October 17, 2016 at 10:11 am #328804AKAParticipant
But she isn’t written in a way that’s likable this season, and she sure doesn’t seem to like Rumple in any way shape or form — so in a way they are actually turning her into Milah.
THIS!!! That is exactly the feeling I got out of the scene. The question is whether it is deliberate or not. Are the writers trying to make us dislike Belle as much as we disliked Milah? Are they trying to say the Rumple/Belle family will end up just like the Rumple/Milah family? They are setting up with a lot of similarities, you have a very angry and hurtful Belle living on Hook’s pirate ship. You have Killian being the hero and saving Belle from danger while Rumple can only watch.
This is also why I was really happy that Rumple did not just walk away and be that passive, submissive person he always was with Milah. He needs to state that he is frustrated and angry because he actually does love Belle enough to fight for here where he was not willing to fight for Milah.[adrotate group="5"]October 17, 2016 at 10:32 am #328806MattParticipant
I just feel like at this stage they are really going to have to pull something amazing out of the bag to get us to like the two of them again. I still have a feeling that we might end up seeing a Dark One Morpheus and Rumple having to really fight tooth and nail to save his son. I’m not 100% sure I would like that, but surely something like this is the only thing that could reunite Belle and Rumple – a common cause? I guess the baby could be snatched/stolen as well.October 17, 2016 at 10:40 am #328807thedarkonedearieParticipant
Yeah to me this ship is done. And the writers have basically told us such. And I agree, that dock scene, was a turning point. But it’s not that the writers don’t know how to write a romantic relationship properly. That’s just not what this is. If we’re going to be realistic here, not every relationship is ponies and unicorns. This is an abusive one, with many things at play and the slow demise up to this dock scene I feel has been written quite fine actually. And yes, there is a blame on both sides, just like in any relationship. However this whole episode was so in character for Rumple. All you people who say Rumple has been character assassinated over the years have to point out when the character is done well too. Rumple has been a bad person but he always did what he did for his family, specifically his son. And here, what he did to Belle was horrible but he did it to try and protect her in his own twisted way. So to me, this was a perfect example of Rumple being himself and Belle realizing he really just will never change.October 17, 2016 at 5:23 pm #328827RumplesGirlKeymaster
Or if we have a villain in the pair, the other character needs to be (1) extremely likable and (2) they must really care about the villain character, thus transmitting some of that emotion to the audience by association.
I think you summed it up really well. I sorta agree with AKA or anyone else defending Rumple because in his own way this is how he protects his family and he’s literally just being the same person he’s always been. Belle comes across as an absolute indecisive shrew but that’s also pretty unfair to how her character has been presented in the past. Neither of these two are very likable anymore.
I really don’t understand why they bothered including Belle in this show, because IMO they have done such an awful job with her character throughout.
That too."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 17, 2016 at 9:02 pm #328856sierraleoneParticipant
Co-incidentally I read something this week of how woman (in fiction and real-life) often change their hair when they are contemplating and/or implementing other changes, that will have real impact, on their lives…. And when I saw Gold’s hair change, even though I knew it was due to a recent role, I was wondering if the writers were going to exploit that and use it to indicate something for Gold…. Not that we saw much of that this episode, and he has had this hair for some 60+ years (before and after Rumple’s wavy locks), but hopeful, against all reason, that we will see something meaningfully different from him in the future.October 18, 2016 at 7:20 am #328880onceaholicParticipant
I ask this every episode, lately, but is there any hope for Rumbelle? What did you guys make of Rumple’s declaration that Belle would come back to him, if not out of love than necessity and that Belle needs him even if she can’t admit it. Is anyone else having some queasy feelings over this ship? If Belle were to go back and live as his wife again, does that work for you? Does that work for the story?
It would never work for me. This ship sailed along time ago and should never come back. His remarks are the epitome of control and narcissism.
What the writers need to do is
a) never have the two of them together again. And to make this fit their world building, they need to:
b)show that True Love relationships can come to an end if one of the people in the TL relationship changes (e.g. becoming the Ultimate Dark One, rather than just being the Dark One), or at least show the exceptional circumstances in which TL between two people can end.
Keeper of Regina's braveryOctober 18, 2016 at 8:17 am #328888PxlbarrelParticipantb)show that True Love relationships can come to an end if one of the people in the TL relationship changes (e.g. becoming the Ultimate Dark One, rather than just being the Dark One), or at least show the exceptional circumstances in which TL between two people can end.
I have hope … because they were the couple that really drew me into the series. I do think that it’s Belle that’s changed, not Rumple…. well, maybe Rumple isn’t as evil as he was in the Enchanted Forest but he’s still evil and the same guy that Belle fell in love with. Belle changed … she first saw past the man to see the beast and then sees the real man … the original coward who can’t live without the power of the dagger. What was it that he said in an earlier season? He wanted it all? Her love and the dagger. Well, he hasn’t changed.
I think the writers missed the ship when they didn’t allow Rumple more time as a mortal, pure hearted hero. That would have been interesting to see how he would win the fickle Belle back as the man she always wanted (then rejected… sigh). But the writers made him the Dark One again too soon after he became that good man. Bet he wished he’d killed Hook with Excalibur now, eh?
Of course, a lot of my shipping and bias is because Robert Carlyle is my favourite actor in the show so … of course I said with Rumple. 😉October 19, 2016 at 1:44 pm #328960bibliophileParticipant
I agree that Belle is both confused and highly confusing as a character and to me she’s been that way since season 4. With Rumple I can at least make sense of why he does what he does, even if the show isn’t always good at explaining things to us. I agree with Pxlbarrel above that the reason (in my head at least) that Rumple took back the darkness was because he’d finally become a good man (or at the very least he was heading that way) and Belle rejected him immediately without giving him a chance to prove he could keep making right choices and that the dagger looked like the only thing he had left. Whether that’s the way the writers see it or not I can’t say, but in general I just don’t understand why Belle does, what she does, when she does it. Rumple as a character has I think remained fairly consistent.
Sometimes I think the show might have been better had Belle stayed locked up in Regina’s prison for a few more seasons so that the writers could keep Gold firmly in the dark/grey area they clearly enjoy writing him in without tearing the Beauty and the Beast story to ribbons just because a happy Dark One raising a bookish brood of little dark ones while occasionally helping out the heroes just to please his wife isn’t as easy to write.
And while I’m at it could they please have a little more familial interaction between Rumple/Henry/Charmings ect.? It’s so weird to me that all these people are family, they live in the same small town and never ever seem to talk to each other or have a meal together or you know care at all when their grandfather’s pregnant wife’s sleeping curse prison box is kidnapped.October 19, 2016 at 1:53 pm #328961TheWatcherParticipant
I doubt the ship will sink given that its Rumpel and Belle and its like saying Snow and Charming will break up. It just wont happen. The writers will give us the most basic reason for them to stay together and realize they really love eachother despite all else. Here is what will happen:
A villain will threaten the life of Belle and the baby. In orser to defeat them, Rump has to give up his powers, something Belle thinks he will never do given his track record but in a true show of love he will do it and save his family and everything willl be okay. Or he dies. But still everything will be okay.
They wont just breakup.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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I doubt the ship will sink given that its Rumpel and Belle and its like saying Snow and Charming will break up. It just wont happen.
See, I don’t think the writers see those two ships in the same way. They’ve always had very definitive stances on those two; in sum—
Snowing: it would be the end of hope (if they broke up)
Rumbelle: Well, Rumple is a very difficult man to love and he’s like a drug addict and he’s addicted to power.
I could quite easily see them breaking up Rumbelle forever either by death or Rumple and Belle just going their separate ways because neither will budge an inch. I just don’t think for whatever reason–they like Dark Rumple more, the don’t see the Rumbelle appeal, they are bad writers–that the writers are invested in this ship at all except as a contrast to other ships. There’s normal and even high fantasy relationship drama. And then there’s Rumbelle."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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