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Doesn’t #12 of List #2 belong in List #1??
And obisgirl: in which episode do you see that Emma kept the handkerchief? Guess I missed that one…
[adrotate group="5"]It was after he was released from the hospital. He knocked out Charming and went through Emma’s desk, looking for his hook and it was there. I think it might have been Manhattan.
Awesome list! I’ve been marathoning everything else to catch up before doing my OUAT rewatch but happy to see lots of the parallels actually listed out! Some are more obvious than others and a lot of those never even occurred to me! SOOO happy to see a lot of the Snowing ones spelled out. Not sure how people can miss every single one of them…but they are there and there are many!
Looking forward to seeing any updates to the lists and what others find as well. We all notice different types of things and when added together it makes for one giant CaptainSwan-loving list of legitimate reasons to ship them!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
I like your new signature pic obisgirl.
Thanks. I cropped an un-posted sexy CS manip I made.
I reckon season 3 will the season where we see CaptainSwan happen. Bae is currently out of the picture, dead as far as Emma is concerned, and Hook and Emma will be spending quite a bit of time together in Neverland. It’s all a perfect setup for a love trinangle between Hook, Emma and Bae.
Hook and Emma get together whilst in Neverland, Emma believing Bae to be dead. Perhaps on the return to Storybrooke, possibly in time for the hiatus, Bae reappears alive and well, shocking Emma and forcing her to choose between the two men in her life.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI don’t think it’ll be a difficult choice to make.
She hasn’t shown any romantic interest in Neal since he came back. The only thing that ties them together is Henry, but I hate this thing on TV, where characters try to make a happy relationship for the sake of the kid and it just ends up backfiring because neither are really invested in the relationship.
I hope that doesn’t happen on Once. If Emma wanted to be with Neal, it would have happened.
Emma did declare she loved Neal as he did to her as he was falling through the portal. Also there are the unresolved feelings that Neal and Emma still have for one another from their relationship years ago.
I agree that Emma and Neal shouldn’t be forced together just for Henry’s sake. I don’t think Emma and Neal are going to be reunited until at least halfway through season 3. Emma believes Neal to be dead so she’s going to need time to come to terms with Neal’s “death” and feel comfortable about moving on with Hook before Neal turns her world upside down by turning up alive. Emma is probably going to feel conflicted between Hook and Neal for the second half of season 3 but will probably decide to be with Neal for Henry’s sake. This will probably leave Hook heartbroken and he may slide back to the evil side for a while. Come season 4, Emma will realise that her relationship with Neal is not working out the way she hoped and she can’t stop thinking about Hook. Hook has “moved on” with someone else and Emma will feel upset that Hook is with someone else but can’t blame him because she did choose Neal over him. However, Hook still loves Emma but he’s also hurting over Emma choosing Neal over him so you have both Emma and Hook still in love with each other but not able to tell the other about how they feel.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix@PriceofMagic wrote:
Emma did declare she loved Neal as he did to her as he was falling through the portal. Also there are the unresolved feelings that Neal and Emma still have for one another from their relationship years ago.
Actually, I think the beach scene tied up nicely where their relationship went south. As for the “I love you” over the portal, he was dying and thought, it was something he needed to hear to get him to stay. But it didn’t work and he let go of her hand.
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I agree that Emma and Neal shouldn’t be forced together just for Henry’s sake. I don’t think Emma and Neal are going to be reunited until at least halfway through season 3.
Yes.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Emma believes Neal to be dead so she’s going to need time to come to terms with Neal’s “death” and feel comfortable about moving on with Hook before Neal turns her world upside down by turning up alive. Emma is probably going to feel conflicted between Hook and Neal for the second half of season 3 but will probably decide to be with Neal for Henry’s sake. This will probably leave Hook heartbroken and he may slide back to the evil side for a while. Come season 4, Emma will realise that her relationship with Neal is not working out the way she hoped and she can’t stop thinking about Hook. Hook has “moved on” with someone else and Emma will feel upset that Hook is with someone else but can’t blame him because she did choose Neal over him. However, Hook still loves Emma but he’s also hurting over Emma choosing Neal over him so you have both Emma and Hook still in love with each other but not able to tell the other about how they feel.
I watch soap operas too and this scenario, sounds too soapy for me. I don’t want Hook to be evil again. I think, when he came back from the finale, Hook is no more. He’s Killian again.
I’m not sure. Emma’s had other relationships since the last time she actually had a relationship with Neal and at least tried to let herself move on before, once that we’ve seen (darn you Regina for killing him!). Also the fact that he was engaged to and defending the evil one right up until she shot him will hold some weight too. (Sorry, to me saying you love, need, and are going to marry someone else 1 second then realizing she’s evil and trying to kill you forcing you to say “I love you” to someone else in the last moments of your life – or so you think – does not constitute “I’m in love with you always have been always will be” nor does a response to it).
I think Emma still has feelings from when she was younger and those have definitely been brought to the surface recently by his return to her life, but she’s also a very guarded practical person and she witnessed him time and time again pick Tamara over her up until the very last second and only when he thought he was dying. Emma acknowledged that he had moved on and found Tallahassee with someone else.
She has a lot of feelings related to him but I think most of them, at least the ones that will have any lasting consequences will be those relating to Henry. Other than saying that Neal was “gone” all she’s basically said on the subject is “how do I tell Henry?” and “He’s already lost his father, I’m not letting him lose a mother too” – we’ve seen her a little sad about it but it’s all related back to her love for her son.
I’m sure they’ll try to play up the triangle and have it cause a bit of drama (probably midseason finale cliffhanger which will make for a long winter full of hearing people screaming that she now knows he’s alive so CS is dead *throws something pre-emptively*). Emma definitely has some things to work out with Neal but I don’t see her going back to him after everything they’ve been through, especially after spending time with the 1 guy in her life who came back for her while trying to save the 1 other person who ever came back for her: her son.
I think it’ll be interesting to see how the dynamics play out between Neal & Hook for sure, especially since we’ll probably see the childish side again relating to Hook “stealing” the women in Neal’s life, but I think / hope Emma will shut him up and stand up for Hook, especially since he is helping to SAVE their son…the son who was kidnapped by none other than the evil person Neal was defending til the last second and planning on marrying even once he had actually found where Emma was AND accused her of being jealous / finding out that she was a bit. That’s gonna sting Emma and I’d like to think she’s a stronger person than to just forget what he said up until the portal thing…
I could see Hook taking a step back (unless Neal attacks him) and if Emma does entertain the thought of working things out with Neal then Hook could slip a little for awhile but CS always find a way back to each other and I think ultimately Emma will choose Hook.
Honestly knowing what we know about Emma, something major will probably be happening in and around the time they discover and are reunited with Neal, so if anything, she’s likely to just stop with either of them and focus on anything that isn’t remotely painful to her emotionally. What that huge something may be who knows, but it’s OUAT – something big will be going on. She’ll push both guys away like she did with Snowing when they were first reunited, and then eventually something will happen forcing her to deal with her feelings and come clean with them and in the meantime they’ll probably both be trying to court her a bit without actually courting her as per her wanting to push people away when she doesn’t want to deal with the emotions of it all.
It should be interesting to see it play out but I hope that with the way they’ve written her character they don’t have her slide down too far and become the teenage girl again who’s blinded by Neal and just have her completely forget all the things that have happened. I expect better of her than that. I think they’ll leave the triangle dangling for a bit for sure, but I don’t see EMMA being the one that’s really doing anything other than pushing both away while she focuses on something else.
I just can’t see her switching back and forth on who she’s dating, nor can I see her just ditching Hook and screaming “Neal’s alive!” and running off to be with him. There’s a big difference between her ending with Neal and how Hook/Milah ended.
They *could* try and do a triangle since they put Snowing in a triangle and it would parallel that a bit, but I really can’t see how she would ever go to Neal unless she felt it was out of obligation to try for Henry’s sake and even then it wouldn’t make her happy because she’s not that teenage girl anymore. She’s a strong, independent woman full of magic (which he hates), a family that wants to go to FTL to be together (which he hates) and she knows full well he never had any intention of coming to find her because he would have stayed away from her had he known who she was / wanted to marry someone else who then tried to kill him and kidnap their son. Those are not things that Emma can just forget, at least not the way she’s been written so far.
If they insist on going the obligation route, other than me throwing things, it better be over fast and just be another way of paralleling CaptainSwan with Snowing. After all, David felt obligated to stay with Kathryn but was still drawn to MM so it wouldn’t *surprise* me if they did that, especially with Henry and Rumple shipping SF so much, but I really hope they address the fact that Henry should be happy having everyone he loves in his life and that sometimes, in the real world, parents don’t end up together but they can still get along for his sake. If this were JUST fairy tales in FTL, I could see people’s point about them being meant to be for Henry’s sake and how sweet it is that their kid is bringing them back together etc etc. But these are fairy tale characters INFLUENCED by the real world, none of them moreso than Emma, and she better than anyone knows that life isn’t always like a fairytale.
I really hope that if they do the triangle and if Emma goes to Neal even for a little bit that Hook doesn’t start something with someone else, but I could see that happening maybe. As long as they keep showing that CaptainSwan are drawn to each other and really do want to be with each other whether they are at the time or not I could live with it. Re Lost: I loved Skate but I fully acknowledge that was a WANT and not what they were actually setting up. Even when Skate were together, Jack & Kate kept being jealous and acting out of revenge ie: Kate sleeping with Sawyer because Jack was having dinner with Juliet. It was obvious that's why she did that right then.
If they do SF for a bit, I could see Hook doing something like that in an obvious attempt to get back at Emma for choosing Neal, but it will be done in a way that is obvious set-up wise to show that he isn’t “in love with” the other person, but that he is still hurt and lashing out because he wants to be with Emma. THAT is the difference in set-up between a want and reality. As long as they show that it’s grounded in something that keeps CS alive, I’ll be ok with it – and it better be from both sides (ie: show that Emma is struggling because she isn’t the person he thinks she is anymore and that she’s mostly giving it a try for Henry’s sake).
Like I said I don’t think there will so much be a switching between guys thing as there might be Emma pushes everybody away but obviously has to spend some time with Neal because he is technically family with Henry and even though Hook seems to be brought in for the NL adventures, he’s not *technically* family (yet) and Neal will likely want nothing to do with him. I’m sure Emma will stand up for Hook for helping to save Henry and that might shut Neal up for a little bit but I don’t see him wanting Hook around his family more than necessary so by letting Neal be around for Henry, Hook gets pushed out a little bit from Emma regardless until / unless she stands up for him all the time so he may feel like he’s getting kicked out even if she hasn’t really made a choice and could lash out accordingly by trying to make her jealous though I hope that’s not the case.
Obisgirl – I agree. I really think that beach scene summed up the status of their relationship and even then he was still excited that Tamara wasn’t to blame until oh wait she was *smacks forehead*. He had every opportunity to fix things and he didn’t. Emma told him exactly what he needed to hear (that she was a little jealous) and while he was happy about that he STILL defended the psycho one.
The portal scene was Emma desperately trying to hang on and I said earlier her main focus was Henry. She knows how Henry gets about his family, regardless of how they try to hurt one another, and now that Neal is in Henry’s life, Emma DOES need Neal. A part of her will always love him as he was her first great love and is the father of her son, but I feel like it’s more closure because they’ve said a lot of the things that needed saying. She had already told him in Manhattan that she loved him and that’s why it all hurt so much when he abandoned her and he didn’t have the nerve to say it til he thought he was dying. To him, in that moment, it was supposed to be closure and I feel like that’s what it will feel like to Emma.
As someone posted on tumblr and I quoted here a few pages ago:
Hook coming back was a CHOICE.
Neal being alive is a status of being.I don’t think one being alive will counteract all the bad things he’s done, regardless of the reasoning, and undermine the power of the one who chose to come back. This is especially true considering Emma’s quotes all the way back to 1×06 about actually making a choice rather than just wanting something.
Viva la CaptainSwan!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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