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Anyway, after Neal die, there was a twitter photo of the cast laughing while filming the funeral and she was angry that anyone would laugh or enjoy their job because Neal had died. She felt it was disrespectful to Neal and his fans. Another poster set her straight — No one really died. Neal is a fictional character and expecting the other actors to mourn a fictional character in real life was not reasonable expectation. A lot of poster upvoted the response.
I know exactly what photo too; that was the traveling jersey wasn’t it? Because that would have been the time they were filming the funeral scene.
I can recall only one time I cried over a character death and it always happens watching the same episode. “The Body” from Buffy: The Vampire Slayer. Curtain points hit me the hardest but I think it’s everyone’s performance in the episode, which is just spectacular.
But seriously though, the actor, MRJ is still around. He didn’t die; only his character. Quiet Minds was an emotional episode, I get that but it’s not like we’ll never see the actor again. Adam and Eddie like to get back Jamie Dornan when he is available (and they wanted him to appear in the finale; I suspect probably filling Red’s role in the EF).
If SF actually paid attention to where the story was going instead of watching the show in denial mode, there would probably be fewer problems now.
I’ve been listening to Let’s Talk TV and I love the host but she was so off when it came to Hook’s characterization. She said that she thought Hook would revert to his old ways and take Emma forcefully and I just laughed.
Sorry folks but Killian isn’t a villain anymore; now, we have the villain of the season. Notice how he’s the only one in the finale who didn’t have his happy ending taken away, or who’s happy ending was jaded? Gold has his big fat lie to deal with and Marian came back, putting the brakes on Outlaw Queen going forward.
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thank you K.J. !
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Can someone explain the glove reference to Waterfront? I am unfamiliar with the movie so I don’t understand it’s relevance.
I saw something about awhile ago on tumblr. I think it was, that he wasn’t being honest with Emma, he was pulling a fast one on her. And he wasn’t because she still doesn’t know everything about him. We know Neal’s from EF and we know Emma is too but how hard is it to explain it was a tough family situation or more about his parents without revealing the EF thing? Young Bae picked up drawing from his mother, Milah. How hard would it be to say to Emma, ‘I like drawing,’ Drawing isn’t place specific. I took drawing one and two in college and I’m not from the EF.
I think Neal was putting on the glove and taking it off in the same scene, which was odd.
I totally agree that Neal’s biggest importance was to Rumple’s story. We met Baelfire first before we met Neal; SwanThief/SwanFire started much later. The romance honestly, I always viewed as a secondary story; we learned more about the relationship so we could understand why Emma has walls and also to contrast her present relationship with Hook. That’s how I view Tallahassee, but the introduction of Neal didn’t mean, ‘this is Emma’s True Love.’ I got the opposite vibe.
Short of watching the movie, this is an excerpt of an analysis of the movie On the Waterfront; specifically, the glove scene I mentioned:
In an exchange of small talk as they continue walking through the park, Terry learns that Edie attends a “regular college” in Tarrytown that is “run by the Sisters of St. Anne.” She is a teacher trainee, and aspires “to be a teacher.” As they walk, Edie accidentally drops one of her white mittens. Terry picks it up and cleans it off, but instead of immediately returning it, he holds it, and then puts it on his left hand – as a substitute for getting close to her.
Edie reminds him that “it isn’t just brains. It’s how you use them.” Terry has always been awe-struck by Edie, having first seen her years earlier as a teenager when they went to Catholic school together. He remembers what she was like, with simple observations:
Terry: You know, I’ve seen you a lot of times before. Remember parochial school out on Pulaski Street? Seven, eight years ago? Your hair, you had your hair, uh…
Edie: In braids.
Terry: Looked like a hunk of rope. And you had wires on your teeth and glasses, everything. I mean, you was really a mess.
Edie: I can get home all right now, thanks. (She removes the glove from his hand.)
Terry: Now listen. Don’t get sore. I was just kiddin’ ya a little bit. I just needed to tell ya a joke. You grew up very nice.
Edie: Thanks.
Terry: You don’t, you don’t remember me, do ya?
Edie: I remembered you the first moment I saw you.
Terry: By the nose, huh? (She smiles at him) Well, some people just got faces that stick in your mind.
Edie: I remember you were in trouble all the time.
Terry: Now you got me. Boy, the way those Sisters used to whack me, I don’t know what. They thought they was gonna beat an education into me, but I foxed ’em.
Edie: Maybe they just didn’t know how to handle you.
Terry: How would you have done it?
Edie: With a little more patience and kindness. That’s what makes people mean and difficult. People don’t care enough about them.
Terry: Ah, what are you kiddin’ me?He is interested in seeing her again, although he feels unfamiliar, awkward emotions for her during their departure.
http://www.filmsite.org/onth2.html
The analysis contains a review of the entire movie, which is rather interesting overall if you’re comparing Neal to the main character…but crazy long so I just posted the first part.
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@ellemo78:I don’t really call myself a shipper. It really wouldn’t bother me if Emma and Killian never got together. I won’t lie it is nice, yes but it’s not going to ruin my life one way or the other. I actually got annoyed when Neal died and really would have liked more stuff between Bae and Hook. That relationship never got fleshed out properly apart from that small reconciliation before Neal died. Bae obviously meant a lot of Hook, but we never saw it reciprocated. So when Neal said “I haven’t forgotten” was he referring to when Hook gave him over to Pan? Or was he remembering Hook looking after him before he demanded to be let off the ship. I still have lots of questions about their time in Neverland, but I’ll never get them answered now Neal is gone. The dynamics between Emma/Hook/Neal would have been good had they gone down the path of Emma/Hook with Neal just being an awesome father to Henry. We saw little bits back in Storybrooke after Neverland that Neal and Hook (and Tink) were starting to work well together as a team. I would have enjoyed those Neverland three bonding again.
I agree ellemo78! I do consider myself a CSer; however, I watch not just for that pairing. And because of the nature of the show, I have what I call ‘backup ships’ – if they didn’t put Emma and Hook together, and did put Emma with Neal, I wouldn’t cry foul and stop watching the show. I would figure the writers are going somewhere and watch to see where they went. They’d have to do a superb job to make me feel like SF was natural and real, but I wouldn’t go crazy over it. I had my backup ships! TinkerHook! CaptainFire! CaptainCharming! CaptainCobra! Snowing’s growing on me. Rumbelle’s always pretty interesting and surprising. So I’ve gotten to see some of my ships, but others have been blown out of the water because of the direction the writers decided to go. Sure, I’m saddened I don’t get to see some of my backup ships, especially CaptainFire, but I still love the show in it’s entirety.
Ultimately, as much as I love the romantic pairings, I watch for the entire story and every pairing, not just the ones I’m particularly fond of. I think that’s why I didn’t get upset in the finale when they ‘interrupted’ Rumbelle’s wedding with shots of CS and OQ. Because I’m not concerned with how much screen time a particular couple gets; I thought it was a lovely way to show where each couple is and how though the words Rumple & Belle spoke were to and for each other, they also highlighted where the other couples were in their relationships. It was a comment on romantic love in general in the OUATverse.
On the Waterfont glove scene was touted as Brando at his improvisational finest. He basically changed the way actors moved and performed in movies (Method Acting). Eva Marie Saint dropped her glove in an unscripted moment and Brando picked it up, didn’t hand it back to her and just went on with the scene, playing with the glove while he spoke his dialogue. It was a huge deviation from how actors approached their scenes. The director , Elia Kazan, decided to keep the improv in the movie. Ta da~movie history was made.
It is a scene where Brando was toying with Eva Marie Saint’s character’s innocence and creating a physical intimacy that isn’t present in the dialogue. He even sits on a swing while he chats, trying on the glove. It is a great movie moment.
Michael Raymond James was emulating Brando in the scene…it is well studied by actors. He followed Brando’s motions and attitude to a T. It is probably my favorite scene Raymond James did, even though it wasn’t an original thought, it was very cool.
As far as a closer comparison, it could be seen as Neal trying to charm and insinuate intimacy to Emma, who, though not pure and innocent, was still a bit of a novice to the world of thievery and deception that he knew well. Neal tip-toed very close to the edge of inappropriate behavior since Emma is dressed as the almost-schoolgirl she was. But it worked nicely even if Emma was far more worldly at that point than the Eva Marie Saint character.
(was composing while Jenna was posting! On the Waterfront is a MUST see movie for so many reasons. It is rough and gritty and raw in places and Brando at his mesmerizing best. If nothing else, there is one of the most sensual, romantic kisses b/w Brando and Eva Marie Saint 🙂 )
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Shippers. Hmm. No, I’m a Hookist. 🙂 I come from an Internet time well before the term Shipper was ever coined and I still find the term totally weird, but witty enough to appreciate!(grin)
I follow the Pirate, which springs from my life long adoration of the Golden Era of Hollywood swashbucklers. In particular, the magnificent Errol Flynn. He was quite dead before I was born but his old movies spoke to the Romantic Adventuress in my soul. O’Donoghue’s Hook was just too damned irresistible and enormously easy on the eyes to ignore. Flynnesque to the bone and then some better. Perfect voice, perfect outfit, perfect music, too. Let’s just say he filled up my senses (wink)
I watched Once from day one and fell for the entire premise. Rumplestiltskin and Evil Queen were the standout favorites, with edgy Snow a close third. When Hook appeared, my interest was cemented. It was just a matter of time before things naturally progressed to providing him the quintessential feminine foil of equal depth.
Emma was the stoic hard-ass realist. Strong and in your face. A perfect heroine to throw into a softer, glammed-up fairy Tale world. When Hook and Emma climbed the Beanstalk, it was immediately clear to this old romantic soul that they were a grand match just waiting to explode into each others’ lives. Undeniably Yo Ho Hubba Hubba waiting to happen.
It isn’t essential for couples to rule the show, but it IS all about True Love at the core. Love of family, love of friends, love of lovers (grin)
I’m just very glad that it turned out as it was sassily telegraphed. More to come, more to explode, but supremely right for each other. A trip I hope continues.
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I I so wish that the Hook-Bae-Rumple triangle was the one the writers explored, because there is natural tension and drama and is not a clichéd love triangle. Oh, what might have been.
I agree. It would’ve been very interesting if Neal had still been teenaged Bae and Hook had exacted his revenge against Rumple, not by going after Rumple or shooting Belle, but by being a father to Bae (Like Hook tried to do with Peter Pan’s son in the movie Hook). That way, Hook hadn’t done anything “wrong” but you would know he was hitting Rumple where it hurts.
A Neverland spinoff would be a good hiatus filler and would answer all the questions that weren’t answered during the Neverland arc such as:
Why was Tinkerbell trusted by Pan?
How close were Hook and Bae in Neverland?
What was the “dirty work” Hook had to do for Pan?
How did Pan communicate with the Darling bros?
Was Wendy in the cage the whole time she was in Neverland or was she allowed out?
Why does Hook hate mermaids so much?We could also get more Neverland background on Tinkerbell, Hook, Felix, Pan, Bae. Maybe see the Darling children’s rescue attempt of Bae that resulted in Wendy’s capture. We could even see other Neverland characters that Once didn’t have time for like Tigerlily. We could also see what Ariel was doing in Neverland.
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