The road no longer beckons with quite the same urgency. Perhaps Peter Pan has to grow up now?

Kansas City Public Library Classic Review: On the Road by Jack Kerouac – Book Reviews

Kerouac began work on the book in 1951; the novel tells the story of three years (1947-1950) in the life of Sal Paradise, the story’s narrator, and his sometimes stormy, but always interesting, relationship with Dean Moriarty(Neal Cassady), a rambling free spirit – something of a beat Peter Pan.

The novel is semi-autobiographical. Sal is a thinly veiled rendition of Kerouac himself, while Dean is based, a little more loosely, on Neal Cassady…. If Dean is somewhat like Peter Pan, then Sal is perhaps more like Wendy, enjoying the journey, but very much aware that the journey must end, and that each of us has some responsibilities to which we must tend.

Review of On the Road –

And Dean Moriarty (Neal Cassady) is an amazing character – spontaneous, charming, absolutely unhinged and absolutely resistant to responsibility, maturity and probably also good sense. Peter Pan for the age of drugs and casual sex.

From Movie review: Scene a lot of Films – On the Road

Garrett Hedlund’s performance as Dean provides the bedrock; his exuberance engages the audience just as Dean’s affects his fellow travellers. They are fascinated by his Peter Pan-like nature; however, the boy who will not grow up ultimately burns out instead.

From blogs –

Generation Y-er’s are considered a transient generation. Not subject to inscription, homeland wars, famine, or any great depression bar the financial meltdown of 2008, Generation Y has generally been regarded as freer and less responsible than generations before. Perhaps a path paved by the parents who came of age in the ’60s in the wake of Sal Paradise and Dean Moriarty, this generation has been raised by the ideology of freedom from responsibility. This position is inherently derogatory and it refrains from considering the social context of this Peter Pan-labeled generation, and the pressures placed upon it by an aging society.

It may be stupid, but Dean is sort of like a grown up, drugged out Peter Pan who just doesn’t want to act like he has grown up.

[gypsy]

Those are some good finds, fairy dust 🙂 The Grateful Dead song you referrenced is “That’s it for the Other One” or, more commonly referred to by us Dead Heads, “The Other One”. It’s about the documentary Neal made w/The Dead – “Magic Trip”… Neal drove the “Further” bus. There’s also another song, “Cassidy” (yes, it’s spelled different) that The dead wrote in honor of Neal’s memory after his death.
The significance of The Dead is evident in the “Geronimo Jackson” sticker on Emma’s car…and in the finale when Emma dumps Henry’s backpack, a GJ CD falls out, right before Emma grabs Henry’s book and ‘believes’. K&H created Geronimo Jackson for LOST simply because they are also Dead Heads and thought it would be fun to make up a band mimicking The Grateful Dead.

[TheGoldenKey]

Again, good stuff Fairy Dust and Gypsy. Gypsy, you know I love Magic Trip (who’d think to name their bus Further? LOL!).

I think all this stuff on Neal Cassady is great but what really clenched it for me were the obvious clues regarding Bae’s age; Rumple always using the term LOST when referring to Bae; Moira/Wendy connection; Neverland accounting for Bae’s years; and all the other clues I’ve listed in the original post. It just seemed the obvious fairy tale character to me.

Now we see Rumple and Hook all entangled because of Mihla and that connection alone just reaffirms the Peter Pan/Bae theory. The fact that they actually show a young Bae, in the tavern, watching it all go down between Hook, his father and his mother, isn’t just a coincidence. It’s to set up Bae’s personal conflict with Hook.

The physical features can’t be denied either. The facial expressions, the almost tangible mood we feel when looking at both young Bae and Neal’s eyes & face.

I know we find out about Neal being Henry’s father in 2×06 and they said we’d find out Bae’s fate this season. I just hope the latter is sooner than later cause I’ve been patiently waiting to see Bae/Peter Pan since February and the anticipation is killing me! LOL!

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[gypsy]

Yeah, GoldenKey. Your original theory is the whole reason I even thought to look for PP connections – before they released the name Neal Cassady – in the first place 🙂 It already made sense, and stands up on it’s own…these other connections just confirm what you have said since February 🙂

[fairy dust]

Thanks for pointing the way to the Peter Pan theory…I’d say it is right on the money.

[Phee]

@fairy dust wrote:

Sorry for the confusion Nonnie…I don’t think Morraine is actually Wendy…just that she could be a nod to Wendy thus giving us a clue to Baelfire’s identity as Peter Pan. 🙂

Yes, I’ve wondered the same thing. That’s interesting that there’s a similarity between her name and Wendy’s. Love all the other little Pan connections you picked up too. You’ve become a master at finding the connections between the Mystery Man and these theories! 😉

Regarding the Wendy thing, assuming that Bae does end up being Pan, perhaps we could get a flashback ep for him at some point that shows him coming and going from our world, and finding his actual Wendy, (and also maybe her brothers), maybe she was someone who reminded him of Morraine. The Darling kids could exist at any point on the timeline from 300-odd years ago when Bae left FTL. (I’m ruling out a young Emma being the actual Wendy, because the real world timeline wouldn’t fit for the story to have made it to our world if she filled the role of Wendy.)

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