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Oh, and regarding the whole redemption thing…Hook haters keep saying that he only did good things in order to “win” Emma. That’s obviously not true because he doesn’t even tell her what he’s done. First of all when he saved Charming’s life in Neverland–yes, he said “I didn’t do it for you, mate”, but then when they do get back to the group, Hook wasn’t even going to bring it up at all. It was Charming who was all “Hook saved my life!” even though Hook said “are you sure you want to bring this up?”. And yes he then tried to get Emma to kiss him, but I got the impression that it was just his usual flirty joking around and he didn’t actually expect her to do it. I mean, who grabbed the lapels of whose jacket? It seems to me that if he did save him for Emma, then it was in an “I-love-you-so-I-don’t-want-you-to-lose-the-father-you-just-found” way, not an “I-want-to-win-points-to-get-in-your-pants” way.
And the same applies to trading the Jolly Roger for a magic bean…if he’d done it to get credit with Emma, he would’ve brought it up himself and kept talking about it whenever possible, trying to make her feel guilty that he gave up his ship and she’s not making a big enough fuss over him. But again, he only even told Emma because she asked and he had no choice. He didn’t even mention it when he was first telling the story, she had to keep asking. (“How did you get your hands on a magic bean?” “Okay, what was so valuable that you could trade it for a bean?”) If he was trying to use the fact that he’d sacrificed his home for her as a way to make her feel obligated to return his affections, he was doing a REALLY lousy job of it.
So yeah…I had to get that out because I’m sick of some of these stupid arguments, haha.
I agree. If Hook was trying to win points with Emma, he would’ve told her about giving up the JR a lot sooner than the very end of 3B. Even when he did tell her, it was only because she had asked the specific question.
3B Hook impressed me greatly and it’s interesting to go back and watch old scenes of Hook with a new perspective especially scenes that I didn’t really like before.
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Keeper of FelixI’m very curious to see SDCC this year…I think since the finale we’ve actually seen Jen Morrison snap and say “screw it. I’m going to answer these incessant ship and Hook vs Neal vs Regina questions honestly and openly”. No, no Emma wouldn’t have gotten back together with Neal; spin it however you want, but he did assist in sending a pregnant 17 year old girl to prison for his own crimes. No, Emma and Regina aren’t getting together (Regina IS her step-grammy afterall). Emma IS with Hook, and DOES have feelings for him.
And I think we have some of the anti-CS & anti-Hook fans to thank for that! If they weren’t so loud and obnoxious and just TRASHING the actors/writers at every single turn, arguing that they’re misleading this ship, and that ship by being vague, and they’re insulting this ship and that ship by telling the audience how it is, they would probably continue with the good ol’ media ‘wait and see!’ standard. You NEVER get real answers from writers/actors for any show! They always give you the same old spin and tiny teases to keep you watching. But with each interview and con since the finale, Jen has gotten more blunt about what we’ve seen and what she thinks we have to look forward to. So…hey, if your hate’s going to keep getting us CSers what we want! – well, I still want the hate to stop, it’s utterly ridiculous and hurtful for no reason. But thanks anyway, kids.
To be fair to Belle, a guy who she only met once before and tried to kill her has now just targeted her again and stolen the one thing that would enable Rumple to find his son. I don’t blame her for disliking the guy. Why would she immediately believe Hook, the guy who tried to kill her, over Rumple? Belle is on better terms with Hook now but at the time he’d just pointed a gun in her face so I can’t blame her for being all “your heart is rotten”. Hook then shot her over the town line so she’d lose her memory. Hook got off very lightly if the worst he got from Belle was an insult. Belle was obviously going to take Rumple’s side over Hook’s because he was her true love, to expect otherwise would be unrealistic.
I didn’t expect Hook and Belle to be BFFs. Fair call, their previous meetings haven’t endeared him to her. My issue is just her blindness to what Rumpel has done. Even after everything she’d heard about the Dark One and what she herself has witnessed (ie Robin being tortured for days just for trying to steal a wand that wasn’t Rumpel’s in the first place), oh no it couldn’t be possible that Rumpel killed his wife for wanting to leave him, “because his heart is true”! In what realm is that statement remotely correct? I’m not saying there isn’t some good in him, but true? It’s putting Hook and Rumpel at polar opposites, which is very obvious they’re not considering five minutes later Rumpel tries to beat Hook to death with his cane, without Hook fighting back btw. But when Belle clocks that she interprets it as Hook trying to blacken Rumpel’s soul by taking his life. No Belle, the man is at the end of his tether, he wants to die. He doesn’t want to die to hurt Rumpel’s soul. She just frustrates me so much! 😀
Thanks @obisgirl for the smoochies, they’ve dulled my frustration 😀 Very pretty. *happy thoughts*
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You’re welcome for the CS kisses 🙂 FYI, I’m going to Las Vegas tomorrow and then later to L.A. I’ll actually be in L.A around the time Comic Con starts but on’t be able to go because I don’t have a ticket. So, someone else will have to post the smoochies 🙂 But I’ll be keeping an eye on my twitter for SDCC updates.
How would Belle know that Rumple was a terrible person and made Milah’s life miserable? She only had Hook’s word for it and since he’d just pointed a gun in her face and had tried to kill her in the library and in Regina’s cell……. I can see why Belle didn’t think much of Hook. Also the failure of Rumple and Milah’s marriage can’t solely be blamed on Rumple, Milah played her part as well.
Well that’s why I phrased the above as a question–she still could have just asked Rumple about it. At the very least I’d think that what Hook said and the way he said it would have made her ask the question. Her complete lack of concern and/or curiosity is what gets to me. ETA: Also all of what @ellemo78 said!
And I don’t know…I’ve said how I feel about Milah here before, but I really would put the majority of the blame for their situation on Rumple. The fact that really gives me that impression is that he refused to even try to make their lives better by moving somewhere where no one would know them–that night before she left, she gave him one last chance and he still refused to make an effort for her and their marriage after his actions caused them to become pariahs in their community.
Sorry for the kinda long and decidedly off-topic post; I really should be packing for my trip tomorrow, so of course I’m procrastinating as much as possible… 😉
1st off- Yay! I was so surprised & happy to see 2new pages today! 🙂
I think there’s a general rule when it comes to storytelling, if your characters don’t evolve or change, the reader tends to get bored with said character. Because what’s the point then of following a character from the beginning of a story to the end? Besides the plot, it’s to see how the character changes and evolves over time. It’s character growth. A character is not fascinating to watch if said character stays stagnant and doesn’t change.
Yeah, I think that’s what bugs me about Rumple & Belle most- it’s always the exact same thing in different situations. For me, Belle cant see it how it is with Rumple, so always makes the same choice over & over again, Rumple doesnt really want to change/fears ‘who’ he is, so he always falls back on making the same choices- like you said, it gets boring. I felt the same way about Cora & I used to feel the same way about Regina.
Snow drove me Batty when she was all ‘Give Regina another chance’- I was sitting there thinking ‘Really?! This women murders your father, tries to murder you, hunts you down for who knows how long, then later casts a curse to make your life miserable until the end of time itself, which means you then have to abandon your baby to an unknown world, to face god only knows what & you want to ‘give her another chance’ again…. I was totally with Charming on his opinion of Regina at that stage lol 😉Why would she immediately believe Hook, the guy who tried to kill her, over Rumple? Belle is on better terms with Hook now but at the time he’d just pointed a gun in her face so I can’t blame her for being all “your heart is rotten”.
If someone who obviously ‘knew’ my ‘boy friend’ from way back, told me (even in anger, because I was trespassing/ breaking & entering & trying to steal from him) that my boyfriend had murdered his ex wife- I would have been taken aback….. esp as I have 2 brain cells to knock together- as that would explain why 2 men whom seem to ‘know’, yet hate each other with all their hearts are feuding & if Rumple is her TL, should she not have been able to ‘feel’ the truth in the words.
That’s obviously not true because he doesn’t even tell her what he’s done.
Yep- cant tell you how many times I have typed sentences to that effect lol
I love Rumple’s wickedness and Gold’s quiet, very self assured darkness. It is a testament of Carlyle’s acting abilities that he appears to fit with Belle at all. She always “believes” in him but does he believe in her? Considering his easy lies, his respect for her is questionable. That may change (as in character arc) for her in season 4. We’ll see.
Good point that last one. S1, EF Rumple was one of my favs, by S2 I wasnt as overly interested in the Rumple & Gold arcs, just because Rumbelle seemed to me, to be stuck in making the ‘same choices when it comes to each other’ rut, which continued onto S3, where I simply missed quirky evil, (but admires Charming) Imp Rumple lol.
I do hope they drive the character of Rumple & Belle forward more next season.
Fans are entitled to embrace the characters they love, but without shredding some other character or attempting to make other fans feel like scum because they love someone else. Otherwise, they just look hateful and decidedly immature.
Agreed.
3B Hook impressed me greatly and it’s interesting to go back and watch old scenes of Hook with a new perspective especially scenes that I didn’t really like before.
I totally agree with you her POM- Even as a CS shipper, re watching old eps brings even deeper understanding to how clearly A&E laid it all out for us- sure most CS’ers picked up the over all points & direction the story was going in, but looking back, you really start to appreciate the additional nuances that become obvious with-in the story, when you know what the end of the season looks like- I gained additional insights on some well analyzed scenes & clarity on certain scenes I’d totally over looked on my rewatch of S2 & S3 🙂
Safe journeys Epona!!
Covering a few things:
You know, now that you brought it up, Jenna, the way certain fans have abused Jennifer Morrison is just more proof of how out of touch with reality they are about this St. Neal (and Swan Queen) obsession. They are oblivious to feeling shame. Go ahead, be joyous and adore Michael Raymond James, follow his career and applaud his future projects. just be mature about the Once FACT that Neal was not Emma’s match. Hook to Emma, now, as a new, accepted lover, had nothing to do with the failings of Neal in Emma’s eyes. Neal did that all on his own and it was already a decision of Emma’s heart to distrust and reject him before she ever set eyes on Hook. By all means, love Regina (I know I do) but in all honestly, the only couple Regina and Emma will be is the couple of strong and devoted women Henry knows as Mom. Celebrate what IS.
Talk on Jen! There is so much to love about Captain Swan already, here’s hoping we have dozens more great little moments to discuss in the coming season as their relationship is developed. It will be tough, still.
And yes, ellemo, you speak for me as well about Belle! I’ll say it once then not say it again. Belle is in eternal denial about and a blindly shallow enabler of Rumple. He’s a freaking nasty man who has done unfathomably murderous things. But his *true haaaaaht* excuses all??? Nah. But I wish them lots of luck.
For as nasty as Hook as behaved, and he has been nasty, he has also been clubbed in the back of the head, threatened with guns and knives, had hands plunged into his chest, knocked loopy with a compass, clocked in the face with moving beams…all by women, not to mentioned knocked over rocky cliffs to be torn to shreds by a deformed Malificent… This isn’t just one sided violence (grin)
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I didn’t expect Hook and Belle to be BFFs. Fair call, their previous meetings haven’t endeared him to her. My issue is just her blindness to what Rumpel has done. Even after everything she’d heard about the Dark One and what she herself has witnessed (ie Robin being tortured for days just for trying to steal a wand that wasn’t Rumpel’s in the first place), oh no it couldn’t be possible that Rumpel killed his wife for wanting to leave him, “because his heart is true”! In what realm is that statement remotely correct? I’m not saying there isn’t some good in him, but true? It’s putting Hook and Rumpel at polar opposites, which is very obvious they’re not considering five minutes later Rumpel tries to beat Hook to death with his cane, without Hook fighting back btw. But when Belle clocks that she interprets it as Hook trying to blacken Rumpel’s soul by taking his life. No Belle, the man is at the end of his tether, he wants to die. He doesn’t want to die to hurt Rumpel’s soul. She just frustrates me so much!
1000000% Agree- you said it WAY better than I did! *hands over Hookie cookie*
I’m just really hoping for some character growth this season- I will be very disappointed if Belle just rolls over on Rumple’s lies this time & Rumple doesnt really truly start to strive towards being ‘a better man’, he may genuinely love Belle, but it’s time for Belle to really & truly stand up to Rumple & hold him accountable- just like she did with Hook & Regina (the few times I enjoyed Belle in S3). I’m more cautious with Rumple- every time I get my hopes up that he’s moving forward, he back slides again.And I don’t know…I’ve said how I feel about Milah here before, but I really would put the majority of the blame for their situation on Rumple. The fact that really gives me that impression is that he refused to even try to make their lives better by moving somewhere where no one would know them–that night before she left, she gave him one last chance and he still refused to make an effort for her and their marriage after his actions caused them to become pariahs in their community.
Agreed & have a good trip to those who are away 🙂
Smoochies!!!!
I’m going away too! Safe travels to all 😀
For as nasty as Hook as behaved, and he has been nasty, he has also been clubbed in the back of the head, threatened with guns and knives, had hands plunged into his chest, knocked loopy with a compass, clocked in the face with moving beams…all by women, not to mentioned knocked over rocky cliffs to be torn to shreds by a deformed Malificent… This isn’t just one sided violence (grin)
Exactly! Sometimes I do wish he would actually speak up a little more than he does though. Regina got antsy about Hook handing her over to GOAT. I just wanted Hook to say, ‘well you did just try and feed me to Maleficent. I think we’re square.’
… but it’s time for Belle to really & truly stand up to Rumple & hold him accountable- just like she did with Hook & Regina (the few times I enjoyed Belle in S3). I’m more cautious with Rumple- every time I get my hopes up that he’s moving forward, he back slides again.
YES! That’s all I want Belle to do. And I was beginning to like her in 3B as well, perhaps b/c we weren’t seeing her as just an extension of Rumpel (and perhaps the writer’s had something for her to do) I don’t mind if they use her as town researcher, that’s her strength, no reason why the others can’t utilise that – that way it makes her an important piece to the evil-fighting clique. She worked out the time travelling thing, she worked out how to defeat that monster thing Philip was, she was the one who found Hook’s ship – so she’s clearly not stupid (when love isn’t involved)
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