The Captain Swan thread!

[Bo-Peeps]

Yup.

I think a lot of these feelings about Snow are magnified by the fandom 🙂 (and very funny stuff some of it!!) but aren’t what is shown in the show.

Snow understands love. She loves Emma. Emma loves Hook. Hook loves Emma. Hook protected/saved/guarded Emma. Hook saved David’s life.  Henry likes Hook. Hook likes Henry. David likes Hook. Hook likes David. Neal is dead.

The writers are going to be too involved with the hideous hole they have dug regarding Regina/Robin/Marian to deal too much with any odd misgivings from Snow White, el Bandito/Mother/Wife extraordinaire for her daughter and her daughter’s  Love.

[Jenna_B]

I think part of the reason Snow is so pro-Neal is simply because from her own experience, you love one person and that’s it.  So she has difficulty comprehending that.  What is interesting though is that the ‘new guy’ has no desire to ‘replace’ Neal because Neal was important to Hook as well.  W hich is out of the norm for tv.  I think Hook will be instrumental in helping keep Neal’s memory alive … if Snow can open her eyes and realize she’s the most destructive aspect in her relationship with Emma, accepting Hook will easily fall into place.  Hopefully her husband talks some sense into her…although they both need to realize they’re never goimg to have that parent/child relationship with Emma.  Heck, out of the 3 of them, Emma has more life- experience than David and Snow anyway!

[obisgirl]

I agree Jenna

[ilayda]

And don’t forget that Snow still sees Hook as villain and i don’t thing unless a major event she won’t think that he changed she would change her idea. I think Snow is a little bit narrow minded about people she trust her instinct about everyone so much she sometimes become blind to see their true nature or their change.

[obisgirl]

What’s rediculous about that is ever since the season two finale, Hook has been actively helping the Charmings asking for nothing in return. (Excep for the kiss in Neverland) and he saved her husband’s life too.

And he’s done nothing to make them believe he is untrustworthy. I think that’s why the ganging up scene in A Curious Thing Is silly.

Hook was given a message and did not really have time to figure out the logistics of where it came from; only that Emma’s family needed her. And the Charmings crucify him for it!

But to be fair, the next episode Charming understood that Hook was in a bad position and didn’t really warrant the scolding he got.

Let me put it this way- if Snow can give Regina a chance and forgive her then surely Snow can see that Hook is not a villain anymore either.

[ilayda]

i agree with you @obisgirl will see what Snow will do and i think Henry won’t accept the relationship too

[PriceofMagic]

i agree with you @obisgirl will see what Snow will do and i think Henry won’t accept the relationship too

I agree. Henry is the perfectly wrapped obstacle. He is the only one whose opinion Emma really cares about and therefore is the only one who has the potential to derail CS. Obviously he won’t be against CS forever, and we’ll see some Hook and Henry bonding moments where Henry will begin to come round to CS, but for him to just be okay with it would be a waste. In season 2, Henry wanted Neal and Emma back together, however that’s obviously not going to happen now. I could see Henry being put out that Emma has seemingly jumped into a relationship so quickly after Neal’s death (Henry isn’t aware just how many hoops Kilian has jumped through for Emma) and I could see him not being very open to Hook.

I could see Snow’s opinion of Emma’s relationship with Hook being a cause of friction between Snow and Emma (Especially if Snow makes it known she thinks it’s too soon after Neal which only makes things worse with Henry). Snow has the tendency not to keep her opinions to herself. Charming would be more okay with it but would probably give Hook the “friendly” advice of “You hurt my daughter, you lose the other hand”. Snow has kind of put Neal on a pedestal by naming her kid after him so I could see her kind of giving Hook a hard time if he doesn’t live up to her expectations such as “Neal wouldn’t have done that”, Neal would’ve done this”, Neal would’ve been able to fix it, Neal would know what to do” etc basically making Hook feel like he isn’t good enough for Emma. Then Charming would come in and give Hook his blessing to see Emma.

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[obisgirl]

I could see Henry being put out that Emma has seemingly jumped into a relationship so quickly after Neal’s death (Henry isn’t aware just how many hoops Killian has jumped through for Emma) and I could see him not being very open to Hook. I could see Snow’s opinion of Emma’s relationship with Hook being a cause of friction between Snow and Emma (Especially if Snow makes it known she thinks it’s too soon after Neal which only makes things worse with Henry). Snow has the tendency not to keep her opinions to herself. Charming would be more okay with it but would probably give Hook the “friendly” advice of “You hurt my daughter, you lose the other hand”. Snow has kind of put Neal on a pedestal by naming her kid after him so I could see her kind of giving Hook a hard time if he doesn’t live up to her expectations such as “Neal wouldn’t have done that”, Neal would’ve done this”, Neal would’ve been able to fix it, Neal would know what to do” etc basically making Hook feel like he isn’t good enough for Emma. Then Charming would come in and give Hook his blessing to see Emma.

I agree Snow’s the biggest hold out and possibly guilt-tripping Emma that maybe it’s too soon for her but that Snow’s opinion.  Again,  Snow never really knew Neal. She liked him but knows very little about his history with Emma (other than the fact that they slept together and had Henry).  She doesn’t know about the jail thing and I strongly believe, if Snow did learn the truth,  I doubt very much she would have been ‘pro’Neal’.  I would be truly shocked if when Snow learned about what Neal did that she still thought so highly of him.

But if she did, it just shows how much the writers have dumbed down her character. She isn’t brave, smart and cunning Snow White anymore.  She isn’t Mary Margaret either.

Who Emma chooses to be with is Emma’s choice; it’s not Snow’s.  (And certainly, not the fans who like to bash Jen when she says anything pro-Captain Swan).

 

[Jenna_B]

Oh, I have faith in our little Henry. I doubt he’ll provide much of an obstacle, for a couple of reasons (and yes, I know I may be crucified for them).

1) Biology does not a mother/father make. Plain and simple. Now, no it is not (solely) Neal’s fault he wasn’t in Henry’s life (unless he actively made sure Emma didn’t/couldn’t find him when she got out of jail. Not sure about that one.) And yes, Neal absolutely stepped up to the plate without a moment’s hesitation once he learned about Henry. But the unfortunate fact is, Henry was 11-12ish when he met Neal. There’s going to be a bond of sorts, but it’s simply not the same as if Neal had been in Henry’s life since birth and lost his father. If that was the case, then, yes absolutely I can see Henry being an obstacle. But they knew each other for about 2 weeks, and Henry never saw Emma and Neal together romantically. In fact, much of the “time” Neal and Henry were together, Neal was engaged to Tamara.

2) Henry and Emma’s bond is extremely tight. They have had time to bond, have been to heck and back together. And though the memories are not real, they both have a sense of what it would’ve been like had Henry grown up in Emma’s care – though they can say ‘not real,’ that feeling is still going to be present in some form. And a huge “Henry” theme of 3B? Wanting his mom to be happy, to have a family and a home. So, if Henry sees something/someone makes Emma happy, I don’t think he’s going to try to end it or fight it.

3) Yes, in S2, Henry wanted Emma and Neal to get together. A typical knee jerk reaction from an 11 year old kid. I wouldn’t expect anything else. But Henry’s a year older now, and it’s an important year. Henry’s transitioning from childhood to his teenage years, and at this age, you begin to understand that just because something looks ideal on the outside, doesn’t mean it is (and yes, I speak from experience. My parents split up when I was around Henry’s age and I was more than happy about it. They were miserable together and excellent co-parents apart. And Neal and Emma, I believe would’ve been excellent co-parents as well. Not every kid who comes from a ‘broken’ or ‘nonconventional’ home life sits around wanting Mommy and Daddy to be together because if they’re together everything will be happy go lucky…and really, being an American kid and having your parents not together isn’t exactly unconventional anymore!)

So, anyway, that’s my 2 cents on Henry! And really, though Snow gets things in her head and has decided that Neal and Emma should be together, I think she’ll be ok sooner than later. I honestly think Emma and Hook’s biggest obstacles are going to be Emma and Hook themselves. Oh, I really do hope A&E have a ‘light’ take on CS…their ‘angst’ in trying to navigate this relationship could be excellent material for those moments OUAT needs to breathe amidst the chaos.

[ilayda]

I think like obisgirl too Snow changed not in a good way but in a boring annoying way even though i think she won’t attack either Hook or the relationship directly she will probably use sarcasm and Henry for that just like Jenna said otherwise it won’t make sense because 1. Their relationship just gotten better i don’t think writers want to ruin that directly at least 2. I don’t think Emma will listen her opinion about this. The only person whose idea matter is Henry and a child who lost his parent just yet is a perfect and easy obstacle for our writers ( lets be honest sometimes they choose the obvious easy way to creative way ) but like jenna said it does not really have a point cause a. Being someones biological parent don’t make you a family member 2. He did barely knew but the thinks they told henry about his father really did a wrong image about Neal and all males telling a 12 old that his father died as hero is a dangerous think because he will probably make a perfect father image on his head that can never be full filled by anyone not even Neal himself. They could have just told him that his father lived as a good man which save him from a lot of parenting issues. And non of these people including Emma and even Rumple really knew Neal cause they only participated his life in short periods of time that guy lived all most 300 years we don’t now how did he survived in in real world or how did his time past in neverland fully so saying big words about man who you dont really know is not really good idea. And for the biological parenting i think show sometimes giving mixed signals to the audience just like in the first season that they made it look like Regina didn’t loved him she was a typical step mother to Henry or that Henry living with Snowings and Emma but not with Regina ( if i were Regina i wouldn’t let that happen got much more angry to emma than she did) or sometimes everybody acts like just because Emma is the savior and the biological parent she has more thinks or decisions to make about henry than Regina . I mean adoption is a very sensitive point they should think about the audience at henry’s age who is adobted and watching the show before they did someting

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