March 28, 2012 at 4:35 am #140123calebParticipant
The story of the Mad Hatter has to take place some time before Alice’s visit because he is already mad when she meets him. Alice would not be in fairytale land. She goes to Wonderland from *our* world, remember? She lives in England around the turn of the century. If we see Alice, it would only be in a flashback to her time in Wonderland unless she somehow ended up in the fairytale realm after going down the rabbit hole.
I just wanted to comment on one thing I left out as far as speculation goes, if they choose to go the route you suggest by following the original story pretty closely that could have some really neat implications in the future. Since if they choose to make Alice come from our world and accidentally transport her self to wonderland than that opens the door up for all sorts of cross world travel. Which if a character like Regina was able to move from world to world that could be a lot of trouble for Emma. That would be a really neat twist in the story.March 28, 2012 at 9:06 am #140134PheeParticipant
Nothing can be proven based on the original stories after all, because they take so much license with them. However, they are guides for the show.
It’s frustrating (in the most delightful way) that it’s hard for us to predict stuff, knowing how they like to turn the stories as we know them on their head.
I was pondering this very question yesterday, but just ended up confusing myself and gave up. LOL But now that you mention it, Imma try again…
We have seen the pic of Alice and the Caterpillar in Henry’s book, haven’t we? This would suggest that in the Once-iverse, Alice was indeed a child when she went to Wonderland and at least some events from the original happened in the show’s version. Dunno that that necessarily rules out her having come from our world, and I hope it doesn’t because that would be fun to see on the show.
I saw someone on another forum suggest that perhaps the Mad Hatter’s unending tea party (in the original recipe of the story) could have been him making up for the tea party Grace had wanted to have with him (in the Once version of the story), and I love, love, LOVED that idea, so much so that I think I’d actually be sad if that isn’t the case.
So if we run with that idea, then Hat Trick events happened before Alice visited Wonderland, therefore Alice couldn’t be Grace’s mother. It also means that the Hatter will either have to be set free or escape from QoH if he’s gonna set up his tea party at some point.
I wonder if we might see Alice go to Wonderland, meet the Hatter, who will tell her about his old life in another world, and she’ll help him get back to Fairytale?
That still doesn’t help shed any light on who Alice could be though. The more I think about it, the more I think she’s probably a brand new character we haven’t seen or heard anything about yet.
Jefferson said that Grace’s mother died because of him, somehow in connection with Wonderland.
He didn’t specify a Wonderland connection, he said “Because of my work, she lost her mother. I don’t want her to lose her father too.” I imagine Jefferson’s job probably involved him traveling to many different worlds, so Grace’s mother could have been lost as a result of him traveling to any number of places. I kinda like the idea that her mother was in the same business, but he does say “my work” not “our work”, so I dunno. Maybe he asked her to help him on a job once and it all went wrong?March 28, 2012 at 11:31 am #140143hjbauParticipant
We might never see Alice in this show. They don’t usually show the story we know. Like with Cinderella. They assume that we know what happens between the moment where Cinderella was given the big ball gown and the moment when she and Thomas are up on the balcony at their wedding. They never actually showed the known story. That is all assumed. I think the same thing will be true of the Alice story.March 28, 2012 at 12:30 pm #140155obisgirlParticipant
But just some other thoughts for why it could be is that Grace does look sort of like Alice from the cartoon so maybe they are hinting Alice is her mom?
😮 Grace becomes Alice? That would be an interesting twist, like Grace somehow finds out that the Evil Queen left her father in Wonderland and she finds a way to go there and rescue him, but the Hatter is so crazy and too far gone that he doesn't even recognize his own daughter? 😮 😯March 28, 2012 at 4:04 pm #140186SlurpeezParticipant
I think that Emma could be an Alice-like figure. She went through a metaphoric rabbit hole when she was transported out of FTL in a wardrobe. She is in a world she doesn’t really belong in. She has the magic to make a portal to another world. She even has a white rabbit decal on her car. There is some more discussion about this on the Emma character analysis thread. https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=264
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal CassidyMarch 28, 2012 at 7:55 pm #140217calebParticipant
Hadnt thought about that. I had thout that sticker was a Lost Easter egg. If I remember its a reference to the fake band from Lost, geronamo Jackson, which is sort of like a racurring joke in that series. The picture comes from the fake album which was put on the iTunes store, still there probably. I hadn’t made the connection between the picture and Alice though. Good call.
Its an interesting hypothesis that Emma is an Alice type character. Perhaps stregnthend by the fact that she came across the mad hatter, had a tea party, and like u said “fell through the rabbit hole”. but I think someone mentioned that there was a picture of Alice in henry’s book. I’d like too see a screen shot of that since that would give us concrete evidenceother she had at least 1 journey into wonderland at what ever age she is in the book. And then we can speculate from there probably better.
The picture it’s self is a rabit skull with earsMarch 29, 2012 at 5:42 am #140263PheeParticipant
ts an interesting hypothesis that Emma is an Alice type character. Perhaps stregnthend by the fact that she came across the mad hatter, had a tea party, and like u said “fell through the rabbit hole”. but I think someone mentioned that there was a picture of Alice in henry’s book. I’d like too see a screen shot of that since that would give us concrete evidenceother she had at least 1 journey into wonderland at what ever age she is in the book. And then we can speculate from there probably better.
It’s a direct copy of an illustration from the original book, so that suggests to me that similar events happened in the Once version of Alice’s story.March 30, 2012 at 1:29 am #140322angela__kParticipant
Hypothetical Alice = Emma. Calling it now. And will gladly concede if wrong.March 30, 2012 at 5:27 am #140337miaParticipant
I just posted this in the thread Regina and the Queen of Hearts:
Ok, crackpot theory:
In the Through the Looking Glass Alice becomes Queen for a while. I still don’t think Grace will be Alice and even though I like Emma being a kind of Alice, it would be cool to have the character on the show. This theory works with Alice being Jeff’s wife or not. The timeline of the original story (the books) doesn’t necesseraly have to be the same on the show (it’s Kitsis and Horowitz after all).
My thought is, considering the fact Alice became a temporary Queen in one of the books, that she became the Queen of Hearts.
Now, I can’t think of anything really supporting this theory, but I think it would be great twist on the story. 😈April 12, 2012 at 2:04 am #141855charmingParticipant
I think and believe that Emma is Alice in Wonderland. If you look up the plot of Alice in Wonderland it says that the whole story is about a young girl growing up and realizing what she needs to do to become an a adult in the world. It is about a girl going from childhood to adolescense. Emma had a troubled childhood. If you look at the way Jennifer Morrison protrays Emma it is clear she acts as childish as Henry and in some ways more childish than Henry. Henry is less od a kid than Emma. There are many times where Henry is teaching Emma things she should be teaching Henry. Remember now Emma never really had a childhood that one can cherish and everyone can agree that that is something that everyone cherishes. To this day everyone who has had a relatively normal child remembers something good about those days. Emma can say not one good word about her chilldhood. Henry has more of a childhood than Emma. Him being 10 years old does help but ever since meeting Emma he has stpped being an adult and becoming more of a child while Emma is becoming more of an adult while being less of a child.
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