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There’s rarely logic involved when it comes to hate. You’re right about the fan pandering too.
Everyone wants to see their favorites. I remember after Quiet Minds aired seeing a petition to bring back Neal and I didn’t want to say it then, but putting that kind if thing out there is the definition of fan service. Because Adam and Eddie would be catering to Neal and SwanFire fans which would be hypocritical when most consider Captain Swan fan service.
But a case could be made that rumbelle is fan service as well because Emilie when she debuted, was probably only meant to be a one time appearance. But the fans loved her interpretation of Belle and rumbelle exploded over night.
We seriously got lucky that Americana was not picked up. If it was, rumbelle wouldn’t be what it is. Adam and Eddie definatly catered to the fans when it came to rumbelle (in the beginning).
[adrotate group="5"]Lol, accepted ellemo 😉
LOVE the pic KJ!!!!
Absolutely & 100% agree with you both Epona & Obisgirl 🙂
Now I have to figure out how to turn off email notifications for certain tweets, as the haters are commenting on stuff I’m tagged in- bit sick of IHateHook, SwanQueen4Eva, NealEmma4Eva crap being emailed to me *sigh*.
@obisgirl, I think Emilie was always intended to be a more than one time appearance especially as Skin Deep showed Belle to still be alive at the end. But it was fortunate for us that Emilie’s show didn’t get picked up and she became a regular on Once instead! 🙂
The hate Hook is getting at the moment is completely unjustified especially as in 3B he hardly put a foot wrong (Not counting the Henry thing- Hook had the best of intentions on that front but he should’ve let either Snowing, Emma or Regina know what he was doing)
The sad thing is all the hate and venom that has spilled out because of Neal’s death has now started having a bad effect on Neal’s character. Similar to the time where every time Colin wasn’t seen on set, it was such an obvious sign that Hook was about to be imminently killed off :eyeroll: that it made you kind of dislike Hook and wish he’d be killed off so you don’t have to keep hearing that he’s going to die! All this hate for Hook and calls of “CS is only happening because Neal is dead”, “Neal was killed off so CS can happen” etc is so frustrating that it is starting to make me not care for Neal because his death has brought so much hassle and not in the good way.
When I first read that Neal died, my first reaction was relief that the death wasn’t Belle then sadness that it was Neal. (I didn’t want anybody to die, when the death spoiler first came out, I wouldn’t have minded if the death was Hook, but then Hook grew on me in 3B so I would’ve been sad to see him go).
Some fans can be so overwhelmingly passionate in their love/hate for a character that their reaction can cause an opposite effect in the feeling toward that character.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI agree with you PoM. It is more than frustrating. I will take it a step further. There is overwhelming passion and then there is belligerent ignorance and focused meanness. The passion for a fictional character has now turned into a joy-sucking passion for ugliness. I’m glad Neal is gone and hope his character doesn’t come back in any way. It would be pointless to the story, a downer and giant step backward for the series.( It wouldn’t matter how he was mentioned, either, it would never be enough for the Saint Neal Brigades) He never bothered me before a faction of his fans became so adamantly anti-ONCE. Now any mention of him would leave a decidedly bad taste in my mouth because of his *fans*. They have brought some pretty heavy duty dislike for Neal to the fandom. All on their own doing.
Now, the continuing “Hook/writers/creators/ONCE” hate in certain small, but vocal fan pockets and the delusional clinging to the claims that everything on the show should/would/could have been 100% Neal centric is bringing the Internet reputation of the Neal fandom on some social media/message boards down to a shallow and definitely immature level.
(Frankly, having given a very wide berth to Neal fans after 3-15, to give them time to grieve and be respectful, the Hook, CS fans on this forum in particular went out of their way to avoid conflict or commentary that would further hurt Neal fans. The respect has not been equally returned, even with solidification of Hook and Emma being a true love couple.)
Ah well, they can knock themselves out all across the Internet boards/chats. In the larger scheme of things, the overall fandom won’t care about them. They are nothing more than a temporary blip on the screen.
On a fun “looking forward” with positivity, has anyone checked out the Storybrooke Live site that will be interactive starting in July? http://www.storybrookelive.com/
***Always in search of a good flock***
What I don’t understand with these Neal fans, is if they’re still miserable watching the show- why are they still watching?
I would never force myself to watch something I’m not happy watching. Although, even the writer in me wants to know how the story ends.
I go back to the Buffy example. I watched the series from beginning to end. I never missed an episode. There were hit or miss episodes, things I wish didn’t happen but it didn’t stop my enjoyment watching. I still love the series.
(Frankly, having given a very wide berth to Neal fans after 3-15, to give them time to grieve and be respectful, the Hook, CS fans on this forum in particular went out of their way to avoid conflict or commentary that would further hurt Neal fans. The respect has not been equally returned, even with solidification of Hook and Emma being a true love couple.)
EXACTLY!!!!
What I don’t understand with these Neal fans, is if they’re still miserable watching the show- why are they still watching?
I would never force myself to watch something I’m not happy watching.The fact remains that this show is Adam and Eddy’s brainchild and they can do whatever they want. If you’re not happy, feel free to tune out but don’t bring the rest of the fandom down with your nonsense. Tweeting “stoponceuponahook” to Adam was immature and an example of the very definition of “fan pandering”. A lot of fans are happy with the way the story stands.
That said, I’m sure there are going to be some negative questions asked at SDCC, either about Neal, SQ or even the rape culture argument. My hope is that Jane Espenson or one of the other female writers will be present to answer because God knows Adam and Eddy are going to get the brunt of the nastiness, and Jane manages to shut argumentative people down quite effectively.
It occurred to me earlier that SwanFire was never the main part of Bae’s story. It was just a way to tie all the characters together i.e. Emma and Snowing were connected so why not have Emma’s son be adopted by Regina and have his dad be the son of Rumple.
Bae’s story was always about Rumple, not Emma. His flashbacks were focussed around the Rumple/Bae story not the Emma/Neal story. EMMA’S flashbacks were the SwanFire story. If it was decided between seasons to kill off Neal (whether it be between 2&3 or 3A&3B) then having Bae forgive Rumple and the two reunite would be the big crescendo.
I get the feeling the writers weren’t quite sure what to do with Neal after he and Rumple had reunited. It would’ve been nice to see the family moments of the Floof family but the writers don’t like to give us too many happy moments, there’s always drama waiting round the corner.
Neal didn’t really have a lot to do in 3B beyond 315. His missing year scenes basically consisted of walking whilst talking with the exception of 315, that one scene in Kansas, and that one scene in the finale (which were lovely scenes of him). Neal wasn’t exactly front and centre in Neverland either. Neal was basically non-existant during 3B (Belle had the same problem in season 2 from 213-218. She’d appear for a scene or two in one episode to remind the audience she’s there but would disappear for the next two or three episodes until Lacey). I think Neal went the way of Ruby where the writers didn’t have room to fit him into the story, however, unlike Ruby who could disappear and have her whereabouts handwaved, storywise there was no valid reason why Neal wouldn’t be there for Henry.
So when Adam said that’s Neal’s death was story driven, what he could’ve meant was that they didn’t know what to do with Neal since he had reunited with Rumple, so unless they just had him “there” with nothing to really do (which would have been a waste of MRJ’s talent and unfair to him), Neal’s death was the only way to go as it would a) provide further motivations for the other characters b) It would be a good reason for why Neal wasn’t around when there would be no valid reason why Neal wouldn’t be with Henry if he was alive c) It frees MRJ up to pursue other project that provide more of an artistic challenge rather than just standing around and doing nothing in a scene.
The radio silence on Twitter from the cast about MRJ’s departure might not mean there was anything untoward going on. The death spoiler has been a very touchy subject for fans since the awful winter hiatus (during which Michael Coleman (Happy) was set upon by SQ fans) so it’s likely the cast were laying low until some of the emotionality of Neal’s death had died down a bit since they would’ve been beset with questions from angry fans. The cast would’ve wished MRJ well in person before he left.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix@POM, I agree wholeheartedly with your last post. That’s exactly what Neal was – part of Rumple’s story. When Neal is shown through Emma’s flashbacks there is what? one or two scenes that don’t ultimately lead up to a bad ending? Even the scene in the finale – very well done, and I thought lovely – until I saw a tweet of MRJ’s saying the glove bit was a throwback to the film “On the Waterfront” and it was explained that the character MRJ was mirroring was manipulative. Now, if MRJ put that in there, in the final SF scene of 3B, on purpose, that makes the scene quite interesting – and take on different meaning…and not positive meaning when it comes to Emma. And by the time I saw that tweet, the more vocal/hating Neal/SF fans had already made me sour – so instead of reading it and thinking ‘but Neal wasn’t manipulative,’ I couldn’t help but think ‘hmmm…now his getting engaged to Tamara and not going to Storybrooke after the curse was broken and pretty much moving on completely makes a LOT more sense.’ Ultimately, the septic fans themselves are the ones who changed my mind when it came to the character of Neal. And I say that as someone who is still pretty PO’d myself about the death. I think there was a lot more they could do with the Rumple/Bae storyline, and it would have been nice to see Henry being able to bond with his biological father finally, and to see Emma and Neal effectively co-parent Henry.
But you have to move on. This is an ensemble cast and deals with fantasy storylines. EVERYONE’S favorites could be on the chopping block theoretically. Every character is expendable – especially the larger the ensemble and OUAT has one of the largest casts there is. This is not Castle, for example, where there are 5ish leads and one main ship. Plot holes and retcons and deaths – sensical or nonsensical – are to be expected. If you can’t handle watching because you weren’t ready for your favorite ensemble character to die/go away/get less screen time/not end up with the character you wanted them with – you have the option to stop watching. For me, it’s far more fun to let go of any issues I may have, and sit back and enjoy. If I get upset or bored with it, then I’ll just tune out. But it would never occur to me to harass the writers/actors, or have a giant ‘public’ stink for the world to see.
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