March 16, 2015 at 3:40 am #298722GaultheriaParticipant
He fed her the precise words to use, to command him to “face me”.
Yeah, it was chilling that he obeyed the command and still won. I like this colder and more devious version of Gold that we’re getting this half-season. Gold is a better villain than Rumpel.[adrotate group="5"]March 16, 2015 at 5:11 am #298727PheeParticipant
Raise your hand if you’re incredibly disappointed in Rumple?
If I had enough enthusiasm left to bother, I’d be flailing both arms madly in the air.
If I were Belle, I could maybe, perhaps, one day come to see Rumple as a friend again if he gave up magic and showed a concerted effort over an extended period of time to be a decent person. If an addict puts in an honest effort to kick their addiction, takes responsibility for and shows remorse for what they did while consumed by their addiction, and makes a change to be a more productive human being in the future, then they deserve another shot at a better life, and part of that would be being forgiven by those they’ve wronged. But if I’m Belle, I dunno that I could ever forget the things Rumple has done, and be willing to be in a relationship with him again.
If I were Rumple, I’d feel pretty betrayed that Belle had given the Dagger to someone who has been my sworn enemy for centuries. I guess it’s complicated because Rumple actually wanted her to give “Hook” the Dagger, but I would still think that it’d hurt him on some level that she’d just handed an object like that over to Hook of all people, no questions asked.
I’d be surprised if RumBelle don’t bounce back after this, (unless Rumple dies), but I can’t see myself buying however they have them reconcile, because the betrayal on both sides is too much IMO.March 16, 2015 at 7:21 am #298728
Over and over and again they portray her as foolish, vulnerable, love sick, and weak minded, in my opinion. Who is this woman?
Not!Belle. She goes perfectly with Not!Rumple
Her insecurities do make her easier to manipulate, and sometimes her romanticism and insecurities get in the way of her intelligence (as does that heroic, impulsive strength at times).
Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice….
I don’t think this manipulation is worse than his previous betrayals. If you weren’t done with Rumbelle over his behavior in 4A, I struggle to see how this is the final straw
It’s not that. It’s that he hasn’t changed. His HEA has nothing to do with Belle but just his power. How on EARTH do you imagine that Belle will ever forgive learning that he came back to town (by manipulating her) and that he got the dagger back (by mainpulting her) after spending all of 4A manipulating her? It shows that he hasn’t changed. That NOTHING she said at the town line had any effect. This isn’t the final straw; it’s more proof that he isn’t a man anymore, just a beast.
And if she takes him back then she’s a fool. She’s a walking cliche of bad female tropes, ones that are silly and stupid and can’t see the forest for the trees cause love. This is now one of the most abusive and horrifying relationships on this show
It’s low but understandable that he’d do what he had to in order to get the dagger back.
Uh no it’s not. He was functioning perfectly fine without it. There is no REASON to have it other than he wants it. That’s incredibly selfish and that’s why they’ve tuned him into
And in the process they’ve made Belle look like the dumbest fool alive"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 16, 2015 at 7:23 am #298729
I’d be surprised if RumBelle don’t bounce back after this, (unless Rumple dies), but I can’t see myself buying however they have them reconcile, because the betrayal on both sides is too much IMO.
Right. They might come back together, but it’s going to be poorly executed and leave a horrible taste in everyone’s mouth–at least who can see that this relationship is a horrible example of romance on OUAT"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 16, 2015 at 10:25 am #298745PheeParticipant
And, was that the real Hook outside Granny’s? What about in the library?
I think it was probably Real!Hook up until and including the library. Not!Hook tells Belle at the Diner that the QoD want Regina to steal something, but considering he’s actually Rumple, and is the one in control of this whole plan, he didn’t have to be in the library scene in order to relay that information to Belle. You’d think that Rumple would have been smart enough to knock Hook out at some point, (and later wipe his memory of it), so there wasn’t two of him wandering around town, but I don’t necessarily expect to ever have that clarified.
If that WAS Rumple in the library scene, then he knows that Regina’s just faking bad with the QoD to spy on them.March 16, 2015 at 10:30 am #298746nevermoreParticipant
Personally, I’m curious about what the writers’ endgame is with digging the proverbial hole deeper by piling betrayal upon betrayal. Better to bury Rumbelle in? (pardon the extended metaphor). At this point, it’s become hard for me to simply enjoy the story, and not to try to reverse engineer what on earth E&A are trying to achieve here. My guess, though I might be wrong, is that they’re pushing for a point of no return, such that they can permanently disentangle Rumple’s happy ending from Belle, re-create a new HE for Belle with someone else, ret-con that their relationship was never based on true love anyway, and then kill Rumple off by the end of the season. Now, I don’t like this scenario, but actually what really annoys me the most is the way they’ve had to twist the original characters into caricatures of themselves.
As a result, they are kind of wasting Robert Carlyle’s and Emilie Deravin’s potentials as actors. RC absolutely excels at doing the kind of ambiguous not-quite-fully-villain that’s at times sympathetic, and at times chilling or infuriating — Rumple in the first seasons acted more as a force of nature than a 2-dimensional baddie. Belle’s character suggested outward softness but inward strength, which could have been further explored and developed — and offered an alternative model of a strong female character to outwardly strong but inwardly brittle Emma and Regina. Instead, Belle’s character has been made weak through and through, auxiliary to the men in her life, as some folks on this forum have noted (and kind of by extension failing at the Bechdel test…) Worst of all, the pairing now essentially portrays the idea that if you have power over someone, whether through love, trust, or a remote control plot device … ahem, I mean a “magical dagger” … you are going to abuse it — whether you are a “villain” (Rumple) or a “hero” (Belle). I don’t know why they went that way — Rumbelle was one of the more interesting relationships on the show. Even if they reconcile them at the end, it’s hard to make oneself care, because the characters have become simplified beyond the point of being particularly engaging. *Groan.*March 16, 2015 at 12:03 pm #298754CorbinParticipant
Does anyone else wonder why Bell, when holding the dagger, didn’t just say, “Dark One, if you’re in Storybrooke, I command you to leave and never return again.” I mean, COME ON. Any normal person would have done that.
I’m just going to assume that, when Belle lost her memory and became Lacey, some brain cells got lost in the process.
Keeper of Thor’s Hammer, Will Scarlet’s Genie Bottle, Emma’s Gun, Emma and Henry’s Moment at the Castle, Cora, and the infamous Family Tree!March 16, 2015 at 1:19 pm #298775JosephineParticipant
Corbin, I’d kinda actually prefer to have Lacey back. At least she was a bit interesting.
(A big part of me thinks A&E are trying to sabotage their own show. Doing a find job of it guys *thumps up* )
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.March 16, 2015 at 5:42 pm #298812
Does anyone else wonder why Bell, when holding the dagger, didn’t just say, “Dark One, if you’re in Storybrooke, I command you to leave and never return again.” I mean, COME ON. Any normal person would have done that. I’m just going to assume that, when Belle lost her memory and became Lacey, some brain cells got lost in the process.
PLOT"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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