March 15, 2015 at 10:07 pm #298672RumplesGirlKeymaster
Raise your hand if you’re incredibly disappointed in Rumple?
Honestly, this is so low. He’s manipulating Belle to get his ultimate power weapon back. It’s horrible. I’m sorry to say it, but Rumbelle is basically done at this point. How does Belle ever forgive that Rumple has manipulated her twice now–first to get into town (and putting everyone in danger) and then to get his dagger[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 15, 2015 at 10:49 pm #298679TheWatcherParticipant
From a villain perspective, which they are playing Rump as this seasons big bad already, I must say it was clever. Predictable but clever. Not a good thing to do to Belle AT ALL but Rump is making moves to get his happy ending, shift the balance or whatever the heck it is he is trying to do. He cant walk around with the object that makes him powerless in the hands of a hero. I don’t know how Belle is going to forgive Rumpel either. I really want to say this ship is over but there is absolutely no way. Belle will end up forgiving rump after h does something heroic and all that jazz, yadda yadda yadda. Rump may have reverted to full on villain status this season so i should expect we are going to see a lot more bad things coming from him involving Belle. I honestly expect him to rip out Will’s heart in order to force him to do something bad to Belle and get her to dump him.
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Not only did they ruin Rumple, but they did the same thing to Belle.
Rumple manipulated is “true love” to get his dagger back. Impersonating someone else and lying to her is not the way to get her back.
Belle doesn’t get a free pass, either. This is not the Belle from Seasons 1 and 2. She willingly gives Hook Rumple’s dagger without more questioning on what he’s going to do with it. I’m just flabbergasted that a woman who is supposedly this intelligent entrusts just one person with it’s whereabouts. Why not include Snowing and Emma in on it, too?
My Rumbelle is so twisted, I don’t think I can support them in canon again. What happened to “Love is layered.” Now she’s happy with “simple”.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.March 15, 2015 at 11:41 pm #298688
Was anyone else totally freaking out about the rose? WHO WAS THAT?!? 😯
Keeper of Anna’s Awkward Babbling and Kristoff’s Fur-trimmed Tunic!March 15, 2015 at 11:52 pm #298689
Also, where was Hook during all this? What if someone saw two Hooks? Rumple wouldn’t be sloppy enough to take that chance. Was Hook frozen in time somewhere?
And, was that the real Hook outside Granny’s? What about in the library?
Keeper of Anna’s Awkward Babbling and Kristoff’s Fur-trimmed Tunic!March 16, 2015 at 12:12 am #298694
Rumple the genius wordsmith strikes again. He fed her the precise words to use, to command him to “face me”. Think how different it would have been, if she had said something as simple as “show yourself”. 😮
Keeper of Anna’s Awkward Babbling and Kristoff’s Fur-trimmed Tunic!March 16, 2015 at 1:07 am #298699CindersParticipant
So, that hand to the heart oath….was that a mutual promise? Or, was that a Spell Rumple places on Belle? Could she break the oath if she chose to? Would she, if she needed to?
Sorry, but that handing over the dagger scene with Hook and Belle, even if it had truly been the real Hook. My brain just screamed! Belle! Foolish Belle! What are you doing! I know they’ve given her brief bursts of strength, but they lead nowhere. Over and over and again they portray her as foolish, vulnerable, love sick, and weak minded, in my opinion. Who is this woman?
And why is she with Will? I REALLY LOVE Will, but I’m not looking foreword to their story. I don’t want him to “save” Belle. I definitely don’t want him to be the victim of Rumple’s vengeance. Belle and Will have the potential to be cute together but I’ve temporarily given up on happy endings. Belle should have had a happy ending if she’s a hero. But she certainly hasn’t been given one.
I think Rumple is hurt by Belle moving on, but it’s clear that he’s more in love with power than he is with Belle. He chose power over Belle ages ago.March 16, 2015 at 1:35 am #298700KebParticipant
Belle is a strong, impulsive, intelligent, and insightful woman, but she’s also idealistic, romantic, and plagued by insecurities. None of that feels inconsistent to me–it actually fits together VERY well from where I sit.
Her insecurities do make her easier to manipulate, and sometimes her romanticism and insecurities get in the way of her intelligence (as does that heroic, impulsive strength at times). Rumple knows her better than anyone else, so he knew what to say to persuade her to turn over the dagger. I don’t exactly like that he used Hook (their history does make it sketchy for Belle to turn it over, but I’m putting faith in the friendship they built in the six weeks we don’t get to see) for that purpose–but he would have found another way if it hadn’t worked. This is Rumple, after all.
I don’t think this manipulation is worse than his previous betrayals. If you weren’t done with Rumbelle over his behavior in 4A, I struggle to see how this is the final straw. It’s consistent with how he behaved in 4A–pretty much consistent with the Rumple we’ve seen since Neal’s death, actually. (I still find his acceptance of Neal’s death OOC, but that’s another issue.)
It’s low but understandable that he’d do what he had to in order to get the dagger back. He doesn’t feel he can let Belle or the heroes know he’s back in town yet, but he probably needs the dagger both for his own security and for some of what he’s got planned. He’s always been very ends-justify-means, even before he was the Dark One; this is no different for him. Which is not to say he isn’t being awful to Belle–he is–but the harm to her is, in his mind, a minor price for his goal. He may even believe that by the time he’s done, just as with his arc in 4A, she’ll be none the wiser and therefore not really harmed at all (by his logic, not hers or ours).
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I see no way for Belle and Rumple to reconcile romantically, unless Rumple actually manages to succeed in getting the Author to rewrite his story. But even that would create a whole slew of moral issues, like Rumple forcing the Author to do something by changing the odds for the villains to win, thereby making Belle be his again. But two wrongs don’t make a right. Rumple can’t just “fix” it so that he gets his happiness by taking away Belle’s free will, since love not freely given isn’t real.
As things stand, there is no trust there, on either end, and there can be no trust. Rumple has continuously lied to her and manipulated her. Belle has sought to control him with the dagger, more than once, knowing he’d been Zelena’s prisoner. They are at an impasse, and Belle doesn’t even know she’s been duped by Rumple, again and again! That isn’t healthy on any level. Rumple is doing what he does best, being manipulating, conniving but this time it’s being done against someone he supposedly loves more than anyone…except for magic, his true mistress.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal CassidyMarch 16, 2015 at 2:45 am #298710WickedRegalParticipant
And so we add another lie onto Rumple’s already full list of lies. I don’t even know what to say about Rumple anymore…and poor Bobby just seems to be so over this role now, he doesn’t even give it his one hundred percent anymore.
I’m really worried now that this may very well be Rumple’s final season…especially since he’s being painted as the Big Bad whose manipulating the Villain Version of Charlie’s Angels.
As for Rumbelle…I don’t see them coming back from this.
I’m literally waiting for a Rumple and Belle scene that goes exactly like this:
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
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