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It would have been great to see Bae/Hook reactions…if Bae had been portrayed decently as an adult. But that didn’t come to be. I still don’t see the brooding, dark little boy in surfer dude Neal at all.
When you say “portrayed decently”, do you mean in terms of acting or writing? I think MRJ did a good job with what he was given, however he suffered the same problem as what EdR had in season 2 and 3 which was lack of screentime. Belle got more screentime in 3B but poor Neal was shafted. His only real presence in 3B was his death episode. It seemed the writers didn’t know what to do with Neal or Belle in season 2 so they would disappear for entire episodes at a time then cameo in another episode just to show the audience they still existed. I’m glad that Belle has actually been given proper screentime and story in 3B. The other characters actually react to her now rather than just ignoring her or trying to use her as a pawn against Rumple.
I do agree that there is a disconnection between Neal and Bae. People do change overtime, however we never got to see that transition from Bae to Neal so it seems like they’re two different characters. Rolandgate was a very OOC moment for Neal. He hates magic, yet he’s suddenly okay using it to get to Neverland? Not only that but he’s willing to use a child for bait? The only reason that Neal’s actions in 315 AREN’T OOC is because Rolandgate was written as being in-character.
A&E had always intended for Bae to be Henry’s dad but they also wrote themselves into a corner because they needed an explanation for why season 1 Emma was the way she was. Unfortunately they more or less laid the blame at Neal’s door. The audience’s first real introduction with Neal was Tallahassee where he didn’t come off in the best light and that was it until Manhattan. That’s 7 episodes where the audience’s first impression of Neal (Betraying Emma, a beloved character) had time to cement itself in the audience’s opinion unchallenged. By the time the writer got round to showing Neal in a better light in the following episodes, for some it was a little too late. Neal was hooked up with Tamara (He didn’t just drop her when Emma came back- which was actually quite honourable of him, shame Tamara wasn’t the genuine article, yet some people saw it as him screwing around with Emma’s feelings once again. Poor Neal was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t).
Hook was quite a divisive character on his introduction. However, the following episodes gave him chance to challenge people’s first impressions of him. He bullied crippled Rumple (Hate him), he’s a cheeky chappy in The Doctor and Tallahassee (Kind of like him), he does other stuff (hate him, like him, hate him, like him), he shoots Belle (Hate him with the fire of a thousand suns, etc). Hook had the chance to change the audience’s perception of him almost every episode he was in. Neal didn’t get that chance.
Hook apologising to Belle was a must do in order to get me to like him. I liked his apology, I’ve seen complaints about it being insincere but I disagree, it was an in-character apology from a character who openly admitted a few episodes before that he doesn’t apologise often. The fact that he did apologise says a lot. I liked that Belle accepted it without rolling over, it showed she wasn’t a push over. Hook isn’t a sappy person therefore a sappy apology wouldn’t suit him. I don’t think his apology was just a show for Emma, Belle called him out in front of people, he probably felt uncomfortable because he knew he was in the wrong with what he did to Belle, and knowing you’re in the wrong in front of people is a very uncomfortable and awkward situation.
3B Hook was a very likeable character. In my favourite character rankings, Hook is now above Snow whereas he used to be very near the bottom of the list, he’s shot up the rankings in terms of favouritism. Hook is now somewhere in the top 10 whereas before he was in the bottom 5.
The “people only like Hook because he’s attractive” argument holds no weight because, whilst he is easy on the eyes, that alone is not enough to make you like a character (also practically all of the male cast members on the show are attractive in some way (Rumple and Hook are constantly voted as the top 2 sexiest, most handsome, etc males on the show). Attractiveness alone is not enough to make you like a character. The best example to use is David and James. Both are played by the reasonably handsome Josh Dallas, yet you don’t hear anyone saying “OMG James is so hot!!! He should’ve been the centre of the show because he’s so attractive.” You mostly hear “James was a bit of a douchebag”. Hook has fans because of his personality which has improved considerably since his introduction.
Some CS fans have claimed that Hook has demonstrated “real love” for Emma because he still stuck by her even when she was verbally abusive to him in 3B. However I disagree with that opinion. 1. Emma hasn’t been verbally abusive towards Hook. She’s been blunt (she has her father’s tact) and whilst it was a bit harsh her saying that Zelena should’ve cursed the lips of someone she actually intended to kiss (Hook was stood right there Emma you could’ve been a bit less blunt on that matter), Emma never set out to deliberately hurt Hook’s feeling or diminish his self-esteem or sense of self-worth. 2. IF Emma had been abusive towards Hook, then why would you route for that sort of relationship for your favourite character? Why wouldn’t you want him to find someone else who treated him with respect and deserved him instead of someone who abused him? An abusive relationship is not “real love”.
I am interested to see how CS progresses next year. They’ve gone past the will they won’t they phase so now the writers need to give CS some actual storylines as a couple. Hopefully we’ll get a new set next year of Emma and Henry’s new apartment, Hook may not live there permanently but he’ll probably have his own toothbrush.
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Keeper of FelixIt would have been great to see Bae/Hook reactions…if Bae had been portrayed decently as an adult. But that didn’t come to be. I still don’t see the brooding, dark little boy in surfer dude Neal at all.
When you say “portrayed decently”, do you mean in terms of acting or writing? I think MRJ did a good job with what he was given, however he suffered the same problem as what EdR had in season 2 and 3 which was lack of screentime. Belle got more screentime in 3B but poor Neal was shafted. His only real presence in 3B was his death episode. It seemed the writers didn’t know what to do with Neal or Belle in season 2 so they would disappear for entire episodes at a time then cameo in another episode just to show the audience they still existed. I’m glad that Belle has actually been given proper screentime and story in 3B. The other characters actually react to her now rather than just ignoring her or trying to use her as a pawn against Rumple.
I do agree that there is a disconnection between Neal and Bae. People do change overtime, however we never got to see that transition from Bae to Neal so it seems like they’re two different characters. Rolandgate was a very OOC moment for Neal. He hates magic, yet he’s suddenly okay using it to get to Neverland? Not only that but he’s willing to use a child for bait? The only reason that Neal’s actions in 315 AREN’T OOC is because Rolandgate was written as being in-character.
A&E had always intended for Bae to be Henry’s dad but they also wrote themselves into a corner because they needed an explanation for why season 1 Emma was the way she was. Unfortunately they more or less laid the blame at Neal’s door. The audience’s first real introduction with Neal was Tallahassee where he didn’t come off in the best light and that was it until Manhattan. That’s 7 episodes where the audience’s first impression of Neal (Betraying Emma, a beloved character) had time to cement itself in the audience’s opinion unchallenged. By the time the writer got round to showing Neal in a better light in the following episodes, for some it was a little too late. Neal was hooked up with Tamara (He didn’t just drop her when Emma came back- which was actually quite honourable of him, shame Tamara wasn’t the genuine article, yet some people saw it as him screwing around with Emma’s feelings once again. Poor Neal was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t).
Hook was quite a divisive character on his introduction. However, the following episodes gave him chance to challenge people’s first impressions of him. He bullied crippled Rumple (Hate him), he’s a cheeky chappy in The Doctor and Tallahassee (Kind of like him), he does other stuff (hate him, like him, hate him, like him), he shoots Belle (Hate him with the fire of a thousand suns, etc). Hook had the chance to change the audience’s perception of him almost every episode he was in. Neal didn’t get that chance.
Hook apologising to Belle was a must do in order to get me to like him. I liked his apology, I’ve seen complaints about it being insincere but I disagree, it was an in-character apology from a character who openly admitted a few episodes before that he doesn’t apologise often. The fact that he did apologise says a lot. I liked that Belle accepted it without rolling over, it showed she wasn’t a push over. Hook isn’t a sappy person therefore a sappy apology wouldn’t suit him. I don’t think his apology was just a show for Emma, Belle called him out in front of people, he probably felt uncomfortable because he knew he was in the wrong with what he did to Belle, and knowing you’re in the wrong in front of people is a very uncomfortable and awkward situation.
3B Hook was a very likeable character. In my favourite character rankings, Hook is now above Snow whereas he used to be very near the bottom of the list, he’s shot up the rankings in terms of favouritism. Hook is now somewhere in the top 10 whereas before he was in the bottom 5.
The “people only like Hook because he’s attractive” argument holds no weight because, whilst he is easy on the eyes, that alone is not enough to make you like a character (also practically all of the male cast members on the show are attractive in some way (Rumple and Hook are constantly voted as the top 2 sexiest, most handsome, etc males on the show). Attractiveness alone is not enough to make you like a character. The best example to use is David and James. Both are played by the reasonably handsome Josh Dallas, yet you don’t hear anyone saying “OMG James is so hot!!! He should’ve been the centre of the show because he’s so attractive.” You mostly hear “James was a bit of a douchebag”. Hook has fans because of his personality which has improved considerably since his introduction.
Some CS fans have claimed that Hook has demonstrated “real love” for Emma because he still stuck by her even when she was verbally abusive to him in 3B. However I disagree with that opinion. 1. Emma hasn’t been verbally abusive towards Hook. She’s been blunt (she has her father’s tact) and whilst it was a bit harsh her saying that Zelena should’ve cursed the lips of someone she actually intended to kiss (Hook was stood right there Emma you could’ve been a bit less blunt on that matter), Emma never set out to deliberately hurt Hook’s feeling or diminish his self-esteem or sense of self-worth. 2. IF Emma had been abusive towards Hook, then why would you route for that sort of relationship for your favourite character? Why wouldn’t you want him to find someone else who treated him with respect and deserved him instead of someone who abused him? An abusive relationship is not “real love”.
I am interested to see how CS progresses next year. They’ve gone past the will they won’t they phase so now the writers need to give CS some actual storylines as a couple. Hopefully we’ll get a new set next year of Emma and Henry’s new apartment, Hook may not live there permanently but he’ll probably have his own toothbrush.
I like your reasoning POM. And no, I can’t say I think Emma was verbally abusive to Hook — she was lashing out but she wasn’t abusive. The reason he stuck around is because he understands her well enough that the crap she’s giving him has little to do with Hook and a lot to do with Emma. Although I’m glad she came to her senses when she did!!
Thanks for the post @Jenna_B for the latest Real Husbands of SB… that was too funny.
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For me, the two grown men didn’t even exist in the same brain cels for Emma. Neal was all past/pain/resentment/anger and Hook was all present/future/avoiding emotions, sass and whacking him on the head (ha)Agree!! Oh, and you and I can hang out in the shallow end together. I’ll bring the drinks
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The CS kiss in the finale was much more romantic and heartfelt than the one in Neverland IMOAgree with this too. The first was all passion and this last one was tender and loving. Plus there were actual happy smiles to go along with the smooching. To think I didn’t believe any kiss could top 305. Boy was I wrong!
Agreements all around… and drinks. Holiday week’s are crazy at my job… i’m all for a little ‘shallow’ myself – taking a break to appreciate all the eye candy my fellow CS shippers are kind enough to post for our viewing pleasure. hehehe
Found this on Eala’s tumblr. She needs to get back here!!!
I don’t have any words……..LMAO – Night at the Roxbury
Found this on Eala’s tumblr. She needs to get back here!!!
I don’t have any words……..http://i-love-you-swan.tumblr.com//quote
LMAO – Night at the Roxbury
Ok, that was hilarious!!!!
@HappyEndings – yeah, it looks like a very similar urn. I’m hoping it is related to Elsa’s urn somehow because I like the idea of Elsa going after Killian, knowing he’s the one who has the other urn and all the other heroes having to come to Killian’s aid. That thought amuses me. 🙂
@callmeLola – Bahahahahahaha!!! Fantastic gif 😀 😀 I do hope the Hook/Hood/Charming bromance gets lots of screentime next season.
Oh I love those RHoS, hee!!
*puts hand up* May I join you in the shallows? I have cookies.
Edit: On the Hook apology to Belle. I think if he tried to be more heartfelt that would have been seen as more insincere. You can tell he doesn’t really want to apologise, but then backs it up with ‘I’ll help, that can be my way of making it up to you’. Actions louder than words. After Neal left Hook at the hospital, Hook went back to the shop to help/protect Belle, which I think shows he actually was sorry for what he did to her, even though hurting her hurts Rumpel, which I’m sure he still has in the back of his mind.
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“When you say “portrayed decently”, do you mean in terms of acting or writing?”
Both, frankly. One perhaps spawned the other.
(as always, just one woman’s opinions!)
A&E didn’t give Neal much character depth from day one, which is not MRJ’s fault. But even so, as charming as he was in appealing to teenaged Emma, I felt he mailed in his performances in Neverland and some of his delivery lines were mediocre at best. Perhaps he already knew the outcome for his character, but I just didn’t see the intensity. Morrison ached her heart out in the Echo Cave and his *I will never give up (sic)…” line afterward was flat , shallow and vividly out of place considering the acting going on around him in those scenes.
I’m not one who thought Neal should have died, and it was a bit of a copout… even though I think his story had become somewhat of a dead end. His highly interesting relationship with the Darlings was dropped like a lukewarm potato. Tamara was a JOKE, and a large part of the possibilities of intriguing Neverland back stories have apparently gone the way of the Dodo bird. Emma was never going to regain her starry eyed love for him even though she generously maintained that she loved him (first loves never die totally in ones heart), but she wished he were dead so as not to remind her of the hideous pain he caused her. Neal would have been a third wheel to Henry behind two very strong mothers and two stellar grandpas. One of which was the extremely charismatic Dark One. The writers hadn’t taken the time to flesh out Neal’s character, yes, but it really had no where to deepen on its own. His departure was given what everyone calls heroic sacrifice, and even though it was *damn the consequences* self-serving, it is acceptable to view him as heroic, because of the feelings we (and Rumple!) all had for Bae…the brave, passionate little boy.
In regards to being out of character with Roland. I didn’t think he was. It fit in well with the rather impetuous adult who we had seen already AND who we would see in his death episode. And he was likeable throughout the whole thing. Hard to dislike, but just…not a super substantial guy. Kind of *beige*
He and Emilie suffered from lack of screen minutes but writers tend to go with the actors who can fill that small screen with big moments.
Hook, even when being a bit of a prick, did everything with a deep level of brooding passion or sincere rapscallion sass. Like him or not, he made/makes his scenes come alive with emotion. He CAUSED/causes attention and emotions on a very high level. That is TV GOLD.
When Hook remained quiet in the face of Emma’s snarkish stoicism, well, that was obviously his choice! It was the long haul he talked about. It was not at all attractive of Emma and made some of us what to kick her in the butt, but Hook was the one taking that attitude. He could have walked if it bothered him that much. He chose to take it. He felt the payoff was worth it. 🙂
Hopefully, yeah, he and Emma can take that (FINALLY) resolved struggle and run with it into some really grand adventures. That hurdle was MASSIVE. But there are more ahead.
I can embrace the *toothbrush* concept to a degree, but I hope Hook maintains his own distinctive hardcore personality separate from Emma. Could be wild fun, even with angst thrown in.
I hope A&E are up to the task.
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