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http://www.shanju.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=855&extra=[adrotate group="5"]Also I don’t think Rumple had much choice other than to tell Bae that Milah was dead, the truth that Rumple had been led to believe was much more horrifying. Rumple didn’t know Milah left of her own accord (and how exactly could he tell Bae that his mother chose to abandon him?), Rumple had been led to believe that Milah had been kidnapped and was going to be raped by a ship full of pirates. Why on earth would he tell his young son that?
He could have told Bae his mother was kidnapped & he (Rumple) wouldnt fight to save her (which is what that line “a man unwilling to fight for what we wants deserves what he gets). But agree he wouldnt have said that & lets face it, they couldnt have had the events play out any other way as they needed Milah to be the wedge between Hook & Rumple & they needed Milah out of the way so Rumple would become the darkone- as Obisgirl said “Milah, like Neal was a plot device”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu8huXi9XmA
Rumple couldn’t risk dying in the duel with Hook since obviously the family were outcasts and there wouldn’t be anyone to look after Bae. Hook might not of killed Rumple had Rumple picked up the sword but Rumple didn’t know that. I don’t think Rumple had much choice other than to tell Bae Milah was dead otherwise Bae would constantly ask when would she be coming home, why couldn’t they save her etc. Rumple must have told Bae at some point about Milah being kidnapped since on the JR, he believed his mother to have been killed by a pirate.
What’s interesting is why, upon meeting Hook again, did Rumple ask “How’s Milah?” He seemed saddened when Hook said she was dead and then proposed finishing the duel. Why did Rumple seem to think Milah was still alive until Hook said she was dead?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixWhat’s interesting is why, upon meeting Hook again, did Rumple ask “How’s Milah?” He seemed saddened when Hook said she was dead and then proposed finishing the duel. Why did Rumple seem to think Milah was still alive until Hook said she was dead?
I’d assumed he’d “looked her up” DarkOne/ FTL style lol 😛 I think the problem we get a lot with the show is we get fixed in our thinking of what happened to these characters from S1, then S2 etc. then a new season starts & we get new back story that sometimes contradicts where or how we thought things worked out from there + a lot of ‘stuff’ gets mentioned in passing, so many reactions/responses/ what happens goes down off screen, leaving us fans with a single sentence (in many cases) as conclusion or reference.
Yep, I tend to agree A&E tried to define TL & SM to keep everyone happy- although they could have done that by simply stating “they are one in the same”.
The way I’m going to choose to look at it from here on out is this:
Love- You meet & may or may not be attracted to the other, but over time develop feelings then love for the other & it turns into TL- ie. RumpBelle.
True Love- You meet & there is a spark of love there almost right way, which develops/gets stronger as time goes on & turns into TL- ie. Snowing.
Soul Mates- You meet & there is a spark of total understanding (not sure how to word it… ‘read you like a book’ comes to mind lol) right away, which develops/gets stronger as time goes on & turns into TL- ie CS & OQ.
So for my interpretation of the 3 concepts, is not so much the end product that differs- not one of the 3 concepts results in a less powerful love, than any of the others, it’s simply the starting point that differs between the 3 🙂
Yep, I tend to agree A&E tried to define TL & SM to keep everyone happy- although they could have done that by simply stating “they are one in the same”.
I think this would have upset me more because what I would really want to know, is what the difference is between the two. If they said they were the same, it would retcon a lot of things. Cora and Rumple for instance. They were stated to be soulmates but their kiss wasn’t true love’s kiss because it didn’t break his curse. Only Belle did that.
Yep, I tend to agree A&E tried to define TL & SM to keep everyone happy- although they could have done that by simply stating “they are one in the same”.
I think this would have upset me more because what I would really want to know, is what the difference is between the two. If they said they were the same, it would retcon a lot of things. Cora and Rumple for instance. They were stated to be soulmates but their kiss wasn’t true love’s kiss because it didn’t break his curse. Only Belle did that.
But then whats the point in discussing that TL & SM is just semantics?
We cant say all love is ‘TL’ or truly loving someone = TL, then say ‘except for this couples love… because well they have to be special & those guys dont have the same love because then this couple wont be special’- it goes back to my 1st post bringint it up… well I guess we can say those things, but you know what I mean lol 😛
The same way I dont think we can say Soul mates = a deeper love or connection or whatever, than say TL, because if we say SM = only one person for you, does that make it deeper then TL, since TL = simply truly loving someone?
Personally, I think they are essentially the same thing – TL & SM, just the mode of “getting” to the level of ‘working TLK’ is different.
Love= eventual developing of feelings after the moment of meeting.
TL = a love connection almost from the moment of meeting.
SM = a soul connection from the moment of meeting.
All types of love can turn into TLK, love (IMO), so that TLK will work for the 3 types of love, making it ‘TL’ by default…. if that makes sense? 🙂
Edited to add: Not ALL Love & Soul Mates automatically turn into TL, these couples need to work to a greater or lesser degree to achieve ‘functioning TLK’ status.
The “TL” couples- you know the types- almost instantly fall for each other, never have eyes for another & end up growing old together- even if they fight it at first 😉 They dont have to work so hard at attaining ‘working TLK’ status, because for them, their love is so all consuming, they are more like one entity, than separate individuals in a relationship.
Soul Mates are those that instantly meet & feel they’ve met their other-self- they feel most confident & comfortable confiding in each other above all others/ have a level of trust that just seems to be there- no matter if they fight it at first or not (ie CS Vs OQ- Emma fought her SM connection with Killian, Regina didnt fight her SM connection with Robin- yet both women still seem to unconsciously seek support from their other half’s out esp when poop hits the fan, as do the men & both allow a level of frankness & closeness that isnt afforded to others- ie. Emma on the park bench with Killian & Regina on the log with Robin). Now theses couples dont have to work so hard for the ease & trust- it’s already there (even if past experiences interfere, the desire to trust this person is still there) & obviously SMs will love each other in one form or another (friendship, best friends, lovers or TL) by default, but they CAN work on & develop their relationship to get that next level of love- TLK level.
Love is the same as Soul Mates, but that level of comfort & trust 1st has to be developed BEFORE they can then develop into TLK level- much like Rumple & Belle’s situation- I’m sure there was more feelings of despair & indifference at the start of their relationship, slowly they developed a comfort with each other, this developed into trust, which developed into friendship, then love, then TL.
So what I’m saying is not all Love is necessarily ‘TLK’ love, but that ALL Love can be developed into TLK level love, which automatically means if TLK works, that they have TL, which makes “them one in the same” when it comes to ‘outcomes’.
Saw this & thought it was WAAAAAAY to cute not to share- I think I’d die if anything close to this is put on the show…. CaptainCobra & the best snowman ever 😉 Gotta admit, LOVE how they’ve got Killian with his tongue sticking out 😛 😉
Wonderful illustration 🙂 Thanks for posting it!! Too cute. Reminds me of the snow sculptures my four siblings and I used to create during Northeast winters back in the day !! We even did a pirate once, but not nearly as cute as this one.
(just a side comment, with the problems the forum has been having lately, are there any other message boards that you all regularly post on in case we have extended down time here? So we don’t lose track of the group? 🙂 I’ve popped into Previously.Tv and Once Upon a Time Fan Site occasionally)
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