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I agree with you again @jenna_b 🙂 Plus, as Adam and Eddy said ‘true love’ and ‘soulmates’ they’re still in flux, which means ever changing and evolving. I think we’re going to see next season, at least with Outlaw Queen that these two ideas will eventually merge and collide in a big way.
I mean, you can call Snowing ‘soulmates’ since their only love (romantically) is for each other. It doesn’t really change anything, IMO. I still think you can have a familial true love and a romantic true love and they’re both true love. If that proves right with Captain Swan or Outlaw Queen, who knows but as soon as one of them happens, it happens.
I also think there is a blurry distinction between true love and truly loving someone. I think you can truly someone but that other person is not your true love. Regina truly loved Daniel, I seriously have no doubt of that but he was never referenced as her true love. (I know, I researched and researched and the closest thing I got was Mark Isham’s soundtrack).
Over all, everything blends together when it comes to love, especially in its various forms and I love that. It makes the show more worldly and — it is awesome and good fodder for my true love meta. Not going to lie about that but it is.
[adrotate group="5"]It’s an interesting discussion, the difference – and if there is one – between ‘True Love’ and ‘Soul Mates’… and I guess I can see how it can work some up into a frenzy. We’ve seen it all since SDCC – people who argue the writers are retconning, others who are infuriated that the comment implies one ship is better than the other. I’ve seen comments from non-CSers, ‘cautioning’ us that CS hasn’t been proven as TL or Soul Mates so they still might not be…blah blah.
But ultimately, though the discussion (minus the mudslinging and outrage over words) is definitely interesting, I really don’t care to know if CS is TL, Soul Mates, or anything else. Because for me it’s about the journey – I’ve loved their story since their first scene! Their relationship has it’s serious moments, deep moments, angsty moments…but it’s also just plain fun…I’m not so sure the other ships can say that… So I don’t care if/when we get TLK, or if it’s even ‘canon’ that they are TL. The thing I really came away from SDCC besides Soul Mategate, with is that the actors that play Emma and Hook are EXCITED about their story. So what I know is you can sling whatever argument, anger, accusation at me, I know I’m in for a fun ride.
Have a coconut & Hookie cookie
Ooo thanks muchly! I am fast becoming addicted to Hookie Cookies, and Coconut oil is great for my (fluffs it) hair. (heh)
though A&E’s answer was awkward and really, they should have been prepared for it, when it comes down to it I don’t think they’re attempting to ‘retcon’ anything and for me, their answer changes nothing about the story they’ve been telling since Day 1.
Yup yup yup yup yup Jenna. Just another piqayune thing that will be held against them by some to pass the time before they can be piqayune about something else!!
It makes the show more worldly
Yeah, it does. Along with all the cartoonish characters and now, the spector of Frozen animation coming to real life looming ahead of them for Season 4, they still maintain an adult level of angst and emotional torture/love/souls/trauma/darkness that can appeal to the more drama-mature members of the fandom.
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True Love definitely isn’t just romantic love, as both SB curses were broken by the True Love Kiss of a mother for her son. However I would say that Snow and Charming are perhaps the epitome of True Love and that’s why their love is so strong (and they do share a heart now). Rumpel said he didn’t realise the power of Twoo Wuv until Milah came back to save Killian. So there must be something in True Love that sets it apart from Soul Mates. It has to be reciprocated equally on both sides maybe, so that would rule out any infatuations you perceive as True Love if the other person/animal/inanimate object doesn’t return your love. Perhaps Soul Mates is the person who you are destined to be with (in conjunction with True Love??). Regina saw Robin’s tattoo pretty early on (before Marian was about?) she ran away and didn’t act on it. However all events in her life still lead her to Robin. With that reasoning Snowing would also be Soul Mates as even when Hook & Emma messed up their meeting, it really didn’t take much to get their story back on track because they were always meant to be together. With that I think I’ve just confused myself. So I’ll just stick to using them as interchangeable terms. 😉
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Fun stuff! Don’t worry; this post isn’t quite as long or nearly as rant-y as my last one. 😉
Re: anyone thinking that opening scene of S3 is remotely romantic? Wow. That scene almost made me cry, and I don’t cry very easily at TV shows (and I don’t have any kids or anything either so it wasn’t like I was connecting with it on that level). Brilliant acting on Jennifer Morrison’s part, though!
That whole True Love vs Soulmate thing…I kinda thought people were taking it a bit too seriously, to be honest. I mean, for one thing, defining soulmates as “the idea that there’s one person for you” doesn’t sound like a very firm, law-of-magic kind of definition to me, more of an opinion thing. And in “Quite a Common Fairy”, Regina mentions finding ANOTHER soulmate during her first conversation with Tinker Bell. She clearly considered Daniel her soulmate, and apparently so is Robin. Either Regina was wrong or the whole exclusive aspect of soulmates isn’t exactly written in stone. I think True Love is still the be-all and end-all of powerful magic in the show. And surely soulmates can share True Love; some people seem to think he meant that the two are mutually exclusive but I don’t think that’s what he was saying (nor would that make any sense).
Or maybe one of the important distinctions is that True Love doesn’t just happen–you have to grow to love someone–while soulmates are fixed and unchanging. Perhaps a soulmate is a kind of relationship that just exists between two people, like a parent and child or a brother and sister…and it doesn’t equate to instant, guaranteed True Love the same way blood relationships don’t; it just increases the odds and ease of developing True Love. Surely Emma and Henry didn’t have True Love as soon as they met despite having a clear blood relationship; they had to develop it. And obviously there was no True Love between Rumple and Malcolm despite being father and son, but we know for sure that Regina and Henry have parent-child True Love even without the blood tie. Maybe that also means that two people can romantically fall in True Love even if they aren’t soulmates, even if it might be more difficult. I don’t know, that theory just kind of evolved while I was writing this, haha.
ETA: And now I just noticed that someone finally started a general thread on the subject. Whoops. Perhaps I’ll just go over there and re-post those last paragraphs!
Major CS Spoiler Alert: http://www.eonline.com/videos/224613/ouat-creators-tease-frozen-cross-over-surprises
Hook and Emma go on a proper date. I wonder if that is why Hook got new clothes.
As for the whole True Love/Soul Mate discussion, I don’t think Eddie and Adam gave it much thought so the answer was rambling and non-sensical.
Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.
Major CS Spoiler Alert: http://www.eonline.com/videos/224613/ouat-creators-tease-frozen-cross-over-surprises Hook and Emma go on a proper date. I wonder if that is why Hook got new clothes. As for the whole True Love/Soul Mate discussion, I don’t think Eddie and Adam gave it much thought so the answer was rambling and non-sensical.
Haha, love Colin photo-bombing A&Es interview & agreed.
Hehe this is a great Colin interview (Colin really did like Emma’s wench costume :P)
http://www.eonline.com/videos/224611/colin-o-donoghue-challenges-christopher-walken
Colin believes that Emma is Hook’s soulmate.
Given Adam and Eddy’s definition, it means that Hook believes that Emma is the only person for him and I think we’ve seen that on the show.
In the lost year, he turned down the bar wench his crew hired to give him a good night. He remained loyal to Emma even though he didn’t think there was a possibility he could or might see her again. And he would continue to love Emma even if Emma didn’t return his feelings. He loves people he cares immensely for even if the other person doesn’t immideatly return those feelings.
Adam and Eddy’s definition doesn’t really change anything. Was that the only place where that question was asked? I still need to watch or listen to the other interviews.
@surayya and @sweetgrass, thanks for posting those two interviews! As for the date, he’s seen how Emma dresses for a date in 312 so I really hope he goes all out with a nice suit (not leather!) and brings flowers 🙂
Knowing that Killian was brought as a gentleman and a lieutenant, I wouldn’t be surprised if he showed up at Emma’s apartment with flowers. I’m counting on it. I think she’ll find that her definition of dating and his definition are worlds apart. I can see him being more courtly in the way he approaches Emma and that’s not something she’s used to. So I can see why it might scare her at first.
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