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The Dullard or the Dashing Rapscallion?? There is NO comparison necessary @ellemo (neener-neener grin). (Bo Peep dances around the message board twirling her staff like a majorette and doing a rapscallion worshipping jig) He had us , me HEARTies (and Emma) at “Yo Ho”
True true, but some people need to be shown what an absolute box of hair He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named actually is. 😉
LOL leave enough rum for us! 😛
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The Dullard or the Dashing Rapscallion?? There is NO comparison necessary @ellemo (neener-neener grin). (Bo Peep dances around the message board twirling her staff like a majorette and doing a rapscallion worshipping jig) He had us , me HEARTies (and Emma) at “Yo Ho”
I LOVE the way you phrase things!! Right on the money @Bo_Peeps Dashing Rapscallion wins every time 🙂
I guess that’s because I don’t really see him as either ‘Hook’ or ‘Killian’ right now – he’s trying to figure out who he wants to be, and I think the ‘true’ person is a combination of both ‘Killian’ and ‘Hook’….he believes in Good Form and is now assessing what that means and really working to become a better person. But threaten someone he loves and I think he’ll be downright vicious. That’s what I’d like to see with Killian – I want to see his relationships with people other than Emma grow – I want more Captain Charming, Captain Cobra…haha, I would love a somewhat awkward exchange with him and Snow. And I want more emphasis on the fact that Killian’s not just changing for Emma. Emma was simply his inspiration, that ‘nudge’ he needed to truly change his ways and become a better person, but I think the desire to do so has been there, brewing under the surface, even since we first met him – hence his disgust when Cora killed an entire settlement, saving Aurora’s heart from falling in the portal, throwing the swordfight…
He’s been Hook for centuries so he’d forgotten what it was to be a truly honourable man, and not just a pirate. I love his line in 312 to Snow in the EF something along the lines of “my lady, I’ve always been a pirate”. I thing a lot of Hookers (well, me anyway) heard that and thought, no, Killian you were not always a pirate. Funny how it took a motley group of strangers from SB to show him that. Jared mentioned in an interview at CC that even he would like to see more Captain Cobra scenes. That’s one relationship I would really like to see the writers develop and not just as part of the CS storyline but as its own entity
I’ve seen many comparisons between the two but for some reason that set just hits home!! This is EXACTLY why our pirate is awesome! The ‘superpower’ one especially – that is one of the few things we’ve seen Emma take pride in — DON’T take it away from her to suit your own needs (and she was right wasn’t she, buddy?!) I love that one of the few times Hook brings it up he’s talking to her about it seriously and showing her not only does he agree she’s got an excellent BS radar but he’s imploring her to use it.
surayya! If I am bear approved, then that has made my day 🙂 (where do you find those great gifs? That one really made me laugh out loud!)
Hook may not always have been a pirate, but he has always been a man of the sea and he has always lived by a CODE. Honor among thieves and all that. His struggle has been losing the pain, the anger and regaining the hope. He isn’t quite there, which is as it should be. His love for Emma is strong and determined, but you can see the depth of emotions(and temperament) he still can feel.
And love has always been an important part of his soul or losing Milah wouldn’t have made such a huge impact of his life. He may exchange the coat for something more modern in Storybrooke but he MUST MUST still do something that attaches him to the sea. He may regain his hand, but he can still, when needed, swing a potent sword and be heroic to the max. I’m good with whatever they chose to do with his hook/clothes as long as they still keep him connected to his seafaring soul.
***Always in search of a good flock***
Hmm, allow me to preface this post by saying that I definitely didn’t intend for this to be such a long and rant-y post, so I’m sorry about that, and I will certainly understand if no one actually reads it all! I also wanted to react to the big possible spoiler in this post, but I think I’ll have to do that in another one…
I love those GIF comparison things–I’ve seen a couple of versions on Tumblr lately, and it just really brings home how they never really could’ve gotten back together. I mean in “Manhattan”, the first time we see them together in the present, it sure didn’t seem like Neal was being set up as a potential love interest at all…First he irrationally gets mad at her for bringing his father to him, then tells her “If I had [known who you were], I wouldn’t have gone near you”, and then nearly makes her break a deal with his father (despite telling him a few minutes later “I’ve seen what you do to people who break deals”). And then my favorite part of that whole thing has to be that speech Neal gave to Rumple about how he (Rumple) had messed up so badly and abandoned Bae and there was no way he (Neal) was going to let his father back into his life…And yet when Emma points out that he did the same thing to her (and arguably it was worse because while Rumple spent hundreds of years trying to get to his son, Neal didn’t even try to go back to Emma even after he got August’s post card), he just dismisses it by saying “Okay, I get it; we’re all messed up,” like it’s no big deal. Just…the hypocrisy, I can’t.
And that “Yeah, well, he’s my kid too so you don’t get to make that decision by yourself anymore” regarding Henry. Seriously? He had no right to say that. If you intentionally disappear after allowing your ex-girlfriend, with whom you’ve recently had (probably unsafe) sex, to be imprisoned for your crimes, then I’d think you forfeit any kind of parental rights. It’s not like she could have contacted him from prison to let him know about Henry, and honestly the possibility of a pregnancy probably should’ve crossed Neal’s mind at some point because there’s always that chance.
And heck, Neal didn’t know it at the time, but technically Emma wouldn’t have had any legal rights to Henry either (although also if we’re going by the letter of the law Regina would be in jail for murder, attempted murder, unlawful imprisonment, etc., so she would’ve lost custody anyway) because Emma had given Henry up for adoption. She did that because she didn’t believe she was capable of being a mother, having just been used and discarded (as far as she knew) by said child’s father. So no, Neal’s the one who shouldn’t have been able to make any kind of decisions for Henry.
Of course I get that, after knowing the whole story, it was the right thing to do to leave it up to Henry whether he spent any time with his father and that he wasn’t the terrible person that Emma would have thought he was. And no, Emma shouldn’t have lied to Henry about who his father was–although really, if she’d been completely honest with him, I feel like Henry’s first reaction upon meeting Neal would’ve been a very negative one since all he would have known about the man was that he’d left his mother pregnant and in jail for his crime, leaving her feeling so broken that she’d had to give Henry up for adoption.
Sorry for the long rant that really has very little to do with CS (well, I’ll quick make the connection–like I said earlier, Neal’s first present-day interaction with Emma sure didn’t seem like the beginning of a love story, and I can’t help but compare that to Hook’s dynamic with her in “Tallahassee”, which definitely did give off that vibe despite ending on a decidedly sour note). I think one reason I feel rather strongly about this stuff is that the opening scene of season 3, where Emma is shackled to the hospital bed while giving birth and then won’t even allow herself to look at her son because she’s sure she’s not good enough for him and has to give him up so he can have a good life, is for me easily one of the–if not the–most heartbreaking and affecting scenes in the whole series.
I agree with all of that. It’s really disturbing to me when I read comments about that opening scene in 3A is meant to be seen as something romantic because it’s not.
It just reminds me what a crappy situation Neal and August put her in and it makes me mad at them for doing it. And I feel really bad for Emma too because Henry could have been her happy ending at that point.
And I’m glad Adam and Eddy dealt with the what if scenario in 3a winter finale. Emma needed that chance to see what her life could have been like if she kept Henry and the fact that we meet Walsh in 3b premiere just shows it wasn’t Neal Emma couldn’t get over losing; it was losing Henry.
I agree with all of that. It’s really disturbing to me when I read comments about that opening scene in 3A is meant to be seen as something romantic because it’s not.
Really? People think that’s romantic? How? That makes no sense. Although you’d think I’d be used to some areas of the fandom making no sense.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
surayya! If I am bear approved, then that has made my day (where do you find those great gifs? That one really made me laugh out loud!)
Lol, thought you’d like that 😉 My mind works in weird ways… finding a stick twirling bear-no worries …. find orginal CS gif sets- now that stuff be hard work lol 😛 😉
Totally agree Epona & obisgirl
Now this interview is VERY, VERY interesting…
I think I just got more excited for S4 😀
I agree with all of that. It’s really disturbing to me when I read comments about that opening scene in 3A is meant to be seen as something romantic because it’s not.
Really? People think that’s romantic? How? That makes no sense. Although you’d think I’d be used to some areas of the fandom making no sense.
I think it’s because a lot of SF fans believe that since Henry is the truest believer that also makes him a byproduct of true love. Adam and Eddy have never really explained the connection. When Baby Neal was born, I think his birth produced the rainbow affect but with Emma, all it did was make the lights flicker. It’s hard to say.
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