I believe Bae is Peter Pan & Henry’s father.

[hellraiser-89]

That’s a nice theory about Bae going to Neverland before he came to our world! I didn’t think about that, but maybe the beans only lead to Neverland.

But remember Apple red as blood. Jefferson opened a portal to the past FTL to retrieve the apple. So that means portals can send you through time as well as universes.
So it’s possible Bae hasn’t appeared yet in our world, but will in the future. Or maybe he was sent far into the past, either way it opens up more possibilities.

[fairy dust]

@AngieBelle wrote:

Blue Fairy doesn’t make a habit of lying- she was forced into it by Gepetto and was very uncomfortable with the idea. Why would she lie about a land without magic anyway? What benefit could she possibly get from lying about that?

I don’t think Bae’s personality fits Peter either…Peter is a cocky show off. He battles Hook just for the thrill of it! He has no desire to grow up. He is selfish. I can’t imagine Bae taking on that persona.

I think that it is difficult for all of us to see Baelfire taking on a cocky show off persona but maybe that is exactly where the writers want us to be with his character. With most of the characters we didn’t get their backstory until a while after they were introduced…I’m thinking of the Evil Queen and Rumple especially. But after seeing their backstory…Regina as sweet and loving…Rumple as scared and humble…it helped explain how they became the way they were. Baelfire is different in that we got his backstory right when we were first introduced to his character. What we are missing is how his backstory affected who he became. I don’t think he will have become evil, like Regina and Rumple did…but I think he will have very much changed.

[Phee]

@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

That’s a nice theory about Bae going to Neverland before he came to our world! I didn’t think about that, but maybe the beans only lead to Neverland.

My original thought with this theory was that the bean can sense where you need to go and that’s where it sends you. That’s why I figured that if Rumple had gone through as planned, yeah it would have sent them to a land without magic, like Blue said it would, because the whole purpose of the journey was for Rumple to lose his magic. But when Bae went through alone, the needs of the traveller changed, so the bean instead decided to send him to the land where lost, orphaned boys go.

When we saw Hook use his bean, I found it curious that he was so sure of where it was taking them. It sorta seemed that he decided where he was going and told the bean to take him there, which suggests that anyone can tell a bean where to take them, as opposed to it having a singular, pre-programmed destination. I reckon that with Bae’s bean, Blue had told it that it was taking them to a land without magic. But I can imagine Bae’s thoughts as he fell down that hole on his own were along the lines of, “I don’t want to be alone,” essentially telling the bean to take him somewhere there’d be people he could relate to, leading him to the Lost Boys in Neverland.

I’m guessing that when the giants used the beans, they could specify where they went. “I wanna go and plunder…*throws dart at map of the magical realms*…Oz today, please and thank you.” And then to get back, they’d had to have instructed the bean to take them home.

So basically, that’s all a long winded way of saying that I think the beans could go absolutely anywhere the user desired to go, and could access any and all lands.

But remember Apple red as blood. Jefferson opened a portal to the past FTL to retrieve the apple. So that means portals can send you through time as well as universes.
So it’s possible Bae hasn’t appeared yet in our world, but will in the future. Or maybe he was sent far into the past, either way it opens up more possibilities.

Yeah, there’s still the chance that everyone is way off with assuming that Bae should be Neal’s age. There have been some theories suggesting that Bae may have grown old and died already, and we may meet his son, or even grandson, as opposed to ever seeing an adult Bae. I dunno if they’d go that route though, because pretty much all the fans are dying to see an adult Bae, and would feel cheated if we don’t get him.

In my original theory I’d figured that Bae/Pan had one day decided to stay in our world, possibly out of fear of Hook. But now that we’ve seen that apparently other realms were affected by the curse, I think it may just be a simple case of him having been on a visit to our world at the time the curse struck, and an affect of it was that he could no longer get back to Neverland in his usual manner. That would mean that he and Emma and everyone else all got stuck in our world at the same time, and if that’s the point where he began ageing again, then that’d explain how he ended up being the age Neal is now.

[hellraiser-89]

@Phee wrote:

So basically, that’s all a long winded way of saying that I think the beans could go absolutely anywhere the user desired to go, and could access any and all lands.

That’s a very interesting theory.

@Phee wrote:

Yeah, there’s still the chance that everyone is way off with assuming that Bae should be Neal’s age. There have been some theories suggesting that Bae may have grown old and died already, and we may meet his son, or even grandson, as opposed to ever seeing an adult Bae. I dunno if they’d go that route though, because pretty much all the fans are dying to see an adult Bae, and would feel cheated if we don’t get him.

Yes that’s true. Then again since so many think Neal is Bae, they might be deliberately misleading us, and Neal will someone completely different.
They’re so sneaky the writers lol :p

[TheGoldenKey]

@Phee wrote:

Yeah, there’s still the chance that everyone is way off with assuming that Bae should be Neal’s age. There have been some theories suggesting that Bae may have grown old and died already, and we may meet his son, or even grandson, as opposed to ever seeing an adult Bae. I dunno if they’d go that route though, because pretty much all the fans are dying to see an adult Bae, and would feel cheated if we don’t get him.

In my original theory I’d figured that Bae/Pan had one day decided to stay in our world, possibly out of fear of Hook. But now that we’ve seen that apparently other realms were affected by the curse, I think it may just be a simple case of him having been on a visit to our world at the time the curse struck, and an affect of it was that he could no longer get back to Neverland in his usual manner. That would mean that he and Emma and everyone else all got stuck in our world at the same time, and if that’s the point where he began ageing again, then that’d explain how he ended up being the age Neal is now.

Gold assumed that August was his son so that sort of implies that Gold is expecting an adult male and not a 14 year old boy. I’m banking on Neal being Bae and keeping fingers crossed that he’s Peter as well.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[fairy dust]

@Phee wrote:

My original thought with this theory was that the bean can sense where you need to go and that’s where it sends you. That’s why I figured that if Rumple had gone through as planned, yeah it would have sent them to a land without magic, like Blue said it would, because the whole purpose of the journey was for Rumple to lose his magic. But when Bae went through alone, the needs of the traveller changed, so the bean instead decided to send him to the land where lost, orphaned boys go.

When we saw Hook use his bean, I found it curious that he was so sure of where it was taking them. It sorta seemed that he decided where he was going and told the bean to take him there, which suggests that anyone can tell a bean where to take them, as opposed to it having a singular, pre-programmed destination. I reckon that with Bae’s bean, Blue had told it that it was taking them to a land without magic. But I can imagine Bae’s thoughts as he fell down that hole on his own were along the lines of, “I don’t want to be alone,” essentially telling the bean to take him somewhere there’d be people he could relate to, leading him to the Lost Boys in Neverland.

I’m guessing that when the giants used the beans, they could specify where they went. “I wanna go and plunder…*throws dart at map of the magical realms*…Oz today, please and thank you.” And then to get back, they’d had to have instructed the bean to take them home.

So basically, that’s all a long winded way of saying that I think the beans could go absolutely anywhere the user desired to go, and could access any and all lands.

This is an absolutely brilliant theory! 😀 😀 😀

[TheGoldenKey]

@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

That’s a nice theory about Bae going to Neverland before he came to our world! I didn’t think about that, but maybe the beans only lead to Neverland.

But remember Apple red as blood. Jefferson opened a portal to the past FTL to retrieve the apple. So that means portals can send you through time as well as universes.
So it’s possible Bae hasn’t appeared yet in our world, but will in the future. Or maybe he was sent far into the past, either way it opens up more possibilities.

That’s always been a possibility as magic transcends all time and space. I’m fairy certain that Neal is Bae though I’m beginning to question my own theory about him being Peter Pan as well. Would mean that he’d have to be no less than 14 years older than Emma. Neal doesn’t seem that much older. The FBI posted states DOB March 23, 1977. So that’s only 6 years older than Emma, though we know we can’t always trust what we read. Point and case, newspaper printing about “local boy” finding baby Emma. We know AWB was not a local boy.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[PanTheMan]

I think Neal is Bae, but the lingering questions is… is Bae also another character we know?

I think they key to this is considering which characters, that we know from the original stories, travel between worlds.

1. Peter Pan – TheGoldenKey has a brillant theory about this, and i would like to see him/her proved right. I could see Bae becoming mischevious and hating grown ups after his father broke the deal.

2. The Wizard of Oz – the wizard traveled between worlds by balloon. Neal was wearing green a lot, which could support the idea of Peter Pan or the Wizard, i think. I think the Oz hints have to add up sometime. It would definitely be ironic if Bae became the Wizard. The wizard had no magic, but was respected for his power. Bae didn’t want any ties to magic.

The only other characters i can think of that traveled between worlds were females. Dorothy (ruby slippers). Alice. They each had their own methods of traveling between worlds.

It’s clear that if Neal is Bae, he had to go somewhere (neverland, Oz) before he came to the real world.

[gypsy]

Yes, TheGoldenKey’s theory is awesome! I’m sticking with Neal/Bae/Peter Pan. The name Neal Cassady just has waaaay too many clues connected to it. I haven’t seen any other clues connecting any other character to Neal/Bae.

[TheGoldenKey]

@Phee wrote:

In my original theory I’d figured that Bae/Pan had one day decided to stay in our world, possibly out of fear of Hook. But now that we’ve seen that apparently other realms were affected by the curse, I think it may just be a simple case of him having been on a visit to our world at the time the curse struck, and an affect of it was that he could no longer get back to Neverland in his usual manner. That would mean that he and Emma and everyone else all got stuck in our world at the same time, and if that’s the point where he began ageing again, then that’d explain how he ended up being the age Neal is now.

I wholeheartedly believe that with the “lost” connections, Bae HAS to be Peter Pan. Lost boys, Rumple always saying “my son was LOST to me”, the importance to Hook to the series, etc.

Fairly certain that Bae is Neal. Here’s the thing that I just can’t make out. If we look at Peter Pan coming to our world, at 14 years of age, once the curse hit in ’83, that would now make him 42 years of age. Does Neal look that old? Ten years ago, when Emma was 18, did neal look 32? We also see the FBI wanted poster stating that his date of birth was March 23, 1977. That would make him 35. So if he is Peter Pan and did in fact come when the curse hit, the ages don’t seem to match up.

Now, did the curse destroy all the other worlds or are they still out there? Was it only FTL that was demo’d with a small piece remaining? If this is the case, then could Peter Pan have stayed in Neverland post curse, alone without Hook, Smee, lost boys, Tink, etc. Could that loneliness have led him to our world at 14, in 1991?

Just trying to do the math here so the age matches up. Any thoughts?

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

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