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I think the reason behind Rumple’s wrath towards Milah and Hook was more about Bae than it was about him. He was hurt and angry because she left her son for another man – a pirate- which leds him to become a person who seeks for power and controlled by his hunger for power, he became his worst fear his father who also left his son because of his selfish needs. Eventually Rumple made the same mistake which haunts him for forever. The guilt was unbearable and he knows Milah was also responsible from Bae’s lost. And the wrath and hate he held for her became more and more powerful each day not only because Milah was responsible too but blaming her made it easier to endure the anger and hate he felt towards himself. And Milah who has no love or responsibility towards her son deserves that much hate and anger
[adrotate group="5"]I pointedly sidestepped the very serious, in and of itself, *rape culture* accusations mostly because they had absolutely nothing to do with the rabid hate of Hook (which is where it was mostly used). It was self-righteously spewed to try and denigrate a character (and by association, his fans) because the accusers levying the disgusting claims, were too immature and shallow to admit that their *favorite surfer dude*, Neal, was not, now, and never would be Emma’s lover, let alone her true love. Simple, really.
Desperate denial apparently knows no decent boundaries. The very fact that they were using those repulsive accusations was proof of their own abuse, disrespect and disregard of a serious problem. It is why I have no respect or time for any fans (Neal’s or otherwise) who walk that particularly scummy path and talk that particular repugnant talk.
Rumple and Regina WERE and ARE guilty of much more pointedly *culturized* crimes in that regard and in general. And frankly neither one of those characters has had an easy path to redeeming themselves, as it should be. All the characters seeking some kind of redemption have rightly struggled, including Hook. Viewers can agree or not as to whether those characters’ level of suffering/redemption suits their personal standards, but to throw around disgusting *rape culture* blame and outrageous labels is more a sign of their own ignorance, mean spirit and pettiness than it does give any validation to what they are ranting about.
Milah freely chose to leave her husband and child. Her husband brutally killed her for it, maimed her lover and also abandoned the same child to a hell hole time portal just to keep his ill gotten power. Truly he is a criminal, evil bas*ard, but is constantly given a green light for *true love* with Belle. Go figure.
Regina is guilty of many murders and brutally killed Graham basically for the same reason Rumple murdered Milah. She didn’t want anyone else to have him but her. She was a despicable, emotionally abusive lover to Graham. She too is given a pass so she can find true love with the tattooed thief! Massive problem? Nahhh.
But Hook? He spent 300 years mourning, grieving, plying himself with rum, painfully angry and seeking pointed revenge for the murder of the one woman he loved, then is demonized and accused of every filthy dirty motivation, action and grossly false misogynistic accusation because…? Emma CHOSE not to want anything to do with Neal, the man who basically (oops) fathered a child with her when she was a teenager, taught her how to be a better thief, broke her heart, was a lukewarm lame-ass and never came looking for her after she had spent time in jail, ignored her for ten years, went on with his life and new love relationships and died because of selfish designs to bring his father(whom he abhorred) back from the dead for his own personal gains. You know, Saint True Love Neal.
Right.
Pfffft.
And I didn’t want Neal to die.
***Always in search of a good flock***
I very much agree with the above! I also feel like I’m one of a very small minority that can sympathize with Milah…she wasn’t awful to Rumpel until he wounded himself in order to return from the wars, thus making himself (and therefore Milah by extension) a village pariah because of his cowardice (although personally I can see how his actions required courage in a way as well, but that’s a whole different discussion). His actions made her life miserable, so of course she was angry with him.
And something I think people seem to forget is that the night before Milah left, she asked Rumpel to move somewhere else, where they could start over without his reputation dragging them down. Since he couldn’t even do that for her, she left him for the life she wanted. And then ten years later, he murdered her for it. I wouldn’t necessarily equate that with “rape culture”, but I can see the argument there–he felt that as his wife, he basically owned her and she had no right to make her own decisions. I see it more as murdering her simply because she hurt him, but either way, I think murdering Milah was one of the worst things we’ve seen him do. I mean, he murdered his son’s mother! Yes she had left, but who knows what might have happened if she’d tried to establish a relationship with her son when he was older.
I also take issue with the whole “she’s-evil-because-she-left-her-son” thing. I know I’m looking at it as a modern person and all, but the idea that a woman’s worth is only as great as her ability to have and nurture children really bugs me. I think I’ve said it before on this thread, but would it have been any better for Bae to grow up with a mother who hated and resented his father, and as a result went out drinking every night? I think Milah knew that as much as she’d grown to loathe Rumpel, he still genuinely loved his son and would take good care of him. It wasn’t like Cora leaving Zelena in the middle of the woods—she knew Bae would be taken care of and apparently regretted having had to leave him behind.
So yeah…I don’t necessarily identify with Milah myself (luckily for me!), but I certainly do feel bad for her. Of course, I really like Rumpel as a character too—I just kind of have to forget that he murdered his first wife/mother of his son for having hurt and insulted him, just like I enjoy Regina’s story and have to sort of block out the fact that she once ordered the massacre of an entire village to get on her side.
Whew, long post—now to catch up on the more fun stuff!
Milah freely chose to leave her husband and child. Her husband brutally killed her for it, maimed her lover and also abandoned the same child to a hell hole time portal just to keep his ill gotten power. Truly he is a criminal, evil bas*ard, but is constantly given a green light for *true love* with Belle. Go figure.
I disagree with this. Yes Milah had every right to leave Rumple and Bae, especially as the marriage was an extremely unhappy one. It was the way she did it that was particularly cruel. Rather than leaving a note or telling Rumple she was leaving him, she allowed Rumple to think she was being kidnapped. True, Milah may have intended to just disappear without a trace (not really much better) and it was the neighbour who screwed up her plans and Rumple was never meant to go to Hook’s ship. The fact remains, however, that once Rumple got to the ship, he was deliberately led to believe that Milah was kidnapped and was going to be used as “company” for the ship’s crew. Rumple was then challenged to a duel, one there was no way he would win, and then sent on his way believing he had failed to “save” his wife from her fate when the truth is she didn’t want saving. Why didn’t Milah or Hook set Rumple straight on the ship? Why didn’t they tell him that Milah was leaving him because she wanted to? That would’ve saved a whole lot of heartache for everyone. I don’t blame Rumple for being a little bit pissed to discover that Milah was alive and well after he’d spent years thinking her fate was his fault. He shouldn’t have killed her, but there was more to it than just “she left him so he killed her”.
As for cutting off Hook’s hand, Hook was holding the bean that would’ve potentially enabled Rumple to get to Bae. There’s a saying about never getting between a parent and their cub, Milah and Hook were playing a dangerous game by withholding the bean from Rumple. To be fair to them, they didn’t know why Rumple wanted the bean otherwise they might’ve handed it over.
As for letting Bae go down the portal alone, Rumple regretted it immediately and spent centuries trying to fix his mistake. Also the whole portal scene, as we found out later, was near identical to the time Rumple was abandoned by his father. I don’t blame Rumple for not wanting to go through a similar experience with Bae.
Regina is guilty of many murders and brutally killed Graham basically for the same reason Rumple murdered Milah. She didn’t want anyone else to have him but her. She was a despicable, emotionally abusive lover to Graham. She too is given a pass so she can find true love with the tattooed thief! Massive problem? Nahhh.
I’m not keen on OQ for the reason that it happened far too quickly. Regina had Robin’s face on Wanted posters and he’s not the least bit wary of her? She has a reputation as the “evil queen”, a nickname by her own subjects, and that doesn’t bother him in the slightest? She wasn’t very nice to him during the year in FTL yet he can’t seem to get enough of her? Don’t even get me started on the hypocritical “heroes don’t kill” speech. Regiina has been redeeming herself during season 3A but the leap to her being fully redeemed in 3B because she’s met Robin and she can feel love and feelings deeply WITHOUT her heart is a bit of a leap too far.
But Hook? He spent 300 years mourning, grieving, plying himself with rum, painfully angry and seeking pointed revenge for the murder of the one woman he loved, then is demonized and accused of every filthy dirty motivation, action and grossly false misogynistic accusation because…? Emma CHOSE not to want anything to do with Neal, the man who basically (oops) fathered a child with her when she was a teenager, taught her how to be a better thief, broke her heart, was a lukewarm lame-ass and never came looking for her after she had spent time in jail, ignored her for ten years, went on with his life and new love relationships and died because of selfish designs to bring his father(whom he abhorred) back from the dead for his own personal gains. You know, Saint True Love Neal.
Right.
Pfffft.
And I didn’t want Neal to die.
Hook hasn’t exactly been an angel during his time on the show. He shot Belle and has tried to kill her twice just because he couldn’t hurt Rumple directly. I didn’t mind Hook stabbing Rumple with the dream shade (didn’t like it but it made sense) shooting Belle over the town line so she lost her identity was uncalled for or “bad form” since Belle hadn’t done anything wrong and wasn’t even born when the Milah incident took place.
I like 3B Hook lots (He’s made my list of top 10 favourite characters) but season 2 Hook is one of my least favourite characters.
Neal didn’t abhor Rumple from 309 onwards but I agree Neal’s reasons for bringing Rumple back were less about Rumple himself and more about Neal thought Rumple was his ticket to Henry. Neal had his good moments but realistically he and Emma could never have reunited and stayed together. They’re two different people from how they were when they were together.
I very much agree with the above! I also feel like I’m one of a very small minority that can sympathize with Milah…she wasn’t awful to Rumpel until he wounded himself in order to return from the wars, thus making himself (and therefore Milah by extension) a village pariah because of his cowardice (although personally I can see how his actions required courage in a way as well, but that’s a whole different discussion). His actions made her life miserable, so of course she was angry with him.
Of course Milah was angry with him, but there’s a difference between being angry with someone and telling them that you wish they’d died in the ogre wars in a moment of spitefulness.
And something I think people seem to forget is that the night before Milah left, she asked Rumpel to move somewhere else, where they could start over without his reputation dragging them down. Since he couldn’t even do that for her, she left him for the life she wanted. And then ten years later, he murdered her for it. I wouldn’t necessarily equate that with “rape culture”, but I can see the argument there–he felt that as his wife, he basically owned her and she had no right to make her own decisions. I see it more as murdering her simply because she hurt him, but either way, I think murdering Milah was one of the worst things we’ve seen him do. I mean, he murdered his son’s mother! Yes she had left, but who knows what might have happened if she’d tried to establish a relationship with her son when he was older.
I do wonder whether Rumple told Milah about his father abandoning him. His reluctance of “a fresh start” makes sense when you realise that “a fresh start” was what prompted Malcolm and Rumple to go to Neverland where Malcolm abandoned him. It also makes sense why Rumple crippled himself so Bae wouldn’t grow up without a father. If Milah didn’t know, it would explain why she found it frustrating that Rumple wouldn’t start over when he gave no reason as to why he wouldn’t do it.
Rumple didn’t murder Milah just because she left him, it’s not that black and white, there’s a whole lot of other things behind her murder. He shouldn’t have done it, just saying that there is more to it than she left him.
It was stated that Milah and Hook were planning to come back for Bae when he was older. Now whether this was a genuine plan or just a pipe dream we’ll never know, but this raises a whole host of questions. Was Milah and Hook just planning to waltz in and take Bae from Rumple thus destroying both Bae and Rumple’s life (If it was crippleRumple and they did that, it would’ve been heartbreaking? Would Bae have wanted to go or would they have taken him against his will? Would Dark One Rumple have let them?
I also take issue with the whole “she’s-evil-because-she-left-her-son” thing. I know I’m looking at it as a modern person and all, but the idea that a woman’s worth is only as great as her ability to have and nurture children really bugs me. I think I’ve said it before on this thread, but would it have been any better for Bae to grow up with a mother who hated and resented his father, and as a result went out drinking every night? I think Milah knew that as much as she’d grown to loathe Rumpel, he still genuinely loved his son and would take good care of him. It wasn’t like Cora leaving Zelena in the middle of the woods—she knew Bae would be taken care of and apparently regretted having had to leave him behind.
Milah wasn’t evil but she was a bitch to Rumple during their marriage, let him believe she was going to be kidnapped and raped by Hook’s crew. She wasn’t a nice woman but she wasn’t an evil one. Milah supposedly wanted to come back for Bae and take him with her, question is did she let Rumple do the hard work of raising Bae then expect to just waltz back in and have Bae fall into her arms and then leave Rumple with nothing?
So yeah…I don’t necessarily identify with Milah myself (luckily for me!), but I certainly do feel bad for her. Of course, I really like Rumpel as a character too—I just kind of have to forget that he murdered his first wife/mother of his son for having hurt and insulted him, just like I enjoy Regina’s story and have to sort of block out the fact that she once ordered the massacre of an entire village to get on her side.
Whew, long post—now to catch up on the more fun stuff!
Rumple and Regina are complicated characters.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix“He shouldn’t have killed her”
Yup. PoM…And that was the issue of my comparison. 🙂
I wasn’t judging the specifics of Milah’s morals/actions. I was focusing on Rumple’s action. He murdered her in premeditated cold blood. He gained the power and he murdered her. Rumple is a huge favorite of mine. Milah, uh, no.
He could have killed Hook easily ten times over throughout all the episodes, but his motivation was that he wanted the man to suffer, over and over. Because of Milah… who he murdered. Pretty heinous stuff. (Projection of self hate? For both Rumple and Hook? Another topic!)
There is no saying Hook is, was or ever will be an angel. His obsession with revenge was ugly. He was self-serving and driven. That isn’t my issue. The issue is that other characters had done truly horrid things without being grotesquely vilified and accused of perpetrating hateful and violent acts against women and specifically, Emma. Not because of any of his actual actions, but basically because he was seen as a threat to this imagined, delusional, romantically perfect union of Emma and a shallow, dull guy who was never there for her even when he DID have the time and chances.
In the process, those making the false accusations and *points* were hoping to denigrate, insult and belittle Hook fans…because Neal wasn’t Emma’s choice.
I still call foul. 🙂
(and sadly, as a side effect, they have turned many in the fandom against Neal, just because of their venom)
***Always in search of a good flock***
she also chose to be a complete bitch to Rumple during their marriage. Milah was never the victimised woman. She wasn’t dominated or forced to do things she didn’t want to do by the men in her life.
I actually have to disagree strongly with a few of your statements as they go directly against CANNON fact- it is cannon fact (direct from A&E mouths to the ears of their world wide viewers), that Rumple REFUSED ALL of Milah’s pleas to leave the village/life he had forced them all into with his actions, for a fresh start somewhere else. Rumple adamantly refused her requests time & time again, When we saw Milah ask Rumple again in Crocodile, for them to leave & start afresh again- it was her last attempt at trying to ‘stay’ with him/ keep their family together- I will NEVER accuse her of doing the wrong thing by leaving Rumple like she did- it was a frankly sad, lonely, loveless marriage for her to be stuck in & she has every right as anyone else to live a “happy” life herself. Sure she wasnt ‘abused’ (that we know of), but that doesnt mean her marriage was good or that Rumple was a ‘good’ husband & labeling Milah a “complete bitch” towards Rumple over one action is more than harsh IMO- as that means by your definition, EVERY character on Once is a complete or total b!%@h or B@s$%&d period :/
This doesnt mean I approve of her leaving her young son- because I dont, esp without so much as a good bye or I love you- but I also take into consideration that A&E flat out stated she ‘didnt take Bae with her, as she didnt feel a pirate ship was a ‘safe’ place to raise a child & despite Rumple being a poor/bad (cant remember which exact word they used there) husband, Milah KNEW Rumple was an excellent/loving Father, so she knew Bae would be safe left in his care’.
People need to realise the distinction between being a Bad husband & Bad father- the 2 do not necessarily go hand in hand- Rumple was a BAD husband- that is cannon FACT (whether Rumple fans want to hear it or not), however he was a GOOD father (at that stage, which no one can deny). Rumple put Bae’s needs above his own (as a good father should)- However Rumple put Milah’s needs below his own wants & desires, & that is NOT a sign of a good husband, nor of a healthy or happy marriage :/ I dont understand why people dont get that concept 🙁
I think the reason behind Rumple’s wrath towards Milah and Hook was more about Bae than it was about him. He was hurt and angry because she left her son for another man – a pirate- which leds him to become a person who seeks for power and controlled by his hunger for power, he became his worst fear his father who also left his son because of his selfish needs. Eventually Rumple made the same mistake which haunts him for forever. The guilt was unbearable and he knows Milah was also responsible from Bae’s lost. And the wrath and hate he held for her became more and more powerful each day not only because Milah was responsible too but blaming her made it easier to endure the anger and hate he felt towards himself. And Milah who has no love or responsibility towards her son deserves that much hate and anger
I agree & disagree with you here, I think most of the reason Rumple killed Milah was Rumples own self loathing & quilt over HIS actions in letting Bae go, at the same time as breaking a promise to his son- in the biggest way possible- Rumple’s letting go of Bea had nothing to do with Milah- that is on Rumple IMO.
Then another part of Rumple killing Milah IMO, was How dare she be “Happy” & in love/have it all with someone else, when Rumple has a crusty life & now nothing- not even Bae anymore- Rumple’s Dark One persona took over & he not only murdered her, he maimed Killian as well, just cause he could/wanted to- I see plenty of people bash Hook for shooting Belle, so IMO, they should also be bashing Rumple for maiming Killian (at the very least), if not murdering his ex-wife, or even turning a dude into a bug & squashing/killing him because Bae got knocked into :/ Some fans seem to be very hypocritical when it comes to what is “ok” for Rumple to do.I pointedly sidestepped the very serious, in and of itself, *rape culture* accusations mostly because they had absolutely nothing to do with the rabid hate of Hook (which is where it was mostly used). It was self-righteously spewed to try and denigrate a character (and by association, his fans) because the accusers levying the disgusting claims, were too immature and shallow to admit that their *favorite surfer dude*, Neal, was not, now, and never would be Emma’s lover, let alone her true love. Simple, really.
Desperate denial apparently knows no decent boundaries. The very fact that they were using those repulsive accusations was proof of their own abuse, disrespect and disregard of a serious problem. It is why I have no respect or time for any fans (Neal’s or otherwise) who walk that particularly scummy path and talk that particular repugnant talk.
Rumple and Regina WERE and ARE guilty of much more pointedly *culturized* crimes in that regard and in general. And frankly neither one of those characters has had an easy path to redeeming themselves, as it should be. All the characters seeking some kind of redemption have rightly struggled, including Hook. Viewers can agree or not as to whether those characters’ level of suffering/redemption suits their personal standards, but to throw around disgusting *rape culture* blame and outrageous labels is more a sign of their own ignorance, mean spirit and pettiness than it does give any validation to what they are ranting about.
Milah freely chose to leave her husband and child. Her husband brutally killed her for it, maimed her lover and also abandoned the same child to a hell hole time portal just to keep his ill gotten power. Truly he is a criminal, evil bas*ard, but is constantly given a green light for *true love* with Belle. Go figure.
Regina is guilty of many murders and brutally killed Graham basically for the same reason Rumple murdered Milah. She didn’t want anyone else to have him but her. She was a despicable, emotionally abusive lover to Graham. She too is given a pass so she can find true love with the tattooed thief! Massive problem? Nahhh.
But Hook? He spent 300 years mourning, grieving, plying himself with rum, painfully angry and seeking pointed revenge for the murder of the one woman he loved, then is demonized and accused of every filthy dirty motivation, action and grossly false misogynistic accusation because…? Emma CHOSE not to want anything to do with Neal, the man who basically (oops) fathered a child with her when she was a teenager, taught her how to be a better thief, broke her heart, was a lukewarm lame-ass and never came looking for her after she had spent time in jail, ignored her for ten years, went on with his life and new love relationships and died because of selfish designs to bring his father(whom he abhorred) back from the dead for his own personal gains. You know, Saint True Love Neal.
Right.
Pfffft.
And I didn’t want Neal to die.
Wish I’d read this page 1st now lol- EXACTLY!!!!! Thank you! Gold star for Bo 😀
Here have a shot Rum & some hooky cookies 🙂I’m not going to delve directly into the ‘rape culture’ argument because as stated earlier, I find it utterly ridiculous and, the attempt some have made to compare real life to ficticous television, frankly, insulting to victims of rape and violent crime. But I do like the conversations that have stemmed from it.
In regard to Milah. As a mother, I have HUGE issue with her and her decisions. I realize she was in a loveless marriage. Regardless of whether you agree that Rumple was selfish and kept them in their village or her notion that Rumple was cowardly by running from the Ogre Wars or whatnot, I think everyone can agree their marriage was loveless for both Milah and Rumple. However, that does not mean you leave your child. Even if my child’s father was a perfect father, I could never leave my son, especially without explanation and under false pretense. You fall in love with someone else, fine, leave the child’s father. But I cannot fathom falling in love with someone else and placing that romantic love above the love of my child. So I do and will continue to dislike Milah. The only backstory I would be interested in seeing involving Milah is one that addresses Hook’s feelings toward Milah leaving Bae behind, given that he fell in love with Emma – a woman who will always put her child first, and I believe this is one of the things Hook loves most about Emma.
On the other hand, I don’t have too many problems with Neal. I think a relationship between a 17 year old and 24ish year old – one that resulted in pregnancy no less – is, for lack of a better word, gross. And I still have not been given a sufficient answer as to why Neal had to leave Emma and let her go to jail or ‘bad things would happen’. I doubt I ever will get a satisfying answer to that question, however. But I can appreciate that Neal did seem to turn his life around after that decision, and establish a normal, adult life. And when he found out he had a child, he stepped up and dedicated himself to Henry 100%, as a father should (and unlike Milah did for Bae). I never really saw a love triangle between Emma/Neal/Hook; I saw Neal & Emma come back into each other’s lives and genuinely try to sort through the anger and misconceptions and develop a good friendship for the sake of their child; and Emma moving on romantically with Hook.And…then the killed him off 2 minutes later. That still makes me so angry. I think the writers did a disservice to the fans and actually brought out some of the hate in the fandom needlessly. I still don’t believe killing Neal was ‘story driven’ – I think they had some great ideas for Neal that never really developed well and they found themselves with a character they had no idea how to write for. But the potential was there – I don’t understand why they didn’t continue and really flesh out the Neal/Bae/Rumple storyline, and get Belle involved with it. And I really loved the idea of CaptainFire – I wanted to see Hook and Neal sort their crap out, because I think they could have developed a fantastic friendship that each of them need. And most importantly, THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD EMMA CHOOSE BEFORE NEAL DIED. I think it’s easy for some fans to cry Emma’s only with Hook because Neal’s gone, etc etc because the writers chose not to answer that very heated debate.
So…what was my point again? Oh yeah – ‘rape culture debate’ – ridiculous. Milah – hate her. Neal – don’t hate him. Writers – y’all messed up a little with the Neal/Hook/Emma stuff but I’m willing to forgive thanks to our wonderful CS movie. Now, keep going A&E – and don’t screw it up with shiny ‘Frozen’ toys!!
I very much agree with the above! I also feel like I’m one of a very small minority that can sympathize with Milah…she wasn’t awful to Rumpel until he wounded himself in order to return from the wars, thus making himself (and therefore Milah by extension) a village pariah because of his cowardice (although personally I can see how his actions required courage in a way as well, but that’s a whole different discussion). His actions made her life miserable, so of course she was angry with him.
And something I think people seem to forget is that the night before Milah left, she asked Rumpel to move somewhere else, where they could start over without his reputation dragging them down. Since he couldn’t even do that for her, she left him for the life she wanted. And then ten years later, he murdered her for it. I wouldn’t necessarily equate that with “rape culture”, but I can see the argument there–he felt that as his wife, he basically owned her and she had no right to make her own decisions. I see it more as murdering her simply because she hurt him, but either way, I think murdering Milah was one of the worst things we’ve seen him do. I mean, he murdered his son’s mother! Yes she had left, but who knows what might have happened if she’d tried to establish a relationship with her son when he was older.
I also take issue with the whole “she’s-evil-because-she-left-her-son” thing. I know I’m looking at it as a modern person and all, but the idea that a woman’s worth is only as great as her ability to have and nurture children really bugs me. I think I’ve said it before on this thread, but would it have been any better for Bae to grow up with a mother who hated and resented his father, and as a result went out drinking every night? I think Milah knew that as much as she’d grown to loathe Rumpel, he still genuinely loved his son and would take good care of him. It wasn’t like Cora leaving Zelena in the middle of the woods—she knew Bae would be taken care of and apparently regretted having had to leave him behind.
So yeah…I don’t necessarily identify with Milah myself (luckily for me!), but I certainly do feel bad for her. Of course, I really like Rumpel as a character too—I just kind of have to forget that he murdered his first wife/mother of his son for having hurt and insulted him, just like I enjoy Regina’s story and have to sort of block out the fact that she once ordered the massacre of an entire village to get on her side.
Whew, long post—now to catch up on the more fun stuff!
Another great post- Rum & cookies for you too 🙂 (Glad I’m not the only one who actually listened to A&E when they explained Milah’s actions & her situation- seemed like I was for a while there lol 😉 )
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