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I find it funny that Hook has been pursuing Emma for a while, but the moment he somewhat stops (because Zelena cursed him), Emma then begins pursuing Hook. Emma in 3B is not the Emma of season 1, 2 or 3A, it’s not because she’s OOC, it’s because between 3A and 3B, Emma has had a year living a happy life with Henry and 11 years worth of false happy memories with Henry. Emma still has her walls but they are not the same walls. Emma was in an 8 month relationship (lol) with Monkey boy whereas before in Season 1 she told MM that one night stands were as far as she went. Walshe was going to propose and Emma was considering whether or not to say yes because otherwise she would’ve said no straight away, she at least had to think about it.
100000000% agree with you- 3B Emma is in noway the same Emma as even end of 3A Emma- Fans didnt ban together to throw hate at Snow, Charming or anyone else in S2 (as far as I know), when those characters were freed from their cursed lives, yet automatically didn’t return to acting exactly like their EF selves- Because they are “Both“, so why should fans expect Emma too! That’s just being argumentative & full of hypocrisy :/
Whereas season 2 and 3A Hook would’ve probably told Emma about giving up the Jolly Roger for her and kept reminding her of it until she gave a reaction he was satisfied with,
Probably the only part I dont agree with out of your post- every else I agree with you on. We already have an example of that not being the case- Hook could have badgered Emma every chance he got that he saved her father from death, yet he didnt use that as a “reason” for her to spend more time with him. He hardly ever brought it up & still doesnt bring it up often, unless they are being unfair in their treatment of him. Hook has had many, many opportunities to set straight all the stuff he has done & why with Snowing & Emma, yet he mostly chooses to hold his tongue & let his actions speak for him (much to his fans frustration sometimes LOL… it’d be so much easier for him if he got out his violin like Rumple & Regina often do :p )
Moments in life CAN change you instantly. Even (especially?) those in fantasy.
Yes, they can- I’m living proof of that, I promise you! I remember clearly the 1st time I saw a video of the reality of commercial livestock sent to slaughter- I still see the images & sounds of cows too injured to move themselves, being piled into a heap, those on top slowly crushing the life out of those below them & thats the least of the horrors- I have NOT brought supermarket/commercial meat since- I just cant! What I saw totally changed me on a fundamental level- I went vegan (have been since) & my carnivore animals get humanly killed, ‘home kill’.
Having a patient, loyal, strong man (friend or lover) walking through life beside you does not diminish your strength (or independence)as a woman. It enhances it incredibly. The fact that he sensually oozes dashing rapscallion charm and possesses a gorgeous face that would make Aphrodite’s toes curl is just a pleasant side effect (grinnnn)
Agreed & yes, yes it very much is a “pleasant” side effect 😉
Emma’s getting hate because of her feelings for Hook? The haters in this fandom are disgusting. Just comes to show you, ‘shippers only care about their respective half of Emma ‘ships (Regina or Neal) and really DO NOT care at all about what Emma wants, or feels and that’s really sad. Granted Emma was not my favorite in season one but Tallahassee opened my eyes as to why she is the way she is and I like her now and I like Hook too. I care about both of them as characters and have always said, I care about both their happiness as characters. How many other Emma ‘shippers can say that?
For me, I started out as having Emma as my fav character in S1, then Emma & Hook were tied as my fav for S2 & S3A, Killian inched ahead to become my fav character (With Emma close 2nd & dare I say it… Regina a close 3rd now- I used to despise Regina in S1 & most of S2! lol) & while I consider myself a CS shipper (as I am emotionally invested enough in the ship to be sad/upset if it sunk 😉 ), I’m not a die hard shipper, who’d quit the show if my ship sunk- why… Obisgirl hit the nail on the head- I’m invested in the CHARACTERS themselves 1st & foremost (maybe even more so than the over all plot of the story…which often seems a little fuzzy- thought that was Emma returning & the final battle beginning… what ever that means lol)- it’s their stories & well being that I care about & am invested in most. Relationships/ships …. (Ohhh, click… wondered how such an odd term like ‘shipping’ came into being, but its just a reduction of relationships LOL- I feel like a total doorknob for not “getting” that waaaaaaay sooner lol …. naming it “shipping/shippers” makes total sense now)… anyway, back to what I was saying… having a great ship is just the icing on the cake, so to speak.
Killian respects Emma’s agency. I don’t remember a moment where he forced himself on her. Like really forced himself. He put out the suggestion for a first kiss but honestly, I don’t think he expected her to deliver. He’s confident because he knows her, he understands her and sees a lot of himself in her and that means, he “gets” her. He knew there was a deeper reason why Emma wanted to go back to New York and it wasn’t just to protect Henry (who was the “wall”)
Yes, exactly, I feel the same way about the 1st kiss & A&E, along with JMo & Colin have all said on more than one occasion that Emma & Hook see themselves in the other & “understand” each other, are “kindred spirits”, “share a special connection” etc. So why some fans still insist on not “seeing it”, when that is how those 2 characters have not only been introduced, written, played/acted & explained/described as being, is beyond me.
Wont bother quoting the “When I win your heart” dialogue” stuff & answering myself, as @Obisgirl all ready said waht I would say, with this:
I don’t view it as presumptuous. I view it more as confident. And there’s a big difference between being presumptuous and confident.
& @Jenna_B with this:
Hook/Killian is extremely confident – not because he feels whoever is on the receiving end should be grateful, or owes him something for his love. And I don’t think it’s because he knows that person will ‘come around’ – it’s because he’s going to love that person irregardless of whether they return that love. Because he knows he is a better person for loving them, regardless of whether or not that love is returned. So when he says he will win Emma’s heart, it’s not that he will be playing games and not give until he gets the girl, he’s saying the reason Emma will return his feelings is because he will have earned them by being the person she wants – and more importantly – needs. What I think is most important in that exchange – He’s not giving her a timeline – he’s pointing out to her that neither one of them are ready at that moment – Hook has some work to do to become the right person for Emma, but he has no doubt he can become that person, because he loves her so much that he wants to become the person capable of being loved by Emma.
[adrotate group="5"]The *I will win it* quote is one of my favorites of Hook to Emma. 🙂 Hands down deliciously positive and yet romantically gallant. No trickery, just pure heart felt need~ after what I am see was a very telling, more-than-a-quick-simple-gratification-flirty-smooch-of-a- kiss for both of them. (and she gave it the added OOOOMMPPPH, if I recall~ wink)
It was a softly spoken *heart skips a beat* moment of his confident and sincere devotion to her.
He knew it, and my guess is she knew it, too. Stubborn denial is deep in Emma, but not totally hidden from a man with a heart like Hook.
***Always in search of a good flock***
The *I will win it* quote is one of my favorites of Hook to Emma.
Hands down deliciously positive and yet romantically gallant. No trickery, just pure heart felt need~ after what I am see was a very telling, more-than-a-quick-simple-gratification-flirty-smooch-of-a- kiss for both of them. (and she gave it the added OOOOMMPPPH, if I recall~ wink) It was a softly spoken *heart skips a beat* moment of his confident and sincere devotion to her. He knew it, and my guess is she knew it, too. Stubborn denial is deep in Emma, but not totally hidden from a man with a heart like Hook. Mine to- I actually actually rank that scene a little higher than their 1st kiss, it’s one of my top 5 fav 3A scenes, because it shows not only how much he has changed, but how much more he wants to change more towards what he used to be, a man of honor- not just for himself, but to be worthy of Emma & her love in His mind. I think maybe that 1st kiss is where Killian got his 1st inkling of an idea of he & Emma being TL…. their kissing must equate to dopamine overload, since their kissing radically changing how he feels, has been mentioned twice by Killian now & their kiss rattled Emma enough, for her to feel the need to talk to Snow (while actually the MM part of Snow lol) about it 😉
I agree @surayya . I was looking through my tumblr likes and I came across the season 2 DVD featurette ‘Sincerely, Hook’ where Colin talks about Hook’s persona.
And I wrote a response to it:
Who is Captain Hook on Once Upon a Time?
He’s a man who’s had love but was taken from him and the loss of that love (his brother and Milah) made him into the vengeful Captain Hook, but when love comes back into his life, he finds love (with Emma), he drops the facade of Captain Hook and becomes the man of honor we saw in Good Form flashbacks; he becomes his true self, Killian Jones.
And that’s what love does on Once Upon a Time folks. It brings out the best in people, or in this case, the best version of Hook, Killian Jones.
And that’s exactly what we saw happen in season 3, especially in 3B. He wanted to prove himself worthy of Emma’s love and that trip to the past, showed her that he is worthy of her. I think Emma started to realize that during the dancing scene.
And all he wanted was for Emma to embrace the best version of herself. And she did in the vault scene.
And thus, you, and Colin have said some of the things explaining why I have a very fond affection ~beyond the obviously pleasing visual~ for El Capitano.
I would also like to add that he simply loves her. He wants to be around her, he wants to protect her and share adventures and life’s wonderfully simple pleasures (such as dancing) whether she “needs” saved or not.
he loves her and sometimes, it is just as simple as that
***Always in search of a good flock***
Whilst trying to find a list of characters that have died on Once (preferably ones that are not related to each other or the main cast in some ways), I came across this article on Neal’s death. It’s from the Hollywood Reporter at end of March.
How early on did you know that Neal’s death would be part of the season plan?
Horowitz: We knew pretty early on. The way we like to approach each season is by doing big-picture planning of the big character moments for the year and decide how it will fit in on the long-term planning. This death was a part of that planning and it was something we wanted to build to because where the story was going with our characters and the larger story for the show we’re trying to tell, it’s something we take very, very seriously. We love Michael Raymond-James — he’s a great actor — and we loved the character we created and [he] played for almost three years now. And hopefully the audience has an attachment to the character, so it’s very difficult all-around. But when you’re telling a larger serialized story there are tragic events — that’s part of the drama.
Eddy Kitsis: We felt like in this character’s evolution, him sacrificing himself for his family when given the chance — as his father did for him in the winter finale — we loved that aspect and growth of his character breaking the cycle of that family’s bad parenting. And of course, to bring someone back from the dead — as we say, magic has a price — so you see it extracted. What we loved from a character basis was the son realizing that he was almost following his father in an obsessive pursuit and that in the end when he had a chance to do the right thing, he did.
Were you toying with other ways to end Neal’s arc?
Kitsis: No, this was kind of what we wanted to do thematically. This was kind of how we always felt. We always felt that Neal or Baelfire at his core was a hero; he always tried to stay away from magic. We saw him as a young boy sacrificing himself to save the Darlings to go to Neverland. For us, this was a natural outgrowth of that, and what we wanted to play with was watching his obsessiveness and trying to get back, and when he realized the mistake, he paid for it, he didn’t run away from it.
When did you notify Michael that his time on the show was ending?
Horowitz: We let him know this season. It wasn’t something we talked about last year. We didn’t know specifically until this year when it would happen and we told him right away. We talked about it, we talked about his character and nobody knows that character better than he does. We talked about the best way to make the exit as emotionally affecting and real as we all could.
Neal’s request that Emma tell Henry that he was “a good father” really brought his whole journey to a close on a nice note. Can you talk about that moment?
Kitsis: The idea behind that was, of course he understood that Henry had come back with no memories, and he deep down is worried that what Henry knows is what Emma knew before she understood the truth, which was he was a guy who let her go to jail. He spent so many years thinking his father didn’t love him and that his father wasn’t a good guy, that when he made peace with him, he needed Emma to understand that at the end of the day, “Let Henry know I did this for him. I did this for my family. I may not get to be his father and be with him and watch him grow up but I am protecting him the best way I can.” It was, for us, a noble ending because he did this great sacrifice and he wanted to set an example for his son about what a hero is.
I think this proves that Neal wasn’t killed off just so CS could happen.
Also interesting that A&E talk about Neal’s “obsessiveness” and we have seen instances of Neal being obsessive to the point of not seeing the bigger picture such as Rolandgate and bringing back Rumple.
Also interesting that A&E decided to kill off Neal as a choice rather than events forcing a quick demise or him being “put on a bus”.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixParticipants of this thread, could you please read this
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yikes, you take a little Sunday nap and come back to naughty bots! Poor RG/MP/Daniel.
POM – I like that interview. Had it been done that way, I probably wouldn’t have had a problem with the death! I just wish they hadn’t crammed it into 3 episodes and still barely gave any time to the story. Also, it would’ve helped with that pesky CS fan service argument.
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