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Another great post- Rum & cookies for you too
(Glad I’m not the only one who actually listened to A&E when they explained Milah’s actions & her situation- seemed like I was for a while there lol 
)I guess there are at least a couple of us? Hehe. But yeah, I think that everyone is quick to hate Milah because they love Rumpel (and I do too, he’s a great character), but she certainly had good reason for at least some of her actions, even if those justifications wouldn’t have been deemed valid in that particular time period. And it wasn’t as though she didn’t try to stick it out–she tried for four years after Rumpel came home from the ogre wars, and she would’ve stayed if he’d just agreed that the three of them could leave the village, but he refused. Of course, I do agree that there really wasn’t any excuse for her having left the way she did. But then there was certainly no excuse for his murdering her either.
And thanks! Now that strawberries are in season I could totally put that rum in a nice daiquiri…
[adrotate group="5"]Count me in as someone who can empathize with Milah. I wouldn’t have made the choices she did but I understand her and feel that fandom has generally been unfair to her and way too forgiving of Rumple.
Rumple killed Milah and maimed Hook because he wanted to, because he wanted to punish Milah for leaving him and Hook because Milah loved Hook and not him. Rumple crushed Milah’s heart after she told Hook she loved him. He acted in a jealous rage. It wasn’t to get the bean. Milah offered Rumple the bean in exchange for an amicable separation. If Rumple cared more about getting to Bae than punishing Milah, he would have said they had a deal and been done with it. Instead, Rumple acted like he had a deal so that he could get close to the bean but never actually said he did. Just like he never agreed not to hurt Zelena with Belle when he proposed. For me Rumple was always intent on punishing them. He probably was planning on killing Hook but Milah told him the truth and he couldn’t handle it.
Warning! The following is a long winded defense of Milah. It may anger some but I think it needs to be said.
Rumple and Milah’s marriage was loveless on the part of both parties. We never saw Rumple take Milah’s needs, welfare or happiness into account. He didn’t truly love her. If he did, he would have wanted and would have worked to give her a better life. Rumple always got his way. He was the one that decided that he would go to war; he was the one that decided to doom his family to outcast status, he was the one that decided that they would stay in a town where they had no hope for a better life, and because he maimed himself that left Milah to do all the hard back breaking work. She was probably the one that had to fetch the water (water weighs a lot and would have to be carried some distance in a pre-plumbing area) and do any other difficult physical labor. She probably had to be the one to bargain with the other families to sell whatever she and Rumple had to provide, no one was going to deal with the coward himself. She probably had to bargain hard and get very little of the worth of what they did because of the status Rumple chose for his family. Make no mistake Rumple chose the status of his family. He was an anchor around her neck. She had to do everything herself and got no support from anyone only ridicule. So she lashed out verbally at him. I don’t have a problem with that. I understand it. The better option was to leave him and take Bae with her, but it looks like that option might not have been available in the EF. The only thing left to her was to become: an alcoholic harpy (who probably would have killed herself or Rumple over time) or leave Rumple. Rumple wasn’t a partner to Milah; he made bad decisions and didn’t try to rectify the situation. He expected Milah to meekly accept these decisions. I don’t blame Milah for being angry. She has every right to be. I don’t blame her for verbally lashing out at Rumple. It’s weird to me how for many its ok for Rumple to physically lash out at anyone who made his life difficult, but somehow it is so much worse that anyone would taunt Rumple. It’s not. Nothing Milah did in any way justified or even approached in magnitude murdering Milah. As far as I am concerned, Rumple bears the lion share of the blame for the failure of his marriage. I would say 80%.
My sister had a friend in high school, who was smart and creative. Her father became a drug addict. They lived in a nice house but over time, every nice thing they had was gone because the father went through the money, the retirement accounts, the savings, college funds, the furniture, everything, leaving the family NOTHING. He was an anchor drowning his family, just like Rumple was doing to Milah. Even worse, Rumple being the manipulative little sneak probably was passive aggressive and probably tried to guilt Milah for treating him bad because he crippled himself. Dude would not and does not get any sympathy from me because he crippled himself, just like the father abused drugs.
The only thing Milah did that was wrong was leaving Bae, but even then she left him with a loving parent, whereas Rumple basically abandoned Bae to an unknown world. What he did was worse. I actually don’t find Rumple’s childhood as an excuse for any of his actions. Malcolm left Rumple with two kindly women who cared about Rumple before Malcolm became twisted Pan.
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@surayya, Did A&E say that about Rumple refusing Milah’s requests for a fresh start elsewhere before or after 308? Rumple probably did refuse Milah’s requests to move else where without saying why, which was probably frustrating to Milah, but he had his reasons.
It would be interesting to see more flashbacks of the Rumple/Milah marriage and also flashbacks of Milah/Hook. We’ve not really seen much of Milah beyond the two episodes she’s in and the audience were predispositioned not to like her because the first time we saw her, she wasn’t being kind to crippleRumple who the audience already had sympathy with because of what we saw in season 1.
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Keeper of FelixOf course Milah was angry with him, but there’s a difference between being angry with someone and telling them that you wish they’d died in the ogre wars in a moment of spitefulness.
Now see I actually equate that with Emma’s “I wish it had been a joke & you were really dead” line to Neal- lets be honest if you are hurting & blurt out the truth of a matter- 9 times out of 10- it doesnt come out the way you normally would say it if you could think about it 1st (ie. it tends to come from a very emotional place- not a rational one).
In Emma’s situation, she didnt want to hurt Neal, but she had to tell him the truth- so she did it as ‘lightly’ as possible. In Milah’s situation, she wanted to lash out at Rumple (I guess to make him feel some of the pain he was causing her) the only way she could- with words, because intended or not- he had deeply hurt her by destroying her (If Henry’s intentions end up hurting his loved ones- I WILL SCREAM! lol).I do wonder whether Rumple told Milah about his father abandoning him. His reluctance of “a fresh start” makes sense when you realise that “a fresh start” was what prompted Malcolm and Rumple to go to Neverland where Malcolm abandoned him. It also makes sense why Rumple crippled himself so Bae wouldn’t grow up without a father. If Milah didn’t know, it would explain why she found it frustrating that Rumple wouldn’t start over when he gave no reason as to why he wouldn’t do it.
Rumple didn’t murder Milah just because she left him, it’s not that black and white, there’s a whole lot of other things behind her murder. He shouldn’t have done it, just saying that there is more to it than she left him.
I doubt he did tell her, otherwise her leaving makes no sense in the context A&E have laid out for us.
I totally agree with your 2nd point- pretty much nothing on the show is black & white 😉Rumple and Regina are complicated characters.
lololol Think we could all agree that that is almost an understatement when it comes to those 2 lol :p 😉
Heading for the airport soon, so hopefully I have some downtime later to continue the discussion. Enjoying it!
It’s pretty clear that many of the secondary characters are as complicated as the main ones! Especially the ones, like Milah, who drive a large part of the future motivations of the rest of the characters. Yeah, absolutely, PoM, I agree in hoping that at some point we do get more visits to their histories.
@sweetgrass Defense of Milah doesn’t anger me at all. I think her actions were driven by deep seeded, understandable unhappiness. I don’t warm to her because she left her son (and for some gut reason I didn’t connect with the actress’ portrayal which has nothing to do with the actual story!)I do think, though, that she and Rumple did love each other at first. She stuck it out with him for years.
As a side comment from Killian’s point of view~While he nursed his pervasive anger and grief over his shattered beliefs and losing Liam, he was most likely dumbstruck that an everyday tavern “rum and dice”flirtation with a frustrated wife would lead to a deep love. The man, when he loves something, certainly wraps his entire soul around it!
@surayya I totally see the parallel of Emma’s “truth” to Neal and Milah’s cruel comments to Rumple as well. Comes from a deeply painful place.How ironic that both of them were influenced at the time by the presence of Killian in their lives. (Small smile but it really isn’t surprising)
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Count me in as someone who can empathize with Milah. I wouldn’t have made the choices she did but I understand her and feel that fandom has generally been unfair to her and way too forgiving of Rumple.
Aww, welcome to our small & select club Sweetgrass 😉
Rumple killed Milah and maimed Hook because he wanted to, because he wanted to punish Milah for leaving him and Hook because Milah loved Hook and not him. Rumple crushed Milah’s heart after she told Hook she loved him. He acted in a jealous rage. It wasn’t to get the bean. Milah offered Rumple the bean in exchange for an amicable separation. If Rumple cared more about getting to Bae than punishing Milah, he would have said they had a deal and been done with it. Instead, Rumple acted like he had a deal so that he could get close to the bean but never actually said he did. Just like he never agreed not to hurt Zelena with Belle when he proposed. For me Rumple was always intent on punishing them. He probably was planning on killing Hook but Milah told him the truth and he couldn’t handle it.
THIS! Exactly! This is the exact point that Rumple defenders over look or gloss/skip over in their defense of him & flaming of Milah & Hook.
The rest of your post also deserves Rum & hooky cookies 😉
The only thing Milah did that was wrong was leaving Bae, but even then she left him with a loving parent, whereas Rumple basically abandoned Bae to an unknown world. What he did was worse. I actually don’t find Rumple’s childhood as an excuse for any of his actions. Malcolm left Rumple with two kindly women who cared about Rumple before Malcolm became twisted Pan.
Agreed.
I can understand how Rumple’s childhood could affect his decision making process as an adult, but lets be honest, adults cant keep blaming everyone but themselves, for their poor life choices.
Yes Rumple’s father was a grade A douche bag, but 1) He left Rumple in the care of some LOVING spinsters, 2) Said spinsters did all they could to give Rumple a “happy,” “loving” home & childhood 3) Rumple chose to go back to those same spinsters AFTER his father abandoned him & be raised by them 4) Said spinsters gave Rumple the ability to better his prospects & have a good future.
So it’s not like Rumple’s childhood was “horrible”, nor does it seem like Rumple Never had any “good” examples to learn from or follow.
There comes a time where as an adult, one has to either “choose” to take responsibility over ones own life, or “choose” to live as a victim, blame everyone else for ones problems, therefore sucking the life out of those around you- since they are expected to make things ‘ok’ for one- right up until eventually everyone is driven away or leaves (which to be honest is EXACTLY what Rumple did- I dont blame either Milah or Bae for ditching someone whom chose to be such a septic & toxic person).It’s funny how people over look Rumple being ‘brave’ enough to want to & be proud to go into battle, to protect his family, his kingdom & to Remove the stigma, he himself STILL carried from his own fathers shady dealings, so it’s not like Rumple didnt know FULL WELL what he was doing by injuring himself- he knew FULL well he would be condemning his family by going through with it, yet he chose to do so anyway.
So yes, while I agree that Rumple as an adult, with a family to support, shouldnt be using his father abandoning him as an excuse or a pass for his treatment of Milah’s & his son’s needs, prospects & desires, I do think it is understandable- in his mind- why he injured himself- not that I condone what he did in anyway shape or form, but I do ‘get’ why he chose to do it- he didnt want to Bae to grow up father-less (& that is the one thing Rumple wanted- his father)- Of course, that doesnt take context into consideration- Rumple’s not having a father, due to said father being a manipulative, lair whom chose eternal youth over his son, as opposed to Rumple possibly dying in battle, fighting to keep his kingdom & son ‘safe’ from ogres, it’s not like Rumple would have been abandoning Bae for his own selfish desires & leaving Bae feeling as if he wasnt worthy of being loved by his father- dying a hero in battle is hardly ‘abandoning or emotionally abusing’ your child & if anything it would have maintained his families standing with-in the community & ensured Bae a better standard of living.@surayya, Did A&E say that about Rumple refusing Milah’s requests for a fresh start elsewhere before or after 308? Rumple probably did refuse Milah’s requests to move else where without saying why, which was probably frustrating to Milah, but he had his reasons.
They point blank laid it out for everyone in one of the specials (A&E outright stated on screen that Milah had asked (or begged) many times to move & what we saw in crocodile was her last attemptto convince him, which he shot down & thats when she decided to leave, as she knew this was her chance to escape the life he had forced her into… I doubt she would have ever agreed to marry & bear the children of the village coward).
I have all the specials stored on my external HD, so will hunt them out & track down exactly what they said, but I’ve already paraphrased (as couldnt remember if my wording was ‘exactly’ as they laid it out, in order to be direct quoting) what they said on the matter.I know he had his reasons- but she didnt know that (at least A&E never said she did know his back story- probably because A&E didnt actually know the exact details of his back story until 3A LOL :p ) & it’s hardly her fault Rumple refused to move & give their family a chance to flourish again, just as it is hardly Rumples fault for thinking Milah was being abducted against her will- he didnt tell her why he wouldnt move & start over for the sake of their family, she didnt tell him she was leaving if he wouldnt allow them ALL to move on & start afresh.
Both were selfish in their own ways, as both took the ‘easiest’ option out for themselves- Milah however did NOT choose to murder Rumple out of spite, yet he choose to murder her out of it.
It is also one of those situations that is no win for the character, Milah was damned if she did, damned if she didnt- just like many other characters have been- no matter which choice a character makes in those situations, they’ll inevitably tick of a decent section of the fandom as a result 😉It would be interesting to see more flashbacks of the Rumple/Milah marriage and also flashbacks of Milah/Hook. We’ve not really seen much of Milah beyond the two episodes she’s in and the audience were predispositioned not to like her because the first time we saw her, she wasn’t being kind to crippleRumple who the audience already had sympathy with because of what we saw in season 1.
It would be interesting to see those flash backs, yes- I seriously doubt we’ll get any though 🙁 , which is a shame, as it could be a great way to ‘grow’ at least 2 of our main characters directly & ALL the other mains indirectly, through their connections with either Emma or Belle.
I guess thats where I’m different & maybe thats where those of us that can understand Milah’s actions (even if none of us would ‘chose’ to do ditch a child while doing so), differ from those that cant- I’m not a great Rumple fan & tbh I never have been (not sure if the others are the same or not)- I dont hate Rumple at all, I can just take or leave him- although he does tend to drive me INSANE, making the same mistakes repeatedly lol. So I’m not emotionally attached to Rumple in such away that way that I cant see the wood for the trees in this situation 😉
Maybe that’s why I dont like Rumple more- to much risk of the character doing something I just cant fundamentally accept as being acceptable & be comfortable sweeping under the rug. Ie. I accept Charming & Snowing etc. Killing in battle to protect themselves & their kingdom etc. I cant accept Rumple & Regina’s murder of innocent people- just to further their own means- although Regina hasnt killed anyone recently, so she has grown on me considerably & now ranks as one of my top 5 characters (girlfriend better not make me regret this new found fondness in S4 lol :p ).As a side comment from Killian’s point of view~While he nursed his pervasive anger and grief over his shattered beliefs and losing Liam, he was most likely dumbstruck that an everyday tavern “rum and dice”flirtation with a frustrated wife would lead to a deep love. The man, when he loves something, certainly wraps his entire soul around it!
Yep & as A&E said, Killian may have been a selfish pirate, but he also had a code of honor he followed. S it makes perfect sense that he’d accept Milah’s request for his protection & help in escaping from Rumple (whom it is cannon fact, wasnt a good husband & by the looks he isnt off to a good start in making Belle a good husband either :/ ), his code of honor would have demanded it. There is no way he’d fight an unarmed man, he already felt that (I’m sure from being a Royal Navy man), if a man is unwilling to fight for what he wants, he doesnt deserve to have it. I’m sure he would have been attracted to Milah from the get go- for whatever reason & it is clear/cannon they grew to love each other, it’s also clear that once Killian loves someone, he’s ALL in- even if he hasn’t be introduced to his lover’s family (ie. he was ready & willing to give it all up to be a family with Bae, who is no blood relation of his, despite only laying eyes on him once in pub 10-15 odd years earlier).
Love how you worded that last line- “warps his entire soul around it” sums it up perfectly 🙂LOL- Killy won EW’s ‘funniest moment in a drama’ (Once took out all 5 it was nominated in) 😉
Funniest Moment in a Drama
Hook gets jealous of his past self and punches him(self) in the face, Once Upon a Time, 60.2%
2. Red eats peaches while holding the Russian ambassador’s dog, The Blacklist, 10.9%
3. Jackie and Veronica bake and get drunk at Alicia’s apartment, The Good Wife, 9.7%
4. Juliette asks Rayna to hold her hair when she gets sick after showing up drunk at a benefit for a sober living facility, Nashville, 9.4%
5. Marshal Tim Gutterson deadpans to villain Darryl Crowe Jr., ”This may as well be a slow night in the champagne room for how comfortably erect I’m gonna be watching your bitch ass squirm about” while tailing him, Justified, 5.2%
6. Philip quips, ”If she said one more thing about nonviolent resistance, I was gonna punch her in the face,” The Americans, 4.5%
Difference between first and second: 20,325 voteshttp://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20593459_20820828,00.html#30163613
Hook/Killy also took out tvfanatic’s Report card ‘Best character’
BEST CHARACTER: Captain Hook. The pirate turned out to be a hero in disguise. Killian not only stood by Emma’s side in Neverland while she fought to save her son, he even sacrificed his ship, the Jolly Roger to bring her back from New York City to save her family. Despite all the challenges and Emma’s snarky refusals, this bad boy never gave up hope and turned out to have a heart of gold
CS tied 1st as ‘Best couple’
BEST COUPLE: How can you pick one when the show has three such amazing couples? Snow and Charming now share one heart, Emma finally sees Hook’s devotion to her, and although Regina’s heart is broken with the return of Marian, we have hope that somehow she and Robin will end up together once again. We simply can’t choose a favorite so we’re calling it a three way tie.
CS took out ‘Best Kiss’
BEST KISS: Emma and Hook. When Emma finally kissed Hook after realizing he’d given up his ship for her and never said a word, we cheered. It was a long time coming and that makeout session was exactly what fans had been waiting to see all season. We hope to see plenty more of Captain Swan in Once Upon a Time 4.
http://www.tvfanatic.com/2014/05/once-upon-a-time-season-3-report-card-grade-it/
EW: “And also led nicely to the end- the kiss between Hook and Emma, which I may have rewound multiple times…Tell me just about that kiss as well, it was a great one.”
Eddy: “Well for us we just, you know, we thought this was the culmination of two years of his wooing, and…those two actors just went for it on the set. You know it was really like-we just wrote that and they just kind of-you know..I think that’s just two years of character buildup there.”
http://emmasjones.tumblr.com/post/87125869871/captainswanouat-ew-and-also-led-nicely-to
It would be interesting to see those flash backs, yes- I seriously doubt we’ll get any though 🙁 , which is a shame, as it could be a great way to ‘grow’ at least 2 of our main characters directly & ALL the other mains indirectly, through their connections with either Emma or Belle.
Yeah, I’d love to see that too, but I also don’t think it’ll happen. We pretty much know those backstories now, so I don’t see that contributing any more to the narrative. Unless maybe Belle finds out what Rumpel’s been up to and gets really mad at him and he remembers Milah being really angry at him before she left or something. But of course they only have so much time each week, and I imagine we’ll be getting a lot of Elsa flashbacks in the near future too. Although heck, maybe Milah is Elsa’s second cousin once removed or her bastard half-sister or something, haha.
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