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The hate in the OUAT is disgusting. My gosh, I even saw a post on tumblr that people are hating on Ginny because she gained a lot of weight. I’m like, seriously, what do you think happens when a woman get pregnant? They need to gain in order to help the baby grow. Anyone who doesn’t get this needs to pick up a book in biology and re-read that section on female pregnancy.
I try as much as possible to block it all out but yeah, there are some things I simply cannot ignore. I can’t stand the way Jen is treated by the haters whenever she talks pro-CS in interviews and says something negative about Neal, that the haters feel the need to attack her.
Sorry but real ‘so-called fans’ would not attack a human being like that for stating their honest opinion about their character and their relationships with other characters. I am seriously disgusted with anyone who participates in that kind of hate against Jen or anyone on the cast.
[adrotate group="5"]I’m sick to death of it too. It’s all ridiculous. I really hope baby Neal gets a nickname…
Right, now I am getting on a plane and will have lovely thoughts about Killian in his new clothes. 🙂
Edited to be a little more diplomatic
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
Jared is only on the panel at SDCC because Ginny can’t make it and quite possibly Henry may have actual storylines now that Jared is older.
A&E will probably be asked about killing off Neal (it’s inevitable really, it’s the one place where they can’t ignore the question) but I hope the question is asked in a more “what made you decide to kill off Neal? what prompted the decision? Why not revert Neal to Baelfire?” kind of way rather than a “How dare you kill off Neal!” kind of way. I’m fed up of hearing how Once has “jumped the shark” when it is nowhere near close to that point. Yes they made Snow a little bit dumb in 3B and naming the kid Neal was just wrong, as a middle name fine but not as a first name, but still Once is nowhere near to jumping the shark. I’d be interested to know that if the decision to kill off Neal was made between season 2 and 3, why bring Neal back for Neverland only to kill him off again when they had the perfect opportunity to kill off falling through the portal in season 2?
I read a theory somewhere that the reason why Rumple had such a hard time of it in season 3 (being separated from the Nevengers in Neverland, being under Zelena’s control)was because once he actually got his act together, the threat was dealt with rather quickly which is true (once he and Regina teamed up in Neverland, they saved Henry. Once he was no longer under Zelena’s control, he killed her). Rumple had to be taken out of the equation otherwise the problem would be resolved too quickly.
Hook will probably always get hate from some of the SF and SQ fans because of the fact that he was the one who was chosen by the writers to be the other half of Emma’s present day canon ship instead of Neal or Regina. SQ is never going to happen in the romantic sense because Regina is Emma’s step-grandmother and Snow still considers Regina family.
I’ll be interested in seeing some Hook and Henry bonding time in season 3. Henry is the perfect obstacle for CS. He’s not some big bad that can be fought, he’s Emma’s son.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixThe hate in the OUAT is disgusting. My gosh, I even saw a post on tumblr that people are hating on Ginny because she gained a lot of weight. I’m like, seriously, what do you think happens when a woman get pregnant? They need to gain in order to help the baby grow. Anyone who doesn’t get this needs to pick up a book in biology and re-read that section on female pregnancy.
I try as much as possible to block it all out but yeah, there are some things I simply cannot ignore. I can’t stand the way Jen is treated by the haters whenever she talks pro-CS in interviews and says something negative about Neal, that the haters feel the need to attack her.Sorry but real ‘so-called fans’ would not attack a human being like that for stating their honest opinion about their character and their relationships with other characters. I am seriously disgusted with anyone who participates in that kind of hate against Jen or anyone on the cast.
I’m sick to death of it too. It’s all ridiculous. I really hope baby Neal gets a nickname…
2nd these sentiments!
A&E will probably be asked about killing off Neal (it’s inevitable really, it’s the one place where they can’t ignore the question) but I hope the question is asked in a more “what made you decide to kill off Neal? what prompted the decision? Why not revert Neal to Baelfire?” kind of way rather than a “How dare you kill off Neal!” kind of way. I’m fed up of hearing how Once has “jumped the shark” when it is nowhere near close to that point. Yes they made Snow a little bit dumb in 3B and naming the kid Neal was just wrong, as a middle name fine but not as a first name, but still Once is nowhere near to jumping the shark. I’d be interested to know that if the decision to kill off Neal was made between season 2 and 3, why bring Neal back for Neverland only to kill him off again when they had the perfect opportunity to kill off falling through the portal in season 2?
I believe they’ve already answered that question a number of times:
When in mapping out Season 3 did you decide upon Neal’s fate?
ADAM HOROWITZ | It was pretty early on. And as soon as we realized where it was going to go — and it was not a decision that was made lightly — we talked to Michael and we all kind of huddled together to come up with the best way to do it.
EDDY KITSIS | We kind of started setting it up in Neverland; watching his father sacrifice his life had a profound effect on Neal. And what we really wanted to tell is: What happens when the kid who was always the moral compass loses his father [Rumplestiltskin], they make up and then he finds himself, like father like son, repeating that same obsessive quest to get back? But when [Neal] realized there was a price to be paid, he didn’t run from it, he did it, so that his son [Henry] would see him as a hero the way that he eventually came to see his father.Moving forward, what storytelling pros outweighed the cons?
HOROWITZ | It was a storytelling choice but one that was made in the context of the larger story we’re trying to tell. When you’re telling a serialized show, you reach a point where you see the avenue it’s leading you towards and what’s going to happen there. You then have a choice – you can try to resist it and do something that doesn’t feel organic, or you can be true to it, even if it’s painful. And that’s what we did. We leave it to you and the audience to judge how you feel about it, but for us as storytellers, that was where it felt like it had to go. We didn’t want it to be exploitative, we didn’t want it to be about shock, that’s why it wasnt in the promos…. It was something we wanted to be emotional and real.A few of the questions asked in this interview http://tvline.com/2014/03/31/once-upon-a-time-neal-dies-michael-raymond-james-burning-questions/
Why did you decide to kill off Neal?
Eddy Kitsis: Well, you know, it was part of the larger story we’ve been trying to tell with all of our characters and the family that is Once Upon a Time.
Adam Horowitz: What we were really telling, when you look at the story of Neal and Emma and his father Rumplestiltskin, is when he was a young boy, he tried to get his dad off magic and out of his evil ways. He always felt his dad was not a hero. And then as we showed you in the winter finale, those two actually came together, and the father actually sacrificed himself for his son. What we liked was the idea of history repeating itself and Neal going down the same path as his father. He was just as obsessive to get to his own family, and then realizing that mistake and having the father repeating the same heroic thing for his son, as his father did for him. That’s the long way of saying it. …….
AH: We’ve always said from day one, magic has a price, and you saw it. Rumple could not just come back and Neal gets out of it.Quotes taken from some of the questions here http://ca.eonline.com/news/526853/once-upon-a-time-bosses-reveal-their-reasons-for-killing-off-spoiler-plus-what-s-next-for-emma-s-love-life
The only way Once has Jumped the shark is if the fans have jumped their own sharks & decided that Neal was the be all & end all of OUAT, that he is essentially the whole show & everyone & thing revolved around him & him alone. This also applies to some of ‘interpretations’ of SQ of the show & it’s messages- I dont really know how many times it needs to be said (infinite is probably far short of the number required sadly), that Once is an ensemble cast, it is Not a one-man-band show & thats the bottom line.
Hook will probably always get hate from some of the SF and SQ fans because of the fact that he was the one who was chosen by the writers to be the other half of Emma’s present day canon ship instead of Neal or Regina. SQ is never going to happen in the romantic sense because Regina is Emma’s step-grandmother and Snow still considers Regina family.
Sadly I have to agree with you here- haters are going to hate & if months after the fact they are still harping on like cracked records, with the same ridiculous rubbish as ‘reasons & justification’ for their hate, then I doubt anything will change it, like you say- sour grapes because Killy is with Emma & Neal or Regina are not.
I’ll be interested in seeing some Hook and Henry bonding time in season 3.
Yes, I want this as well- so badly! 😀
Henry is the perfect obstacle for CS. He’s not some big bad that can be fought, he’s Emma’s son.
I guess he is if they want to do the same old, same old. But honestly I think Henry isnt some bratty Teen/kid anymore, who’d get in the way of his mother’s possible love/relationship. Henry has only experienced Emma in a happy relationship once, he knows what Neal did to her now & he knows why Emma is very closed off to ‘relationships’ in general. He loved spending time with Killian, asking to be with him over Grumpy or Snowing, now he has all his memories back, has his 2 mothers (both whom have proven without a shadow of a doubt, that he is their TL), I would be sorely disappointed if A&E had Henry drop back into a whiny little kid again…. & I think a good hint that that wont be the case, was Henry ‘looking at a place for Emma to live “close to the water” After he had his memories back, he wants to live with both his Mum’s & both his Mum’s now have boyfriends (sort-of 😉 ), Henry has the “heart of the truest believer,” so innately & wholeheartedly believes in TL & Good winning over evil etc. Plus he’s not blind, I think pretty much everyone in SB knows Killian & Emma ‘have a thing’ for each other 😉
Sorry about the venting, again. But our little threads’ responses always make me feel a lot better! 🙂
Haha, yeah, think we’ve gotten the answers we’re going to get about Neal’s death. Whether a viewer agrees it was executed well, or necessary, or bold is up to each person’s interpretation, but we’ve been told a number of times what the writers’ reasoning for it was. What drives me nuts is the inability to be satisfied with answers, or to knee jerk respond – ‘Neal is dead and they’ll never discuss him again’ / ‘how DARE they say that about Neal?’ and ‘I know SQ is fanon but it’s hard when there’s so little action canon couples (I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly)’ / ‘how DARE they say SQ isn’t canon!’…that’s what drives me nuts. The ‘jumped the shark’ stuff…yeah, no comment.
Surayya:
I guess he is if they want to do the same old, same old. But honestly I think Henry isnt some bratty Teen/kid anymore, who’d get in the way of his mother’s possible love/relationship. Henry has only experienced Emma in a happy relationship once, he knows what Neal did to her now & he knows why Emma is very closed off to ‘relationships’ in general. He loved spending time with Killian, asking to be with him over Grumpy or Snowing, now he has all his memories back, has his 2 mothers (both whom have proven without a shadow of a doubt, that he is their TL), I would be sorely disappointed if A&E had Henry drop back into a whiny little kid again…. & I think a good hint that that wont be the case, was Henry ‘looking at a place for Emma to live “close to the water” After he had his memories back, he wants to live with both his Mum’s & both his Mum’s now have boyfriends (sort-of
), Henry has the “heart of the truest believer,” so innately & wholeheartedly believes in TL & Good winning over evil etc. Plus he’s not blind, I think pretty much everyone in SB knows Killian & Emma ‘have a thing’ for each other Yeah, I don’t think Henry is going to be a problem in CS’ relationship. After they spent so much time getting Emma to understand what the concept of home and family really means, it would be out of character for the ‘Truest Believer’ to suddenly turn his back on his mother and Killy. Henry understands the concept of non-traditional families better than anyone. Yes, he wanted his parents together when he first met Neal – what kid doesn’t immediately think that? But he’s also at an age where he understands that what looks good on paper isn’t always that way in reality. (I remember being Henry’s age and being told my parents were separating – my reaction initially was the expected upset/sadness/anger…followed extremely quickly by ‘thank GOD’) People want to go on and on and on about Emma/Neal/Henry being family and that’s why they belong together etc etc etc…yes, they were family. Biologically. But Neal was around for about a total of 2 weeks before he died…so yes, you can be upset that Henry and Neal didn’t get a chance to be father/son (I am) but I don’t see how Hook is sweeping in and ‘taking Neal’s family’ (yep, saw that comment AGAIN just the other day), because the fact of the matter is, if Neal had wanted that family (or at least Emma) he gave up that chance 1st when he let Emma go to jail (spin it however you want, it’s what happened) and then a 2nd time when he didn’t go to SB after getting August’s postcard AND A 3RD TIME when he fell in love with & planned on spending his life with SOMEONE ELSE!! End. Of. Story. And End. Of. Rant. 🙂
I do stand by my opinion that Emma and Hook will be Emma and Hook’s biggest obstacles. They are so alike yet so different in so many ways, they don’t need Henry or someone else coming in between, they have enough on their plate navigating this relationship.
I do stand by my opinion that Emma and Hook will be Emma and Hook’s biggest obstacles. They are so alike yet so different in so many ways, they don’t need Henry or someone else coming in between, they have enough on their plate navigating this relationship.
Yep, this is pretty much sums up my feeling on that front as well 🙂
Good morning all 🙂
No new CS news but here’s concept art for Emma bar wench dress from the season 3 finale.
Costume Design from Emma (@jenmorrisonlive) for Season 3 of #OUAT by Eduardo Castro. pic.twitter.com/e4OhXTkMnv
— Casting La Serie (@castinglaserie) July 11, 2014
It would be nice if the concept art for Hook’s Prince outfit were available too.
sorry you had a bad day yesterday @Jenna_B. I don’t think SFers and SQers will ever get enough of hating on how things are now. My attitude when I read the crap that’s out there is “MEH”. Don’t really care. Hate all you want if it makes you happier, but those haters are still watching and following the spoilers so its a win-win for A and E and the show.
Fat shaming Ginny is beyond reprehensible!! I’ve had two kids and I can attest to how hard it is to loose the baby weight, esp when you’re drained from sleepless nights and feedings. So easy to criticize what other people look like when you hide behind a computer and no one can see what YOU look like. Lovely, we get the award for being the most critical fandom ever!
I am actually enjoying the rants, today (grin) They come from a place of strength and not defense.
If the St. Neal brigade (and any SQ belligerents) can’t handle the “fictional” truth, the Captain-Swanners aren’t responsible for being apologetic about their own love story and enabling the acceptance of the braindead hate. I spent twenty wasted minutes on Tumblr reading through some thread- linked hateful blog comments and the shallow, ignorant mindset of some hideously immature viewers of Once. They aren’t original in their wallowing spew. They are predictable. They are infected, but not infectious. Our joy should never be based in any way on their wretchedness.
Nutshell time:
Neal is dead. And gone. And over. And it served A&E’s story. They paid sincere tribute to him on the show, which was whiningly rejected. A&E needn’t say one more word because their words aren’t respected by that same denial brigade. But more importantly as pointed out above :), it has been said enough. Ad nauseam. No, the. Once. world. isn’t. about. Neal.
It also isn’t about Regina and Emma as a romantic couple. They aren’t gay. Fans can joyfully and creatively fuel the romance in erotic fan fic to their engaging hearts content. And more power to them. But as written by the creators of the show, Regina and Emma are a strong female couple… of Moms, for Henry. Trying to bully and threaten other characters/actors/writers about it is seriously damaging SQ fans’ stance.
Henry adores Hook and vice versa. They make a great duo.
Yup! Agree. Hook and Emma will continue to be a head butting, passionate couple who indeed, are their own biggest obstacle. It has never truly been about anyone else around them since the first day they set eyes on each other. It has always been about battling each other’s hearts, fears, stubbornness, internal walls.
Be Happy in Hookdom, Swanners!!!!
***Always in search of a good flock***
Colin will also be a part of another SDCC panel, it looks like immediately following the Once panel (ends 20 minutes before in the same ballroom).
TV Guide magazine returns to San Diego for its annual all-star panel. Moderated by senior writer Damian Holbrook, Fan Favorites brings together stars from TV’s hottest shows for a lively discussion filled with behind-the-scenes scoop. Panelists (subject to change) include Misha Collins (Supernatural), Sam Heughan (Outlander), Colin O’Donoghue (Once Upon a Time), Aisha Tyler (Archer), and others.
Saturday July 26, 2014 12:00pm – 12:45pm
Ballroom 20http://comiccon2014.sched.org/event/53717268aff8e224076c156d43c34f27#.U8GIN41dXqi
More awesome things JMo said at Oz Con
"…and he might really be what he says and follow through with it – which I think is a scary thing in life…" JMo on #CaptainSwan
— Nina (@IpreferKillian) July 12, 2014
"And so her choice in kissing him came from a realisation that she might be safe with this person" JMo on #CaptainSwan
— Nina (@IpreferKillian) July 12, 2014
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