March 28, 2012 at 1:11 am #134064
I don’t know if some folks might consider this spoilers so I’ll try my to use the spoiler thingy to avoid my speculation ruining the story for anyone. I don’t actually spoil anything since its speculation, but just to be on the safe side.
I got to thinking earlier today as to who Alice might be, since we got a really neat glimpse of wonderland and it was presented in a way that we all know we'll be going back there again to further the story of the Queen of Hearts, and undoubtedly the return of the mad hatter. But we didn't get any direct information on Alice. So I got to thinking about who she might be and I was thinking perhaps she is the wife of Jefferson. Its plausible that they might could re-tell the whole Alice in Wonderland story with her being the same sort of magician similar to Jefferson where they can travel between different worlds, assuming she is Jefferson's wife. It could work if they did their usual re-working of the classic stories. Maybe even have it some how linked to the rules behind the hat.
As a side note, I don't know why I find this cool but its the first time we are really shown a normal mage/wizard type dude. it kind of fleshes out the use of magic in the Once Universe since it suggests that their are less powerful magic users that don't have quite the wide range of magics the witches, fairies, and rumplestilksen (however you spell it) have. Even if Alice isn't his wife and instead his wife was just another mage like himself than it still opens up the use of magic to a lot more future characters (since I don't think we have been introduced to that many character who it would make sense for them to be wizard type folks).March 28, 2012 at 1:23 am #140075cruel_fortunaParticipant
I think the rules behind the hat are put in place as a sort of fail-safe, by the person who imbued the hat with magic; who in this case I think would probably have to be one of the fairies, I'm thinking the Blue Fairy in particular. Seeing as we've seen the Blue Fairy work with other FTL characters before ( Cinderella – to help capture & imprison Rumpelstiltskin / as well as Snow & Charming, seeing as she was a part of their council meeting & she was the one who assured them that Gepetto would be able to craft a safe passage for baby Emma; the wardrobe. )
So I don't really believe that Jefferson is a magic user. Both in SB & FTL he just happened to know the rules/laws of an object that had been imbued with magic. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gone mad in Wonderland trying to make another magic hat. He would have made one & been done with it.March 28, 2012 at 1:57 am #140087obisgirlParticipant
I was actually wondering while I was watching the episode, who Grace's mom might be. I thought it might be Alice but Alice was a child when she went to Wonderland.March 28, 2012 at 2:08 am #140094hjbauParticipant
I don’t think that Grace’s mother is Alice because i think Alice went to Wonderland and not Fairytale land and that the Hatter was mad already when he met Alice so it would have to be after the Hatter was stuck in Wonderland. And also that Alice is a child.March 28, 2012 at 3:54 am #140110riddleravenParticipant
Jefferson said that Grace’s mother died because of him, somehow in connection with Wonderland. The way he said it, I immediately assumed Alice was her mother. It may or may not be true. And she may or may not really be dead. I don’t think her being a child in the original story means she couldn’t have grown up and married the Hatter and had his child. I also don’t think that him becoming mad after his wife died proves that he hasn’t met Alice yet. Nothing can be proven based on the original stories after all, because they take so much license with them. However, they are guides for the show. And it’s entirely possible that he truly hasn’t met Alice yet.
While watching I also had another thought–that Alice might have eventually become the Queen of Hearts somehow. That’s just a throw away idea though. I don’t see how it could’ve happened.March 28, 2012 at 3:58 am #140112
I dont think the child thing matters all the much since characters like little red riding hood is a child in the actual version but for Once they made her a full grown woman pretty much for the sake of the story.
But the fact that the mad hatter is already in wonderland when Alice meets him in the story does seem like a too big of fact to over look though. But just some other thoughts for why it could be is that Grace does look sort of like Alice from the cartoon so maybe they are hinting Alice is her mom? Or more likely it was just to draw a connection to the Alice in wonderland story even more since the story we got for Jefferson was full of references to Alice in Wonderland before he actually went their with the queen.
For the sake of discussion than, the only other character that we have been introduced to us so far who has a chance of being Alice would have a greater chance of being would be Grace, which I think most people see as unlikely since her name isn't Alice in either world. If you exclude Grace, which I would like to see someone make a case for her since that would be interesting to read, that pretty much leave Alice just being a new character introduced to us (Which I wouldn't mind at all).
Side note: If the queen of hearts is going to be as important as they seem to be making her out to be than that probably means Alice will be a very important character as well. Perhaps a side kick to Emma, since Emma has been more or less on her own so far.March 28, 2012 at 3:59 am #140113riddleravenParticipant
Good points. And I don’t think any of that needs to be in a spoiler tag. 🙂March 28, 2012 at 4:11 am #140118
I don’t think her being a child in the original story means she couldn’t have grown up and married the Hatter and had his child. I also don’t think that him becoming mad after his wife died proves that he hasn’t met Alice yet. Nothing can be proven based on the original stories after all, because they take so much license with them. However, they are guides for the show. And it’s entirely possible that he truly hasn’t met Alice yet.
While watching I also had another thought–that Alice might have eventually become the Queen of Hearts somehow. That’s just a throw away idea though. I don’t see how it could’ve happened.
Yeah, that pretty much is how I looked at the timeline.
But thinking about it, I wonder if they would stray away from altering the story of Alice too much since she is very fleshed out as is, most of us probably know the story of Alice to some degree similar to how we all probably know the story of Snow White. (a lot of us might know Alice in Wonderland better since its a bit more pop culture). It will be interesting to see if they take the approach they have with Snow White which is to pretty much fill in the time line of the original story and flesh out the character a bit more or take the approach they’ve done with characters like little red riding hood which is to really create a completely new character. Can’t wait to find out.March 28, 2012 at 4:13 am #140119angiebelleParticipant
The story of the Mad Hatter has to take place some time before Alice’s visit because he is already mad when she meets him. Alice would not be in fairytale land. She goes to Wonderland from *our* world, remember? She lives in England around the turn of the century. If we see Alice, it would only be in a flashback to her time in Wonderland unless she somehow ended up in the fairytale realm after going down the rabbit hole.March 28, 2012 at 4:26 am #140121
That would be interesting, hadn’t put much thought into her coming from our world and going to wonderland. I’m not if they writers have shown us they would follow the story that closely though. I’d be a disappointed if she didn’t show up in story brook since it seems like wonderland is pretty important, can’t have wonderland with out Alice 😀 , just seems to be maybe where things are pointing since Wonderland has been presented almost as an enemy to fairy tale world (or at least an enemy to Regina)
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