The Captain Swan thread!

[surayya]

Quite enjoyed this fanvid – https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TYry0lzitxM so thought I’d share 🙂

[jasminegirl84]

@Surayya wrote:

Quite enjoyed this fanvid – https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TYry0lzitxM so thought I’d share 🙂

Thanks for sharing that video, Surayya! It was absolutely fantastic and great choice of scene placements. I LOVE IT. Many feels.

Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."

[surayya]

Yeah, there’s another one I really like, which I dl’ed to my desktop, but blowed if I can find it on youtube now 😕

[surayya]

Just saw this Neal/Charming parallel on tumblr for Tallahassee- we’ve pretty much done the CS/Snowing parallels to death so I wont re-post those 😉 This parallel adds to CS, so those still unsure don’t panic 😉

celticmoonbeams: The flashbacks w/Neal clearly are for contrast w/Killian & showing why Emma does what she does in the end. Showing the emotional damage inflicted on her & establishing what she really needs. But, there’s also something else. Neal is Emma’s Abigail/Kathryn. Emma met Neal at a point in her life where she was just trying to survive like Charming was when Rumple came to his farm & got him to take the place of his dead twin brother. While Emma developed feelings for Neal, it was born out of necessity. Neal saving both of them from the cop, the Bonnie & Clyde act for survival, the wanting to settle down for a home in Tallahassee. All are parallels to the deal that Charming got into. To save the farm & kingdom (his home aka the settling down in Tallahassee & establishing a home), the gold promised for slaying the dragon (for the survival of the people of the kingdom & the farm aka the thieving for survival), the hand of Abigail thrown into the mix (a marriage/relationship that’s forged for said survival aka how Emma & Neal even met), the dream of Charming’s to marry for love & love alone (aka the dream of Emma’s for a home & the dreamcatcher). As it had been for cursed Charming where his relationship to Kathryn was based on duty, that’s the parallel to Neal. It’s based on the duty to Henry as Neal’s his father.

I hadn’t really thought about the flashbacks in this context, very interesting take on them 🙂
full post here – http://celticmoonbeams.tumblr.com/post/40355734674/tallahasse-episode-analysis-a-giant-cs-snowing-parallel

[jasminegirl84]

@Surayya wrote:

Yeah, there’s another one I really like, which I dl’ed to my desktop, but blowed if I can find it on youtube now 😕

Grrr. That’s gotta be aggravating.

@Surayya wrote:

Just saw this Neal/Charming parallel on tumblr for Tallahassee- we’ve pretty much done the CS/Snowing parallels to death so I wont re-post those 😉 This parallel adds to CS, so those still unsure don’t panic 😉

celticmoonbeams: The flashbacks w/Neal clearly are for contrast w/Killian & showing why Emma does what she does in the end. Showing the emotional damage inflicted on her & establishing what she really needs. But, there’s also something else. Neal is Emma’s Abigail/Kathryn. Emma met Neal at a point in her life where she was just trying to survive like Charming was when Rumple came to his farm & got him to take the place of his dead twin brother. While Emma developed feelings for Neal, it was born out of necessity. Neal saving both of them from the cop, the Bonnie & Clyde act for survival, the wanting to settle down for a home in Tallahassee. All are parallels to the deal that Charming got into. To save the farm & kingdom (his home aka the settling down in Tallahassee & establishing a home), the gold promised for slaying the dragon (for the survival of the people of the kingdom & the farm aka the thieving for survival), the hand of Abigail thrown into the mix (a marriage/relationship that’s forged for said survival aka how Emma & Neal even met), the dream of Charming’s to marry for love & love alone (aka the dream of Emma’s for a home & the dreamcatcher). As it had been for cursed Charming where his relationship to Kathryn was based on duty, that’s the parallel to Neal. It’s based on the duty to Henry as Neal’s his father.

I hadn’t really thought about the flashbacks in this context, very interesting take on them 🙂
full post here – http://celticmoonbeams.tumblr.com/post/40355734674/tallahasse-episode-analysis-a-giant-cs-snowing-parallel

Ahh, very interesting indeed. I have heard people make references to Neal as Emma’s Abigail/Kathryn, but not quite in this way or this in-depth. I think this is a great parallel and one we would easily fail to see unless we take a closer look at pairings and what has happened between them. On the theme of duty, I felt it was a duty for Emma and Neal to say “I love you” before he got sucked into the portal. We have discussed this before, but not in this light. It was rather a formality of sorts to bring closure to his “passing.” It was more of a “I’m sorry” and “goodbye” than “I love you.” The way Neal also says it is rather meh. Almost like how a parent would say it to a child in response.

Thanks for sharing this!

Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."

[surayya]

Wow, I’ve been taking note of all the direct Snowing/CS parallels & I’m up to 20 so far! Hook-Killian/Emma parallels is 12 & counting- not bad considering they’ve not had heaps of scene time together this season 😉

[obisgirl]

@Jasminegirl84 wrote:

Ahh, very interesting indeed. I have heard people make references to Neal as Emma’s Abigail/Kathryn, but not quite in this way or this in-depth. I think this is a great parallel and one we would easily fail to see unless we take a closer look at pairings and what has happened between them. On the theme of duty, I felt it was a duty for Emma and Neal to say “I love you” before he got sucked into the portal. We have discussed this before, but not in this light. It was rather a formality of sorts to bring closure to his “passing.” It was more of a “I’m sorry” and “goodbye” than “I love you.” The way Neal also says it is rather meh. Almost like how a parent would say it to a child in response.

Thanks for sharing this!

Hmm, interesting indeed.

[MysteryKat25]

Just found this interesting thought regarding Neal being the past and Hook being the future so thought I’d share! Courtesy of onceuponamirror on tumblr:

One thing i love is how, in terms of Emma, Hook is always referring to the future, whereas Neal constantly harks on and atones the past. This is obvious in the structure of both “romance origin” episodes, where Neal is a flashback and Hook is the present, but it’s also exemplified through dialogue.

“WhenI jab you with my sword”
“Everything we need is right in front of us”
“Next time don’t stand on ceremony”
“Try something new”

It’s an interesting notion because when we’ve seen Hook lament the emptiness of his revenge, he said that he has nothing to look forward to—but when he speaks to Emma, he is doing exactly that. And she confirms it in the finale, when she tells him that he can be a part of something.

I tweet Adam occasionally, especially if he’s getting lots of Hook hate but try not to be pushy, just thankful for the awesome pairing. Doubt he’ll respond to many shippers with how heated things get but maybe someday I’ll catch him at just the right time. Still nice to let him know that CS people are out there too, especially when he’s one of the main ones that gave us hints / teases that it was ok to hope for them. Why must the summer be so long??

Looking forward to seeing these lists of parallels! I haven’t started my analysis-driven rewatch yet but look forward to it! We’re all bound to notice / come across different things but it sounds like the lists that have been started have lots of good stuff on them so far! It’ll be nice to have it all in 1 place and have official stuff to point to rather than “he’s so hot” and “look at how he looks at her” interpretations (as much as I love those, people read different things into looks, so quotes, screenshots, etc hold more weight) and if I’m told I’m a shallow person and that’s the only possible reason I could like Hook one more time I’ll scream! It’s all there for a reason, can’t wait to see just how long that list gets!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[obisgirl]

I’m so conflicted right now. I’ve been working on perfecting two new VERY sexy CS manips and I also started writing a new CS fanfic based on those manips 😆 so, now I’m wondering, should I go ahead and share the manips or wait until I finish writing the fanfic?

what do you all think?

[MysteryKat25]

I just tweeted Adam for clarification but doubt I’ll get a response. People are jumping on the way he answered one of his previous tweets assuming that he means SwanFire are endgame but his wording made it sound like he knew the answer but wouldn’t say (especially since he ended it with #nospoilers) and he would be silly to actually say.

I know since SSTTR people are assuming that SF is endgame, but everything with ASOTM – especially with the added info that he apparently knows the direction things are going in now FOR endgame….I’m inclined to disagree and say they’re blatantly setting up CS now. With all of the parallels and symbolism we’ve seen and listed I don’t see HOW that’s a “delusional” way of viewing it.

I can play devil’s advocate til I’m blue in the face but with the finale I just don’t see how anybody can be 100% certain it’s SF at this point. They’re either setting up 1 heck of a perfect triangle or they’re trying to very slowly lead us down the CS path and people are gonna be very upset thinking they teased SF because apparently saying I love you when you think the person you loved a decade ago is dying = I’m in love with you now and will be forever even after a lot of rotten stuff.

That’s ignoring ALL of the CS parallels etc that we have been so carefully looking over, as well as the bookending the season with Neal not coming back and Hook coming back along with the bean symbolism and all of the quotes from season 1 about Emma not reverting etc. I was happy to see yesterday during Ginny’s live-tweet #AskGinny session that when somebody asked her who she shipped Emma with she said: “I want her to be with the person who helps her to become her best version of herself. (That was a lot of “her’s.”)”

I’m wondering if people on the show are being a little more careful now because they’ve been asked to or if they’re changing their minds or just trying to be pleasing to all fans with a diplomatic answer during live sessions (probably the diplomatic thing). At PaleyFest I felt more people had strong opinions on the matter (especially Ginny) and then I noticed it between interviews for MRJ even. In one interview he was saying there’s still hope for SF and then in the very next interview (all came out that week, not sure how much actual time between there was but this was before ASOTM aired…) he was all about shipping FAMILY for Bae and “not wanting to paint any writers into a corner” which sounded a little more diplomatic.

I doubt the finale changed many minds for anyone so hopefully next season will. I just don’t see how, if they KNOW what they’re planning to do down the line, that ALL of the planted clues are red herrings. This isn’t a murder mystery novel. They don’t HAVE to put clues, red herrings etc etc. It’s the nature of the show. They parallel important things, and so far? I’m seeing / hearing a lot of stuff that leads to CS, not SF (and believe me, I was looking and worried about SF for a VERY long time to the point where I was pulling my hair out that CS had to be a stepping stone to them and not wanting them together anytime soon because that’s how it would appear).

Looking forward to seeing these lists of all the little details and the way they’ve shown us one versus the other. They keep showing Neal in past tense even though he’s around now and I really think his focus will eventually be on family in general, not on Emma. Either that or it’s the slowest, most red-herring driven attempt at true love they have EVER shown us on the show cause it’s completely off with everything else they’ve done and it makes absolutely 0 sense to parallel CS so fully and make Neal sound like he’s the past and then switch it up. Absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I realize that most people see the “I love you” and immediately think case-closed but there’s no way it’s that easy, regardless of who she ends up with. It’s just not, not in this show. I don’t think a lot of people notice things that don’t help their ship in any way and I get that, I do…but we have legit things to hold onto pointing in the direction of CS so I will hold on to those for now and hope for the best. I’ve heard many times that people see no parallels between CS & Snowing and as much as infuriates me at times I get that if you’re not looking for it some things just aren’t as obvious. (Reminds me of the Pinocchio & Frankenstein stuff where people thought it was impossible or that August was Bae and what have you, but then looking back all the clues were there). Kinda wondering at this point if they will feel like they need a cheesy montage when Emma makes her choice just to show all the clues leading to it. Sick of hearing that Hook is just a fling etc and he shouldn’t be if they went to ALL that effort with everything else. It’s almost as annoying as hearing after ASOTM “take that CSers, Hook will ship SF” like it’s set in stone. He may try to make way for it for a bit and let Emma make up her own mind, but it’s not like he’s going to go out of his way to try and make them get back together. I sincerely doubt he would do that.

If they change it up so drastically I will be furious beyond belief because it was clearly set up that way even though a lot of people choose not to see and/or acknowledge and that’s their perogative. It just means that the creators will get to have a little more fun with it because they’re sure to say they thought for sure people would see them going down this path and are amazed that it stayed a mystery for so long because they set it up back in Tallahassee that one was the past and the other her future yada yada but they’ll be happy one of their twists remained a surprise for many because goodness knows a lot of their twists have been figured out already and they can’t very well play a love-triangle scenario (hopefully not for too long…) without having people at least wonder at the back of their minds if their pairing will make it.

*Sigh* – it’s so hard to read into tweets etc, especially with Adam, but I firmly believe all he said was that he CAN answer (as in, he knows if Emma ends up with Neal) but that he WON’T answer, hense “#nospoilers* – otherwise he wouldn’t have said “yes, I can tell you #nospoilers” – there’s no way he meant yes as in yes, they are I can tell you, yes indeed and then followed it up with that hashtag yet some apparently are buying into the “yes” part.

(If he had said that about CS I would have had the same reaction – it’s just not confirmation of anything. I swear H&K took lessons not only from Damon & Carlton on Lost but also JKR with her tricky answers about HP all those years.)

/end twitter rant

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

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