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I’m working on a new fanfic now that combines the idea of Killian as a priest in the enchanted forest and meeting Princess Emma and falling in love with each other and there’s some dirty naughty scenes in it too 😉
[adrotate group="5"]LOL at the real husbands of Storybrooke and RumBelle finally have appeared on it 🙂
The Hook hate is still in full swing in other places (not talking about this forum either), I’ve seen an essay that’s so full of Emma hate in 3B that calling it “anti-Emma” is a bit of an understatement. As usual the cries of “OOC” accompany it.
I find it funny that Hook has been pursuing Emma for a while, but the moment he somewhat stops (because Zelena cursed him), Emma then begins pursuing Hook. Emma in 3B is not the Emma of season 1, 2 or 3A, it’s not because she’s OOC, it’s because between 3A and 3B, Emma has had a year living a happy life with Henry and 11 years worth of false happy memories with Henry.
Emma still has her walls but they are not the same walls. Emma was in an 8 month relationship (lol) with Monkey boy whereas before in Season 1 she told MM that one night stands were as far as she went. Walshe was going to propose and Emma was considering whether or not to say yes because otherwise she would’ve said no straight away, she at least had to think about it.
CaptainSwan would not have worked in the first 2.5 seasons because neither participant was ready for it. Emma was too afraid to open up and leave herself emotionally vulnerable (Neal’s reappearance in her life also made her emotionally confused about how she felt about him) whilst Hook was still too hung up on Milah and revenge and basically a bit too aggressive in his pursuit of Emma.(Aggressive isn’t the right word per se but I can’t think of the right word, he came on to her a bit too strong at times is what I mean). The year apart did both Hook and Emma good especially because “absence makes the heart grow fonder”. Emma had chance to work through some of her issues and make herself more emotionally open whilst Hook learnt that he didn’t have to be so full-on with Emma for her to know how he felt about her. Whereas season 2 and 3A Hook would’ve probably told Emma about giving up the Jolly Roger for her and kept reminding her of it until she gave a reaction he was satisfied with, 3B Hook didn’t mention it at all until Emma SPECIFICALLY ASKED him how he escaped the curse and got to our world. Hook was very humble and modest about it, he wasn’t trying to guilt trip Emma into reciprocating his feelings, giving up the JR was a big gesture from Hook and he was trying to downplay its significance!
Also it was Emma who kissed Hook first and Hook responded, not the other way around.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI love the Dark One! (Real Husbands is the best thing to happen to the fandom EVAHHHH !)
Humor. Wit. A gigantic part of what makes Once appealing and the fandom great…a terrific sense of wit and humor.
It is quite sad that some of the most vocal fans don’t seem to have one.
As it often does, PoM, elements of what you post ring true in my overview of things as well.
The oft used rantings of “OOC” are too easy and empty a Battle Cry of the disappointed viewers when things in A&E ‘s heads don’t gel with theirs.
First off, people change and develop due to life’s experiences, and while elements of who we are at birth are hard wired into us for life, external factors DO have a huge effect.
Secondly this show is escapism fantasy and putting psychological “rules” of our reality into play isn’t going to make much sense.
Considering everyone is running around dealing with at least two separate Alternate Universes spanning hundreds of years and countless family trees knotted inside them at the roots, and oh yeah, your parents are your age, I think the writers do a damn fine job of creating a very entertaining story.
I’ve been intrigued with Emma’s progression over this season. She has been quite humanized from the stoic woman camped ferociously behind her cement walls that she has been since day one. She still remains a strong woman. And a very believable one. Stronger even, because she has allowed herself to let strong emotions ( and equally as strong characters) into her life.
Putting aside the portions of my own personality that show a symmetry to hers (slow grin), her obsession with returning to New York was based on fear not selfishness. She was scared. And when strong women get scared, they can get very stubborn and often cruel…especially to the people who mean the most to them. She didn’t want to risk the hurt. As a viewer I got annoyed sometimes with the “cruelty” part but I understood it.
(Rumple and Hook and Regina suffer with the same struggle, different circumstances. That is what makes them all so compelling)
Moments in life CAN change you instantly. Even (especially?) those in fantasy.
Emma’s trip back in time to view her mother as a woman and not a parent is something every daughter should experience. For reasons too deep to dive into here, when you view your mother as a peer, struggling and facing life as a young woman, it changes you instantly and forever and pretty much evaporates any “selfish” based personality traits.
It immediately redefines you.
Emma sees Snow in a totally different light, now, too. It does change your life when you genuinely realize your mother had one if her own.
With regards to Henry, while being a mother is an instant, eternal and ultimately ferocious thing, a woman must know herself and embrace who she is before she can be that complete and ferocious maternal warrior.
In regards to Hook, he was just a few steps ahead of her in the “fighting hurt” and “self-oriented” struggle and could afford the patience he offered her.
He was determined and patient enough to know that when SHE made the realizations she had to make regarding her fears, it would open her soul (as it had opened his) …and he wanted to be there.
He has an old soul. A because of his own struggles, a wise one.
Having a patient, loyal, strong man (friend or lover) walking through life beside you does not diminish your strength (or independence)as a woman. It enhances it incredibly.
The fact that he sensually oozes dashing rapscallion charm and possesses a gorgeous face that would make Aphrodite’s toes curl is just a pleasant side effect (grinnnn)
***Always in search of a good flock***
I agree with all of that @priceofmagic 🙂
Emma’s getting hate because of her feelings for Hook? The haters in this fandom are disgusting. Just comes to show you, ‘shippers only care about their respective half of Emma ‘ships (Regina or Neal) and really DO NOT care at all about what Emma wants, or feels and that’s really sad.
Granted Emma was not my favorite in season one but Tallahassee opened my eyes as to why she is the way she is and I like her now and I like Hook too. I care about both of them as characters and have always said, I care about both their happiness as characters. How many other Emma ‘shippers can say that?
Killian respects Emma’s agency. I don’t remember a moment where he forced himself on her. Like really forced himself. He put out the suggestion for a first kiss but honestly, I don’t think he expected her to deliver. He’s confident because he knows her, he understands her and sees a lot of himself in her and that means, he “gets” her. He knew there was a deeper reason why Emma wanted to go back to New York and it wasn’t just to protect Henry (who was the “wall”).
Emma initiated and the first kiss and the kiss outside of Granny’s. Hook didn’t force her in both cases. Even if she hadn’t asked about The Jolly Roger, I feel fairly certain she would have kissed him anyway but knowing what he gave up her, made her decision more clear.
And you know Hook was right:
“So when I win your heart, Emma…and I will win it… it will not be because of any trickery. It will be because you want me.”
There was no trickery involved in winning Emma’s heart. The only thing he wasn’t honest about was Zelena’s curse on his lips because he was in a “no-win” situation. Zelena said to him, he tells people, someone dies, or he kisses Emma and she loses her powers. And Emma started to fall for him in the winter finale and she accepted her feelings for him during the their trip to the past. She already knew how he felt about her but her walls were still a problem. Killian always gave her the choice. He never forced their relationship as an ultimatum or anything. He’s been her partner throughout 3B.
I’m still not keen on that “When I win your heart” dialogue of Hook’s for the sole reason that it sounds a bit presumptuous and a foregone conclusion that Hook will get Emma which, at the time he said it, wasn’t necessarily going to happen. However, I could see that line being reused as Hook gives encouragement to Henry on girls.
Original:”So when I win your heart, Emma…and I will win it… it will not be because of any trickery. It will be because you want me.”
Hook to Henry: “When you win that young lady’s heart, Henry…..and you will win it….it will not be because of any trickery. It will be because she wants you.”
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixTo me Price, I think too many Oncers focus too much on that aspect of the quote and ignore everything else about it. I don’t view it as presumptuous. I view it more as confident. And there’s a big difference between being presumptuous and confident.
I found my old post about it:
Remember earlier on before the kiss, Hook wasn’t confident that Emma would love him. Remember how Charming taunted him about that? I don’t see him being presumptuous here but confident. There’s a difference. Confidence is good. And Hook knows Emma well enough that when she is ready to love him, she will.
He’s not cornering her into making a decision now. He’s stating that the choice will be hers to make and she will have to make a choice between Neal and Hook. I also do not see how what Hook says is any different than what Mary Margaret said to David when they were cursed, that David would have to make a choice between her and Katherine.
And lastly,
it will not be because of any trickery. It will be because you want me.
The trickery mention goes back to fighting fairly and good form. I love how Hook states upfront that he’s done with his old ways of getting what he wants. He’s going to do things the right way, he’s going to do right by Emma because it’s what best for her.
So, when she makes her decision, when she chooses him, loves him, wants him in her life or whatever, there will be no question about it. This will be her choice. It will be because she makes that decision.
And then let’s reflect what happened in the finale: Emma accepted her feelings for Killian in the Enchanted Forest, she saw what her parents went through and realized, she had been doing the same thing when it came to relationships in her life. So when she missed him in the diner, she realized what Hook not being by her side meant and sought him out. She chose him then, so when he told her about his ship, it cemented her feelings for him and thus, the kiss. There was no trickery involved. The mystery of the ship was revealed when it was appropriate for Emma to know about it, when she could accept it.
When Emma was ready to love Killian, when she was ready to accept love back into her life, she came to him.
To me Price, I think too many Oncers focus too much on that aspect of the quote and ignore everything else about it. I don’t view it as presumptuous. I view it more as confident. And there’s a big difference between being presumptuous and confident. I found my old post about it:
Remember earlier on before the kiss, Hook wasn’t confident that Emma would love him. Remember how Charming taunted him about that? I don’t see him being presumptuous here but confident. There’s a difference. Confidence is good. And Hook knows Emma well enough that when she is ready to love him, she will. He’s not cornering her into making a decision now. He’s stating that the choice will be hers to make and she will have to make a choice between Neal and Hook. I also do not see how what Hook says is any different than what Mary Margaret said to David when they were cursed, that David would have to make a choice between her and Katherine. And lastly, it will not be because of any trickery. It will be because you want me. The trickery mention goes back to fighting fairly and good form. I love how Hook states upfront that he’s done with his old ways of getting what he wants. He’s going to do things the right way, he’s going to do right by Emma because it’s what best for her. So, when she makes her decision, when she chooses him, loves him, wants him in her life or whatever, there will be no question about it. This will be her choice. It will be because she makes that decision.
And then let’s reflect what happened in the finale: Emma accepted her feelings for Killian in the Enchanted Forest, she saw what her parents went through and realized, she had been doing the same thing when it came to relationships in her life. So when she missed him in the diner, she realized what Hook not being by her side meant and sought him out. She chose him then, so when he told her about his ship, it cemented her feelings for him and thus, the kiss. There was no trickery involved. The mystery of the ship was revealed when it was appropriate for Emma to know about it, when she could accept it. When Emma was ready to love Killian, when she was ready to accept love back into her life, she came to him.
Love your post, Obisgirl! And I don’t have much to add since you summed up all my thoughts as well…
Hook is an interesting character in that his self confidence seems to come in ebbs and flows. Sometimes he’s ridiculously cocky – and the viewer can easily see he’s covering up being self-conscious and maybe a little out of his element. But when it comes to love, unlike many, Hook/Killian is extremely confident – not because he feels whoever is on the receiving end should be grateful, or owes him something for his love. And I don’t think it’s because he knows that person will ‘come around’ – it’s because he’s going to love that person irregardless of whether they return that love. Because he knows he is a better person for loving them, regardless of whether or not that love is returned.
So when he says he will win Emma’s heart, it’s not that he will be playing games and not give until he gets the girl, he’s saying the reason Emma will return his feelings is because he will have earned them by being the person she wants – and more importantly – needs.
What I think is most important in that exchange – He’s not giving her a timeline – he’s pointing out to her that neither one of them are ready at that moment – Hook has some work to do to become the right person for Emma, but he has no doubt he can become that person, because he loves her so much that he wants to become the person capable of being loved by Emma.
Hook is an interesting character in that his self confidence seems to come in ebbs and flows. Sometimes he’s ridiculously cocky – and the viewer can easily see he’s covering up being self-conscious and maybe a little out of his element. But when it comes to love, unlike many, Hook/Killian is extremely confident – not because he feels whoever is on the receiving end should be grateful, or owes him something for his love. And I don’t think it’s because he knows that person will ‘come around’ – it’s because he’s going to love that person irregardless of whether they return that love. Because he knows he is a better person for loving them, regardless of whether or not that love is returned.
I want to add, that I think Hook is already seeing that Emma has feeings for him, they’ve been quite friendly so far (rum, coconuts, kisses) so as you said it’s not a matter of her ‘coming around’ to his way of thinking, b/c I think she’s already there (or at least an inkling of a feeling) and she will admit it one day when he is worthy of her love. As he said he won’t need tricks, b/c he hasn’t already and she’s starting to fall. Even Regina called her out on it ‘you think it’s the best plan b/c your boyfriend came up with it’ And that was before the kiss, so Emma’s obviously been showing some affection to Hook if others are seeing it.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
But when it comes to love, unlike many, Hook/Killian is extremely confident – not because he feels whoever is on the receiving end should be grateful, or owes him something for his love. And I don’t think it’s because he knows that person will ‘come around’ – it’s because he’s going to love that person irregardless of whether they return that love. Because he knows he is a better person for loving them, regardless of whether or not that love is returned. So when he says he will win Emma’s heart, it’s not that he will be playing games and not give until he gets the girl, he’s saying the reason Emma will return his feelings is because he will have earned them by being the person she wants – and more importantly – needs. What I think is most important in that exchange – He’s not giving her a timeline – he’s pointing out to her that neither one of them are ready at that moment – Hook has some work to do to become the right person for Emma, but he has no doubt he can become that person, because he loves her so much that he wants to become the person capable of being loved by Emma.
Yes!! Yes!! Yes!!
100% agreed, @ellemo78!
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