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EMMA TREKS UP A BEANSTALK WITH A NOT-TOO-TRUSTWORTHY CAPTAIN HOOK TO STEAL A COMPASS FROM A MURDEROUS GIANT, AND EMMA’S PAST IS REVEALED, ON ABC’S “ONCE UPON A TIME”
Jorge Garcia (“Lost”) Guest Stars as the Giant
“Tallahassee” – With the hopes of finding a magical compass that could help her and Mary Margaret get back to Storybrooke, Emma takes a journey with a not-too-trustworthy Captain Hook up a treacherous beanstalk in an attempt to steal the item from a murderous giant (Jorge Garcia, “Lost”). Meanwhile, Emma’s past is revealed to be anything but magical when she meets up with a fellow thief who wants to make an honest woman out of her, on “Once Upon a Time,” SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 4 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
“Once Upon a Time” stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry Mills, Meghan Ory as Red Riding Hood/Ruby, and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.
Guest starring are Michael Raymond-James as Neal Cassady, Colin O’Donoghue as Killian Jones/Hook, Sarah Bolger as Aurora, Jamie Chung as Mulan, Eion Bailey as August W. Booth/Pinocchio, Jorge Garcia as Giant, Marc-Anthony Massiah as traffic cop, Tony Alcantar as cashier, Fane Tse as customer, Artine Brown as cop and Kerry Sandomirsky as Loretta.
”Tallahassee” was written by Christine Boylan & Jane Espenson and directed by Dave Barrett.
Mmm, I’m trying to find anagrams for Michael Raymond-James’ character now.
ETA: Never mind, I bet his character was named because of this Neal Cassady.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Cassady
“He was simply a youth tremendously excited with life, and though he was a con-man, he was only conning because he wanted to so much to live and to get involved with people who would otherwise pay no attention to him…Somewhere along the line I knew there’d be girls, visions, everything; somewhere along the line, the pearl would be handed to me.”
This quote could possibly fit Mysterious Man.
ETAA: D’oh! I just had another thought. This is probably a good clue that August and Neal have to be connected then because they’re both obvious aliases based on famous literary figures.
[adrotate group="5"]My jaw just hit the floor; I can’t believe they released the mysterious man’s name before the episode airs!
In real life, Neal Cassady “served as the model for the character Dean Moriarty in Jack Kerouac’s novel On the Road.” That’s a classic bad-boy image right there. If anyone saw the recent film by the same name, you’ll get an instant idea of what is meant by the “Beat Generation.”
Although Cassady did not attend Columbia, he soon became friends with them and their acquaintances, some of whom later became members of the Beat Generation.
“Beatnik” is a word used to describe someone who is part of a nonconformist youth-culture that was an undercurrent in America in the 1950s and 1960s. A beatnik stereotype is one of sitting in a cafe, drinking coffee, playing the bongos and reciting poetry.
In October 1945, after being released from prison, [Cassady] married the fifteen-year-old LuAnne Henderson.
This seems to support the idea that fictional “Neal” is going to propose to a teenaged Emma, based on the episode description about a fellow thief wanting to make an honest woman out of her.
After Cassady’s marriage to LuAnne Henderson was annulled, Cassady married Carolyn on April 1, 1948. The couple eventually had three children and settled down in a ranch house in Monte Sereno, California, 50 miles south of San Francisco, where Kerouac and Ginsberg sometimes visited.[6] In 1950 he entered into a bigamous marriage with Diane Hansen, with whom he fathered one son, Curtis Hansen.
This makes me wonder if Emma actually was married to Henry’s father for a brief period, before having the marriage annulled. Perhaps he ended up married to someone else, but had an affair with Emma later on after she got out of jail. It’ll depend on how much the writers want to draw from Cassady’s real life as inspiration for Emma Swan’s and “Neal’s” lives.
AntBee wrote: I just had another thought. This is probably a good clue that August and Neal have to be connected then because they’re both obvious aliases based on famous literary figures.
I like that idea a lot! If August and Neal were friends who both like literature, it’d explain a lot. Perhaps Pinocchio chose August Wayne Booth as his pen name, since it’s an allusion to the literary critic Wayne Booth. Similary, Baelfire might’ve chosen the name Neal Cassady because he liked the book On the Road. My only question is why Emma never met August before he came to SB, since she obviously knew “Neal” and had a child with him. Maybe “Neal” met August after Emma was already out of the picture, which is when Baelfire realized August is actually Pinocchio from FTL, just like him.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@slurpeez108 wrote:
My jaw just hit the floor; I can’t believe they released the mysterious man’s name before the episode airs!
I know! I can’t believe that they would release it this early. To me, I think it potentially gives away a lot of clues as to his identity and who sent the postcard, so I thought they would definitely try to keep it hidden for as long as possible.
Although Cassady did not attend Columbia, he soon became friends with them and their acquaintances, some of whom later became members of the Beat Generation.
I wonder if that’s why those chose NYC for “Neal” to live in. I know the real Cassady moved out west later, perhaps that’s why “Neal” has posters of the Southwest in his apartment. Plus, I could see an older Bae telling Emma about how they should go out west and impressing her with his worldly knowledge of things like beat poetry and poets.
This seems to support the idea that fictional “Neal” is going to propose to a teenaged Emma, based on the episode description about a fellow thief wanting to make an honest woman out of her.
Hopefully, Bae’s life won’t follow the real Neal Cassady’s life; although, maybe the Swan Queen shippers would be happy if Bae, Emma, and Regina entered into a bigamist marriage. 😀
This makes me wonder if Emma actually was married to Henry’s father for a brief period, before having the marriage annulled. Perhaps he ended up married to someone else, but had an affair with Emma later on after she got out of jail. It’ll depend on how much the writers want to draw from Cassady’s real life as inspiration for Emma Swan’s and “Neal’s” lives.
Yes, I hope they don’t have him married to Emma or anyone else and make him too much like the real Neal Cassady; although, it’s certainly possible that he could have been.
Also, does him being named Neal Cassady mean it’s more likely that he’s Peter Pan too or less likely? Cassady did seem like a real life Peter Pan in many ways, so if they use a lot of Cassady’s life as inspiration for Bae’s life, it’s possible that could be a hint. On the other hand, the man in the apartment and from the episode description, doesn’t seem too much like the real Cassady did, imo, so maybe “Neal Cassady” is just Bae and not also Peter Pan.
I like that idea a lot! If August and Neal were friends who both like literature, it’d explain a lot. Perhaps Pinocchio chose August Wayne Booth as his pen name, since it’s an allusion to the literary critic Wayne Booth. Similary, Baelfire might’ve chosen the name Neal Cassady because he liked the book On the Road. My only question is why Emma never met August before he came to SB, since she obviously knew “Neal” and had a child with him. Maybe “Neal” met August after Emma was already out of the picture, which is when Baelfire realized August is actually Pinocchio from FTL, just like him.
Yes, I think they likely met after Emma and Bae parted.
I just remembered that Emma did meet August before he came to SB! He was the 7-year-old boy, Pinocchio, who brought baby Emma from the magical tree portal to the local diner in Maine. Pinocchio then left Emma in the foster home in what looked like Boston to run away with the group of children who stole money for bus-fare. What if Pinocchio and Baelfire met much earlier than we were supposing? They could have been part of the same group of “Lost Boys” who were on the run and constantly going different places. August/Pinocchio said he eventually ended up on the other side of the world as an adult, and that’s where he was when Emma decided to stay in SB and he got the “painful reminder” that he hadn’t been there for her. Yet, I’ve been wondering how August knew his pain corresponded with when she decided to stay, and not say, when she first arrived.
Ok, crackpot theory: Perhaps August told “Neal” about Emma’s true fairytale identity as the savior who’d break the curse, and it was part of some bigger plan for her to have a kid with “Neal” so she’d eventually break the curse. It’d be such a huge twist if “Neal” (aka Baelfire) has been working all along with August to break the curse! Maybe August and “Neal” made sure baby Henry came all the way form Phoenix, Arizona to Storybrooke, Maine, and they contacted Mr. Gold about a child for Regina. At the time, Mr. Gold didn’t remember he was Rumpelstiltskin, because it wasn’t until he heard Emma say her name that he got his true FTL memories back. That would also explain why August might’ve sent the postcard to “Neal” with the word “broken” written on it; it was a way of saying mission accomplished, Emma broke the curse, now come to SB. I imagine he may have a thing or two to say to his father. Also, if Rumpel cannot leave town to find Bae, Bae might just find him.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Just to add to his name meaning, did google both ‘Neal’ and ‘Cassady’. Both have gaelic (scottish) roots. Neal means uncertain, possibly a champion. Cassady – curly-headed, ingenious, clever.
If feels weird, to finally know that this guy is Henry’s dad – for MRJ to finally have a character name. Couldn’t they have at least named the cashier or cop? Made this a little less obvious. 😆
Maybe his teenage bride is Loretta – they separated or something before he meets Emma. He then tries to marry Emma and it comes out he’s still married to Loretta – can’t see Emma taking that well.
Bee, all that time stalking and they release the info. That name makes me feel like he should be a member of the Partridge Family. (Come on, I can’t be the only one who thought this.)
Maybe it’s a little to easy. I don’t know. They never reveal stuff like this, but maybe they’re not worried about the internet public since the majority of viewers aren’t in the fandom.
MR-J does not look like a Neal. But him and August both having literary names confirms, in my mind, that they know each other. My theory is that they met in Phuket. I can’t see Henry’s father knowing about the baby and setting up the adoption. I just can’t imagine it.
However, maybe August set up the adoption. He’d be around 24 or 25 at the time and maybe he thought he should check up on Emma because he abandoned his mission to take care of baby Emma and make sure she broke the curse. He could be feeling guilty and through his tracking found out she was pregnant and when she gave the baby up, somehow made it so baby Henry ended up in Storybrooke. That way it would be a link to where she was supposed to return in the future and break the curse. Maybe he felt that was enough and went out of her life until he returned. He could have felt that he was doing enough to ease his guilty conscience.
I just think there is some connection between Emma, Bae, and August.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Neal Cassady also made a documentary “Magic Trip” w/ The Grateful Dead and the Dead song “Cassidy” is a memorial to him…yes it’s spelled different for a reason…anyway…this is another connection to The Dead(and ultimately Geronimo Jackson) that I was talking about in the ‘Dr Whale…Proof’ thread…I put this one here, as it is a spoiler, but, there are many Dead connections.
I love how a simple name can send the fandom into such a frenzy. 😆
Some very interesting stuff in here. The bigamy bit supports the theory that Henry’s father (assuming this character IS Henry’s father, watch us all be wrong about that 😆 ), was involved with someone else when he got Emma pregnant.
……..OH Kay …. they just gave us his name 😕 – I will be able to pick my jaw of the floor… in a moment… I think.
Are we to assume they are being all tricksy with us or giving us this gift out of the goodness of their hearts – they Never just give us this stuff … do they? After everything we had to go through with AWB … & they just give us his name- splat,like that?!? 😕@Josephine wrote:
Bee, all that time stalking and they release the info. That name makes me feel like he should be a member of the Partridge Family. (Come on, I can’t be the only one who thought this.)
lol, well at least I knew when he is working on OUaT, and I knew that he was working on the show around the time they were filming episode 6 before we got official confirmation. So at least all of stalking wasn’t for nothing.
Maybe it’s a little to easy. I don’t know. They never reveal stuff like this, but maybe they’re not worried about the internet public since the majority of viewers aren’t in the fandom.
Yes, I always see fans write that, and while it does seem a little too easy, I doubt people who don’t pay attention to the Internet really care if the cast list is revealed, and then they reveal Mysterious Man’s name in a summary later on. They probably still don’t even know that the identity of Henry’s father is going to be revealed this episode.
Also, since Neal Cassady is an obvious alias, there’s still people on the Internet guessing he’s going to be Jack or someone other than Bae, so I guess for those that really hate the idea of Mysterious Man being Bae, they’re still sticking to their guns.
MR-J does not look like a Neal. But him and August both having literary names confirms, in my mind, that they know each other. My theory is that they met in Phuket. I can’t see Henry’s father knowing about the baby and setting up the adoption. I just can’t imagine it.
True, but I could definitely see why he chose the name Neal Cassady since Cassady was so influential to so many people. Maybe he saw himself as sort of a kindred spirit to those Beat poets, and it helped romanticize the committing crime so that he wouldn’t feel as guilty about doing so since he probably didn’t have a whole lot of choice anyway. From the synopsis and seeing him in present day, I don’t think he enjoyed his life of crime at all, although I could be wrong, and I think that maybe he needed to justify it in some way to himself.
If he did travel around as much as the real Cassady, there’s a good chance that he and August met up in Phuket. He did have that air mail envelope in his apartment, but I wasn’t sure if that was for him because of work or for him personally.
I don’t think he knows about Henry at all. I still believe that Henry was brought to Storybrooke because of the Curse doing so not because of Bae because there’s no way he would hand over anyone to his dad knowing how his dad changed. I also don’t think that Bae got Emma pregnant on purpose in order to break the Curse. It’s just a really disturbing idea, imo, and while Bae maybe a conman, I don’t think he’s some kind of mastermind that would do something like that to Emma and his child.
However, maybe August set up the adoption. He’d be around 24 or 25 at the time and maybe he thought he should check up on Emma because he abandoned his mission to take care of baby Emma and make sure she broke the curse. He could be feeling guilty and through his tracking found out she was pregnant and when she gave the baby up, somehow made it so baby Henry ended up in Storybrooke. That way it would be a link to where she was supposed to return in the future and break the curse. Maybe he felt that was enough and went out of her life until he returned. He could have felt that he was doing enough to ease his guilty conscience.
I think August had enough to be feel guilty about with abandoning Emma instead of doing what Gepetto and The Blue Fairy wanted him to do, not that I blame him at least at that point in his life, and for not seeking Emma sooner to help her out when he was older and stable enough to have reached out to her. So I don’t think he was involved with Henry’s adoption either.
Maybe his teenage bride is Loretta – they separated or something before he meets Emma. He then tries to marry Emma and it comes out he’s still married to Loretta – can’t see Emma taking that well.
lol, I already looked up her picture back when the cast list was released, and figured that she was going to be a social worker or something like that. She might be the oldest looking teenage bride if that’s who Loretta really is. 😆
From the cast list and the summary, it seems like robbing some type of business, I’m guessing gas station/convenience store, is what leads to Emma going to jail. Did Neal just take off when the cops arrived leaving Emma to hold the bag? Or was it going to be one last crime thing before they start their new lives, but he never showed up so she did it alone but it didn’t work out because it needed to be a two person job type of thing? Did he get caught before her someplace and rat her out to get a lighter sentence?
Or maybe as Lil’Red suggested before he ratted her out because that was the only way he thought he could help her stop committing crime? Actually, he would have been right if he had believed that, but I could see why Emma would hate him for betraying her like that. I think I like this theory the best because while Bae would still be a conman/criminal guy, who probably shouldn’t have turned in his girlfriend or ex-girlfriend at that point in time, it makes him look like a jerk but not too much of a jerk. Plus, I don’t think it’s as cliche as him already being married or him running out when they were about to be caught to let Emma take the blame, and in a way, he would be like his dad in that they started out having good intentions about doing something to help out someone they loved but it backfires and everyone’s miserable afterwards.
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