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August 8, 2014 at 10:03 pm #279754surayyaParticipant
Hmmm, I tried editing the above post to include the quoted material in the actual quote box- but it wont work, so hmmmm o.O
I know this is slightly off topic but is anyone else getting just a little bit sick of the ‘Neal is gone & bringing him up makes it harder to bare’ or ‘they are rubbing our faces in Neal’s death’ stuff I see flying around these threads still… hes a friggn fictional character after all, it’s almost creepy tbh & the friggn show isnt the Once upon a Neal …. maybe its because I’m sick so stuck in bed still & cranky, but good gods some people need to get over it, they are taking a fictional TV show WAAAAAAAAAY too seriously- Let it friggn GO! (Pun intended! :P)
I will be honest, my like for Neal is better than it was now (I dont like what he did to Emma, Roland, Leggy or Rumple, nor his S3 decisions/actions at all, but thank the re watches for the improved tolerance)- maybe its absence that makes the heart grow fonder 😉 But if they killed off Killy, I wouldnt be moping around the forums pointing out how such & such should be honoring him or how this & that chaffs now he’s dead- I loved Graham & aside from ‘RIP Graham’ & *sniffles* I didnt see anyone going on & on & on & on & on & on & on about how much they miss him & the show isnt the same etc. Talk seemed to be on how his death affected the others/Emma & it’d be nice to see discussions like that re Neal’s death (if there needs to be any), rather than ‘Why! How could they! They ruined the Show!’ BS that is still going on *sigh*
ok, Rant over- just needed to get that out.
Anybody seen/found a nice CS vid they wanna share?[adrotate group="5"]August 8, 2014 at 10:29 pm #279755ellemo78ParticipantHmmm, I tried editing the above post to include the quoted material in the actual quote box- but it wont work, so hmmmm o.O
I know this is slightly off topic but is anyone else getting just a little bit sick of the ‘Neal is gone & bringing him up makes it harder to bare’ or ‘they are rubbing our faces in Neal’s death’ stuff I see flying around these threads still… hes a friggn fictional character after all, it’s almost creepy tbh & the friggn show isnt the Once upon a Neal …. maybe its because I’m sick so stuck in bed still & cranky, but good gods some people need to get over it, they are taking a fictional TV show WAAAAAAAAAY too seriously- Let it friggn GO! (Pun intended! :P)
I will be honest, my like for Neal is better than it was now (I dont like what he did to Emma, Roland, Leggy or Rumple, nor his S3 decisions/actions at all, but thank the re watches for the improved tolerance)- maybe its absence that makes the heart grow fonder But if they killed off Killy, I wouldnt be moping around the forums pointing out how such & such should be honoring him or how this & that chaffs now he’s dead- I loved Graham & aside from ‘RIP Graham’ & *sniffles* I didnt see anyone going on & on & on & on & on & on & on about how much they miss him & the show isnt the same etc. Talk seemed to be on how his death affected the others/Emma & it’d be nice to see discussions like that re Neal’s death (if there needs to be any), rather than ‘Why! How could they! They ruined the Show!’ BS that is still going on *sigh*
ok, Rant over- just needed to get that out.
Anybody seen/found a nice CS vid they wanna share?I’m totally with you. It’s getting old and as you said he’s a fictional character. I can’t count the amount of times a favourite character I have adored has been killed off on a TV show. I still remember the worse one when I was a young teenager, wasn’t actually my favourite character being killed off, but he ended up being the villian of the piece. He was so nice and lovely all the way through and then bam, bad guy. I was very upset, but then I built a bridge and got over it. Ohh and then another one where my fav character committed suicide. Oh wow that was tough to handle. But I still loved the show. I’m still upset that JK Rowling killed off Sirius, (POA is still my favourite book) but I didn’t go on a rampage declaring the whole series was ruined b/c of one character’s death.
Actually just one thing that really bugged me about the death, and this is quite a personal note, were the Neal fans saying ‘oh they’re not mentioning him. Just say his name’ etc… I lost my step father (the only father I’ve known) a couple years back and still find it difficult to say his name out loud and talk about him easily, whether it’s b/c I’m worried it will bring up sad thoughts for me or others I don’t know. So all that “say his name” rubbish really hit me hard as being quite insensitive. And if they are acting like Neal was a real person with their mourning and grieving, then perhaps they should actually think about what they’re saying. Two cents done with.If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
August 8, 2014 at 11:04 pm #279756ellemo78ParticipantHowever on a happier note, I found this in my bookmarks. It’s Captain without the Swan. And also one of my favourite songs. 🙂
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August 8, 2014 at 11:39 pm #279757Jenna_BParticipantUh oh…I haven’t really been venturing into the other threads too much…mostly because I was sick of seeing the exact same stuff. Unfortunately, unlike you, @Surayya, the ongoing reaction to the death has actually made me really dislike Neal. I had such a hard time connecting with him, and really put a lot of effort into understanding him and asking questions of people who were fans of Neal’s that I was really coming around…but I think the combination of (conveniently) arguing right around the time of his death is when the show stopped making sense and Hook-bashing just made me aggravated one too many times…and all the bad stuff started creeping in! Like, ew, he was really old when he got our girl preggers at 17…and I don’t care how you want to paint it, he let her go to jail for his crime. Unforgivable. Although in my opinion he did do right by Henry, so I’ll always give him a gold star for that.
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This is honestly the most beautiful and heartbreaking thing that anyone has said about Killian Jones.
We’ve seen how uncomfortable he gets when being thanked, and when being a called a hero.
It’s because he knows the path he chose was wrong. He knows all the things he did in the name of revenge were terrible. And he doesn’t really believe he can atone for them. He doesn’t believe that he deserves to be called a hero.
And yet he has proven it time and time again.
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<li>When he saved Aurora’s heart.</li>
<li>Coming back with the bean.</li>
<li>Saving Charming’s life.</li>
<li>Guiding them through Neverland to save Henry.</li>
<li>Getting to Emma in NY and bringing her home.</li>
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leaveatrailSource:August 9, 2014 at 12:03 am #279758obisgirlParticipantI feel like watching Buffy from beginning to end prepared me for handling character deaths when they happen.
Joss Whedon likes to kill beloved characters. I think it happens in most shows he’s done. Buffy, Angel, Firefly.
It hurts when those characters die–I still get emotional when I re watch “The Body.” I almost always end up crying. But I’ve never really lingered on it and moan about it. The story goes on and I’m the type of person where I have to know how the story ends. Especially when it’s something I love.
Generally, I care more about the story and the character’s journey.
I didn’t like it at the time but I appreciate now how when Buffy ended, she didn’t end up with anyone. The story wasn’t really about her relationships; it was about her..
Emma could end up the same way but I hope she doesn’t. I want her to have it all. Romantic love, familial love; friendship love–the whole package.
She’s been through crap in her life I want her to be happy.
That’s why ‘shippers need to put character first before ‘ship. I feel like our ‘ship does that more with Emma, where we understand where she’s coming from and justify why we feel she’s a better fit with Hook as a true love.
Hate to generalize here but the general feeling or vibe I’ve gotten from SwanFire fans is that they tend to look down or ignore Emma’s pain and are more Neal stans than Emma stans.
I’m not saying that’s everyone but considering the meltdown that happened when Jen was at Monte Carlo earlier this summer, I don’t think it’s a wrong statement either.
Some fans just like to live in a bubble where their favorite character never does anything wrong. But there’s a problem with that especially when it comes to OUAT.
The problem is that every character is flawed. We’ve seen good characters make crappy decisions. And that’s true in life too. Good people make bad decisions.
I mean listen, there is no Mary Sue or Gary Stu on OUAT. That character simply does not exist.
My favorite characters make a mistake or do something I’m not happy with I’m not going to ignore it or pretend like it never happened just so my favorite will keep his clean image intact.
I love Rumple. He’s been my favorite since season one but when he does bad and I’m uncomfortable with what he did — like what he did in Kansas; I’m going to voice my dissent about it. It might be an unpopular opinion but I’m not going to whitewash over it and when it came to Neal, I feel like that’s how a lot of SF fans did. Neal is perfect, he can do no wrong, he’s a saint equal to the Pope.
But he has made mistakes and has admitted that he has. The one he never admitted was that sending Emma to jail was wrong. He traumatized her and never really, truly apologized for it. His apology in 2×21 was really about him, how leaving her made him feel than about Emma’s feelings. Especially when she tried to tell him and he laughed at her.
When you hurt someone you love as badly as Emma was hurt, you don’t belittle those hurt feelings just because they’re not yours. If someone laughed at my hurt feelings, I’d say that person is a jerk and a few other choice words that would get me banned. Belittling someone else’s pain isn’t considerate. And I feel like since Emma reunited with Neal, that’s pretty much all he did with her.
Anyway, considering how long this post is and I’ve typed it all up on my phone using one finger, I should probably go to bed now.
But before I do, I’d like to make a suggestion. I think we should put a moratorium on discussing Neal in this thread. I know it might be hard too but if we don’t see Neal at all next season it shouldn’t be difficult.
Happy thoughts, happy vibes.
August 9, 2014 at 12:14 am #279759surayyaParticipantHmmm, I tried editing the above post to include the quoted material in the actual quote box- but it wont work, so hmmmm o.O
I know this is slightly off topic but is anyone else getting just a little bit sick of the ‘Neal is gone & bringing him up makes it harder to bare’ or ‘they are rubbing our faces in Neal’s death’ stuff I see flying around these threads still… hes a friggn fictional character after all, it’s almost creepy tbh & the friggn show isnt the Once upon a Neal …. maybe its because I’m sick so stuck in bed still & cranky, but good gods some people need to get over it, they are taking a fictional TV show WAAAAAAAAAY too seriously- Let it friggn GO! (Pun intended! :P)
I will be honest, my like for Neal is better than it was now (I dont like what he did to Emma, Roland, Leggy or Rumple, nor his S3 decisions/actions at all, but thank the re watches for the improved tolerance)- maybe its absence that makes the heart grow fonder But if they killed off Killy, I wouldnt be moping around the forums pointing out how such & such should be honoring him or how this & that chaffs now he’s dead- I loved Graham & aside from ‘RIP Graham’ & *sniffles* I didnt see anyone going on & on & on & on & on & on & on about how much they miss him & the show isnt the same etc. Talk seemed to be on how his death affected the others/Emma & it’d be nice to see discussions like that re Neal’s death (if there needs to be any), rather than ‘Why! How could they! They ruined the Show!’ BS that is still going on *sigh*
ok, Rant over- just needed to get that out.
Anybody seen/found a nice CS vid they wanna share?I’m totally with you. It’s getting old and as you said he’s a fictional character. I can’t count the amount of times a favourite character I have adored has been killed off on a TV show. I still remember the worse one when I was a young teenager, wasn’t actually my favourite character being killed off, but he ended up being the villian of the piece. He was so nice and lovely all the way through and then bam, bad guy. I was very upset, but then I built a bridge and got over it. Ohh and then another one where my fav character committed suicide. Oh wow that was tough to handle. But I still loved the show. I’m still upset that JK Rowling killed off Sirius, (POA is still my favourite book) but I didn’t go on a rampage declaring the whole series was ruined b/c of one character’s death.
Actually just one thing that really bugged me about the death, and this is quite a personal note, were the Neal fans saying ‘oh they’re not mentioning him. Just say his name’ etc… I lost my step father (the only father I’ve known) a couple years back and still find it difficult to say his name out loud and talk about him easily, whether it’s b/c I’m worried it will bring up sad thoughts for me or others I don’t know. So all that “say his name” rubbish really hit me hard as being quite insensitive. And if they are acting like Neal was a real person with their mourning and grieving, then perhaps they should actually think about what they’re saying. Two cents done with.I’m glad it’s not just me then.
You bring up a very good point about other shows- I hadn’t even thought of that!
My all time fav show as a teen & adult (show ran for 10years & had 2 spin offs), had my all time fav main character (ever), killed off after 5 seasons of being front & center in almost every episode (Daniel Jackson from SG1) as a lead! (Daniel was also the 1st ever character I actually “shipped” with anyone as well…. after 9yrs of watching the show lol). I was so shocked & upset when they killed him off, but I got over it quickly & certainly while he left a whooping great hole in his place show wise, I never once said or felt the show was ruined! Nor did I hate or bash the writers/cast for it either. I in fact grew to enjoy & love the character that was brought in to ‘replace’ the role that Daniel had left in the ‘team’… Of course I was beyond delighted when Daniel was brought back in S7 as well 😉 The same was true of Star Gate Atlantis with ‘Carson Beckett’- was so sad to see him die, but he came back for cameos which was cool…. I now have a hankering to watch Stargate SG1 again LOL.
On the other hand, I really do get those that feel the ‘magic’ has gone from the show with Neal’s death- I dont enjoy NCIS as much as I did now Ziva is gone- there is a spark that is missing for me now (& it has nothing to do with the new character that has been brought in to replace Ziva’s role in the show), but it is my choice to watch the show or not & feel as I do 1) Hasnt stopped me from enjoying it enough that I’ve stop watching. So 2) I dont go around whining about how Ziva leaving is OOC, ruined the show, goes against cannon, breaks the otp of another character blah, blah, blah- it’s fiction for crying out loud.I totally get you with Harry Potter- Poor Sirius, I personally was more saddened when Lupin (my fav HP character) was killed, as well as Tonks my 2nd fav- Deathly Hallows was a tear jerker for me- Dumbledore I saw coming from a mile away & called him kicking the bucket after Bk2 or 3 (I read 1,2 & 3 back to back lol), but still shed a tear or 10 for him- OotP is my Fav book with PoA a very very close 2nd 😉
I guess it comes down to whether or not people feel “entitled” over the story lines of the shows or not? – those that feel entitled over the story, will invariably get their knickers in a giant knot, throwing tantrums & whining over how they’ve been ‘wronged’ by the writers/show/world, those that are there for the story being told will simply enjoy the ride of whats being presented- whether it be laughing, crying or aww-ing as they follow the story to its eventual conclusion.
They dont have to like or even love all of the story, but enough with the whining- It’s gone past ‘grieving’ & is well into creepy now IMO.On a happier note Thanks so much for the video- I hadnt seen that one before & it cheered me up 🙂
August 9, 2014 at 12:45 am #279760surayyaParticipantOh, thanks for the happies Jenna_B 🙂 & I totally understand where you are coming from- I cant & will NOT defend Neal for his actions towards Emma especially- the actions are, if not unforgivable in themselves, certainly unforgivable in a romantic partner sense. I do enjoy his time with Henry though 🙂
Joss Whedon likes to kill beloved characters. I think it happens in most shows he’s done. Buffy, Angel, Firefly.
Holy Crow batman! Did he write Buffy & Angel?! ….. I Loved, loved, LOVED Firefly, maybe I should give Buffy & Angel a go – well at least Angel (I dont mind saying I find David Boreanaz all sorts of good looking, so quality eye candy is probably a given, even if I dont get into it lol) 😉
Emma could end up the same way but I hope she doesn’t. I want her to have it all. Romantic love, familial love; friendship love–the whole package.
She’s been through crap in her life I want her to be happy.
That’s why ‘shippers need to put character first before ‘ship. I feel like our ‘ship does that more with Emma, where we understand where she’s coming from and justify why we feel she’s a better fit with Hook as a true love.
I had to quote this as I think you hit the nail on the head + we already have JMo & A&E saying she is the product of TL & therefore wants to seek it out herself.
The one he never admitted was that sending Emma to jail was wrong. He traumatized her and never really, truly apologized for it. His apology in 2×21 was really about him, how leaving her made him feel than about Emma’s feelings. Especially when she tried to tell him and he laughed at her.
Thats actually one of the reasons I just couldnt really “Like” Neal/SF- he never did actually just say “sorry for doing that to you”, he said “I’m sorry, I..” which may as well read “sorry, but”.
But before I do, I’d like to make a suggestion. I think we should put a moratorium on discussing Neal in this thread. I know it might be hard too but if we don’t see Neal at all next season it shouldn’t be difficult.
Not a bad idea- It’s just had to say “Hey guys- this is totally getting creepy- maybe chill out on randomly dropping all the ‘why Neal/Poor Neal/ it’s all about Neal, Neal Neal’ comments in on conversations” (I’m still VERY cautious of mentioning CS out in the main forums or Neal & SF for that matter) & not get told I am hating on him or SF fans & get bashed for it… I’m starting to wonder if I need to take a break from this forum again all together- I dont want to get started in a new forum as if I do, I highly doubt I’d come back here & I enjoy chatting to you guys too much to willingly do that 🙂
Maybe we just need find more CS/Emma/Killian related topics to talk about- how would everyone feel if we did something like recaps & analysis of 1 or 2 eps of the show a week or something to help keep conversation moving forward- or maybe looking for the hints & clues A&E laid down for CS happening? Does anyone have any ideas of what we could do while it’s slow going, that they want to share?
August 9, 2014 at 1:53 am #279761ellemo78ParticipantHoly Crow batman! Did he write Buffy & Angel?! ….. I Loved, loved, LOVED Firefly, maybe I should give Buffy & Angel a go – well at least Angel (I dont mind saying I find David Boreanaz all sorts of good looking, so quality eye candy is probably a given, even if I dont get into it lol)
Maybe we just need find more CS/Emma/Killian related topics to talk about- how would everyone feel if we did something like recaps & analysis of 1 or 2 eps of the show a week or something to help keep conversation moving forward- or maybe looking for the hints & clues A&E laid down for CS happening? Does anyone have any ideas of what we could do while it’s slow going, that they want to share?
Buffy is aweseome! It took me a while to get into it, but it became non-miss for me. Even having to wait up until midnight when our FTA netwrok deemed it good idea to screen it. And Jane Espenson used to write for Buffy and Angel as well. Although I did go off it a little bit in the end. There was a certain point where it couuld have stopped and I think it should have. But that’s not to say there weren’t some good episodes after that. Angel got a little bit like that in the end for me too. Having said all that still they’re awesome shows. I know Hook is likened to Spike, but I see him as more similar to Angel. (Although that could be b/c I wasn’t a massive fan of Spike)
Yup I’m on board for the recaps. I’ve been wanting to do a full rewatch for a while (I do have a habit of watching only a few choice episodes). But I don’t have any other ideas beyond that. 😉
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August 9, 2014 at 2:03 am #279762sweetgrassParticipantI don’t mind if Neal stans want to talk about Neal. What bothers me is that some of these stans seem to act like their perception/view of the show is the only correct one, that the actors and writers are being pressured to change the show and public statements because it doesn’t validate their view. It’s like that one SwanQueen fan that insisted that SQ was in all the writing and acting because that is what she saw and anything else was caving into homophobia. I don’t think it is fair to the writers, creators and actors on the show to act like you, a fan, know their character/show better than they do.
I personally don’t think that Emma’s romantic lead was set in stone. Hell, they could still kill CS. I think that they wanted to test the chemistry with various actors/characters to see where the story went. August, Neal, Hook were all potential loved interests. Most shows don’t last more than a season, so I don’t think they plot past the current season. To be honest A&E only seem to be looking at half-season at a time.
Worse is that nothing the writers say or do is good enough. If they mention Neal, it’s wrong because it pours salt in the wound since Neal is no longer on the show and is only paying Neal stans lip service; if they don’t mention Neal, it’s wrong because the writers are ignoring the importance of Neal. It’s also wrong to assume that the actors are not friends with MRJ. Everyone in the cast seems to get along and to be friends. I’ve heard JenMo, Colin and RC say nice things about MRJ after he left the show. The actors don’t control the show and didn’t make the decision to have Neal written out of the show. I don’t know what they expect the cast to do. Are they supposed to stage a protest because Neal was written off? I don’t get it. We have no idea what went on behind the scenes and that’s the way it should be as the cast and crew are professionals.
I read somewhere that in the commentary for the Jolly Roger, Colin says that Hook doesn’t feel like he belongs in StoryBrooke but he won’t leave because of Emma. I thought that was an interesting comment. I think we saw some of that when he talked to Tink about how StoryBrook can be disorienting. I hope they explore that a little bit. Hook puts up a good front but it must be so hard to come to our world full of technology.
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August 9, 2014 at 8:43 am #279772PriceofMagicParticipantHmmm, I tried editing the above post to include the quoted material in the actual quote box- but it wont work, so hmmmm o.O
I know this is slightly off topic but is anyone else getting just a little bit sick of the ‘Neal is gone & bringing him up makes it harder to bare’ or ‘they are rubbing our faces in Neal’s death’ stuff I see flying around these threads still… hes a friggn fictional character after all, it’s almost creepy tbh & the friggn show isnt the Once upon a Neal …. maybe its because I’m sick so stuck in bed still & cranky, but good gods some people need to get over it, they are taking a fictional TV show WAAAAAAAAAY too seriously- Let it friggn GO! (Pun intended! :P)
I will be honest, my like for Neal is better than it was now (I dont like what he did to Emma, Roland, Leggy or Rumple, nor his S3 decisions/actions at all, but thank the re watches for the improved tolerance)- maybe its absence that makes the heart grow fonder But if they killed off Killy, I wouldnt be moping around the forums pointing out how such & such should be honoring him or how this & that chaffs now he’s dead- I loved Graham & aside from ‘RIP Graham’ & *sniffles* I didnt see anyone going on & on & on & on & on & on & on about how much they miss him & the show isnt the same etc. Talk seemed to be on how his death affected the others/Emma & it’d be nice to see discussions like that re Neal’s death (if there needs to be any), rather than ‘Why! How could they! They ruined the Show!’ BS that is still going on *sigh*
ok, Rant over- just needed to get that out.
Anybody seen/found a nice CS vid they wanna share?I get feeling sad that your favourite character is gone but I do agree that there comes a point where you do have to get over it and move on or else it becomes unhealthy to wallow in grief and despair over a person who isn’t real.
I lost a lot of sympathy for Neal during the Neverland arc. First came Rolandgate where Neal used a 4 year old child as bait, putting him at risk of ending up in Neverland with Pan whom Neal said was the worst person he ever met. The only reason the plan succeeded was because of Mulan. For me, this showed a complete disregard for other people’s safety on Neal’s part. Yes he was desperate to get to Henry/Emma but at what cost? It wasn’t like Henry was on his own in Neverland, his family were there doing their best to save him. Neal in Neverland didn’t actually do much other than make things harder for the others. First he gets captured by Felix, then he escapes and runs into Rumple. They actually manage to get Henry away from Pan but then Neal turns on Rumple despite Rumple warning that separating would be the worst possible thing to do but Neal does it anyway. Then Neal get captured again and has to be saved so the JR6 are distracted from saving Henry. Then he nearly has his shadow ripped alongside Hook because the two of them are fighting over a lighter. Then when Regina and Rumple have worked together to actually get things done and have a way to defeat Pan, Neal turns everyone against Rumple and makes him promise not to use magic despite the fact that Rumple using magic could’ve been really useful in saving Henry.
Then in 3B Neal decides “to hell with the cost” on bringing Rumple back despite Belle’s warning which ultimately makes things worse for everyone as Zelena now has an enslaved dark one on her side. Rumple suffers the most at Zelena’s hands yet all Neal cared about was using Rumple so he could get to Emma and Henry who at that point were living safe and happy in New York. (Walsh may or may not have been there at that time, Quiet Minds must have happened before Walsh turned up since we know he had been with Emma for 8 months, Belle returned to Snowing after Rumple absorbed Neal when they were just about to announce there pregnancy and when Walsh was discovered to be a monkey, Snow was close to giving birth so a good 8 months between Quiet Minds and New York City Serenade). Neal got lucky with Rolandgate but his luck ran out the second time.
Also, since we know Pan didn’t get his first lost boys until after Rumple had stopped the ogre war, and we know that some of the lost boys like Felix were older than Bae, that means potentially Felix and some of the others fought in the ogre war that Bae was supposed to fight in, some of them would’ve been Morraine’s comrades in arms. In Manhattan flashbacks, the soldiers that were maimed by the ogres were considered “lucky” since it meant they couldn’t fight anymore and got sent home (hence why Rumple injured himself). Now imagine what the non-injured ones including those as young as 14 had to witness as they fought on the battlefield. No wonder Neverland might’ve been appealing for some of them, it was a safe haven from the ogre wars that were prone to break out. It meant they wouldn’t be called to the front line again. Here’s a theory: The crying Wendy heard wasn’t the lost boys crying for their parents, it was them reliving the memories of the ogre war in their nightmares.
Leggy was called to the shore by Neal blowing into a shell. Ariel was called to the shore by Regina blowing into a shell. Regina wanted Ariel, Neal wanted Leggy. This suggests that there is some sort of telepathic link where those under the sea can be summoned. If something can be summoned, to me that suggests they don’t just show up at random and that they expect a purpose of some sort. That shell could very well be a distress beacon (we did see the mermaid blow into one) and the underwater creatures are inclined to help those in need. When Neal summoned Leggy, Leggy may have been expecting to help someone in need only for Neal to kill him. Not only that, Neal killed him with a spear and there was a lot of thrashing from Leggy which meant he knew what was happening and was afraid.Leggy has just become a much more tragic character.
I liked Hook lots in 3B, he’s ahead of Snow and Regina and Henry though Henry was an improvement in 3B over 3A Henry and definitely season 2 Henry. Hook apologised to Belle (Something I’d been waiting for him to do), he wasn’t so persistent towards Emma (He let her know he was there for her and that he liked her but he wasn’t so pushy if you know what I mean), he made his sacrifice but didn’t make a big deal about it (Emma had to really push him for an answer before he said anything). Hook can’t be faulted for his actions in 3B, aside from the trying to take Henry without anybody knowing (I get why he did it so the intention was noble but the fear that would’ve kicked up for Emma if Henry had disappeared whilst Zelena was on the loose wouldn’t have done Hook any favours in Emma’s eyes but his intention was to protect Henry, not look good for Emma so swings and roundabouts I guess but still he should’ve let someone know his intention so they could at least say to Emma don’t panic Henry’s fine). Hook definitely proved his worth though.
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