The Captain Swan thread!

[callmeLola]

I know we’ve mentioned it before but any less negative sites that still include various ‘ships and viewpoints anyone visits and recommends? Because I’m really foreseeing me only coming to this thread here once S4 begins…how far we have….come.

I like this site but I’ll just stick to this thread from now on.  @obisgirl mentioned fanforum which is actually good because even the shippers (and you know who they are) can generally have a rational discuss about spoilers/theories without the convo deteriorating. One of the ladies on the CS podcast recommended televisionwithoutpity as a good site. Haven’t checked it out though.

FYI, I’m going to be away during the first two weeks of the premiere. So, I’m going to miss at least the first two episodes of the season. I’l be in Canada (or here, pending if I get a job or not). I’ll be in Ontario.

You don’t have to miss a thing. I believe you mentioned that you’re coming to Toronto . OUAT is on channel 8 (CTV) at 8pm.  Are you coming here for a family function or just visiting?

@surayya those stupid Hook is dying rumours start around this time every year just to whip the fandom into a frenzy. Does anyone (CS and SF shippers included) really believe A and E are just going to let Colin go? I had to laugh at your suggestion to renaming this site “oncehatecast.com”  Shall we start a petition?  You’re certainly not far off the mark there 🙂

[callmeLola]

In honour of the new school year starting:

 

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onceuponamirror:

i think this is my best work yet

and i felt like it was time to bring this back

It’s a new school year…r u hooked?” />

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[obisgirl]

obisgirl wrote:

FYI, I’m going to be away during the first two weeks of the premiere. So, I’m going to miss at least the first two episodes of the season. I’l be in Canada (or here, pending if I get a job or not). I’ll be in Ontario.

You don’t have to miss a thing. I believe you mentioned that you’re coming to Toronto . OUAT is on channel 8 (CTV) at 8pm. Are you coming here for a family function or just visiting?

My dad’s attending a space Congress up there.  After that’s done, he’s free to do whatever.  I know which channel it plays on but I watch with my boyfriend, so I’m going to try really, really hard to stay away from spoilers.

I had to laugh at your suggestion to renaming this site “oncehatecast.com” Shall we start a petition? You’re certainly not far off the mark there

I hope you’re not serious about this.  Again, as annoying as those people who still cling to Neal coming back, I don’t think it’s worth making a petition over the naming of a new site.  I like it here.  Before this place,  I didn’t really have a place to go and post my theories and chat with other Oncers.

[callmeLola]

I hope you’re not serious about this. Again, as annoying as those people who still cling to Neal coming back, I don’t think it’s worth making a petition over the naming of a new site. I like it here. Before this place, I didn’t really have a place to go and post my theories and chat with other Oncers.

I was kidding!

[Bo-Peeps]

Ooooo, that leading man vid hit just the right note! You find the coolest vids, surayya!

I’ve actually been in “adoration” of Carlyle since Full Monty (when I had to be the translator for my kids~WTH did he just say, Mom?) but Dark One Rumple is his masterpiece so far.

The testosterone combo of Hook, Rumple and Charming is Irresistable. When a series has had a couple if years to settle in, the characters develop a comfortable rapport even (especially?) when they butt heads.

Robin is growing on me, too 🙂 it depends on how he deals with his “lady drama” (which, to be fair, is a no win situation) I still haven’t got a clue how they will resolve that!

Henry in EF would be a kick for him and us.

I have to absolutely agree with everyone who dismisses the “child abandonment” charges concerning Hook and Bae. There was no malicious intent, pre-planned sale or plotted evil regarding Bae. Hook tried several times to convince him to stay.  He offered his protection, genuine concern and guidance and when Bae was determined to  insultingly throw it all in his face and insisted he just be dropped off anywhere, (which, come to think of it was really teenaged -stupid heh) well…that vibrant passion I was talking about earlier kicked in and Hook didn’t fight for him when the lost creeps  boarded. It was that internal, pained demon acting up in Hook again.

Indeed when Hook saw the marked out symbols on his ship’s wheel mounting( what is the real name for that????) that he had drawn while teaching Bae to navigate, it was a giant first step to overcoming those demons, recognizing he had to change his mindset and become a better man, show “good form” and go back to Storybrooke with the portal bean.

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thanks, too for the suggestions of more discussion friendly forums to visit.

Perhaps (hope floats) when the season actually starts things will positively expand a bit.

until then…this is quite a good gathering of minds here in this thread!

***Always in search of a good flock***

[obisgirl]

I have to absolutely agree with everyone who dismisses the “child abandonment” charges concerning Hook and Bae. There was no malicious intent, pre-planned sale or plotted evil regarding Bae. Hook tried several times to convince him to stay. He offered his protection, genuine concern and guidance and when Bae was determined to insultingly throw it all in his face and insisted he just be dropped off anywhere, (which, come to think of it was really teenaged -stupid heh) well…that vibrant passion I was talking about earlier kicked in and Hook didn’t fight for him when the lost creeps boarded. It was that internal, pained demon acting up in Hook again. Indeed when Hook saw the marked out symbols on his ship’s wheel mounting( what is the real name for that????) that he had drawn while teaching Bae to navigate, it was a giant first step to overcoming those demons, recognizing he had to change his mindset and become a better man, show “good form” and go back to Storybrooke with the portal bean.

I agree too.  He offered Bae a chance/choice for The Jolly Roger to be his home too and Bae turned him down.

There’s that word again, choice. Hook gave him the choice. He didn’t force him to stay.  Bae made his choice to leave.

As much as the haters want to hate on Hook for every single tiny little thing,  at least when it comes to the people he loves, he gives them choices. He in no way takes away another’s person’s agency.  Milah made her choice, Bae made his choice and he let Emma decide what she wanted. You can’t fault the man for caring about what the other person wants to do.

[Jenna_B]

I recently rewatched 2×21 & 2×22 and after S3, I am even more convinced in my initial Hook/Bae headcannon.  Bae was acting like a child – no problems with that, hr WAS a child…a child who needed protection.  I believe Hook saw that and if Bae was going to reject Hook then Bae’s next best option?  Making an ally out of Pan.  If Hook had to physically turn Bae over to further incite Bae’s hate toward Hook so Bae would align himself with Pan…then Hook was giving Bae his best chance.  What’s a major motivation for many of the OUAT characters?  Giving another their best chance, despite the devastating consequence. Ahem – Snowing/Emma, Emma/Henry.

And no, I don’t believ that makes Hook’s actions OOC toward adult Neal in S3 NL.  Hook didn’t know Neal and it was probably quite painful to see him…what’s easier?  Acting like a child…which BOTH men were doing.

Anywho, I can’t imagine leaving the forum altogether.  I’m sure I’ll even pop into chat depending on the crowd.  But I don’t feel the need to really try and understand other perspectives if I’m going to deal with a good dose of backlash as a result.   I worked hard to understand others’ opinions regarding their favorite characters and frankly feel I wasn’t given the same respect.  Hence my negativity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PriceofMagic]

ellemo78 wrote:

And I would disagree with the ‘child abandoning’ accusation of Hook. Yeah, he handed Bae over to Pan, but what was he supposed to do? Bae wanted to leave. Was Hook supposed to hold him captive on his ship?

I’ve always thought that too! (But been a little afraid to say it, lol.) I mean, Bae demanded to leave and even tried to kill him. If he had kept him captive on the ship, Bae might’ve murdered him in his sleep or something (not likely really, but you never know). And it’s not like it would’ve been any different if they’d just put him on the island somewhere; Pan knew everything that happened there anyway. And without a portal, there wasn’t anywhere else to go except maybe back in the ocean.

I guess your right. Eventually Hook and his crew would’ve had to go ashore for supplies and then they were at Pan’s mercy, although just being in Neverland probably put them at Pan’s mercy. Maybe Pan knew Bae was on the JR all along. When the initial search didn’t turn up anything, Pan sent Felix and the lost boys back a few days later, enough days for Hook and his crew to get a false sense of security, where they picked up Bae who was out on the ship in the open.

Also…there’s another person who should’ve reacted differently to finding out that Rumple murdered Milah. Why on earth did that not seem to bother Baelfire? I guess his first instinct might have been to think Hook was lying, but logically it’s not like Hook would’ve risked his life for Milah’s son and kept her self-portrait all that time if she’d just been some random woman he’d abducted.

I agree. Neal should’ve at least asked Rumple if that was true. There’s a lot of reactions we didn’t get to see from Neal, finding out that Rumple had killed Milah being one of them. The other reaction we didn’t get to see is Neal’s reaction to Tamara’s betrayal and death. That was the woman he loved and was going to marry….and he just kind of went on his merry way.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[PriceofMagic]

Robin is growing on me, too it depends on how he deals with his “lady drama” (which, to be fair, is a no win situation) I still haven’t got a clue how they will resolve that!

I hope Robin stays with Marian. Had the writers taken their time to set up OQ instead of rushing it with “oh they’re soulmates because pixie dust says so” and had they not had Regina kill Marian, then Robin’s current situation would be a real dilemma where someone was going to end up hurt. However as it is, Robin is going to come off as a douchebag because he’s slept with Regina. If he drops Regina for Marian, he’s a jerk. If he leaves Marian for Regina, he’s a jerk for leaving his wife for her murderer.

Had OQ progressed slower and they’d established an emotional connection but not got “serious” yet, then when Marian showed up, the dilemma would be Regina and Robin trying to keep their distances from each other even though they had this connection because it was the “right” thing to do instead of Robin having to choose between the two women.

Perhaps (hope floats) when the season actually starts things will positively expand a bit.

until then…this is quite a good gathering of minds here in this thread!

I did create a thread to discuss favourite moments of season 3 since it does get a lot of negativity. Season 3 did have good moments. I’d be very interested to hear what other people’s favourite moments are.

https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/top-10-season-3-scenes/

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Jenna_B]

I disagree that Robin’s a d-bag.  For Robin, Marian has been dead for years, and definitely enough to adequately have mourned his wife and move on in a healthy manner.  Robin has zero control over the fact that to Marian, they were happily married days earlier, until she was captured by Regina.  And seriously, was he supposed to stay celibate in case some random person managed to figure out how to time travel and 4 or so years after he death, inadvertently reunite him with her?

I don’t even really have a problem with the amount of time that has passed for OQ to get where they are – because they’re in that early, ‘everything is great, you’re amazing and you make me amazing’ blah blah blah stage of their relationship.  Before they’ve had to deal with any significant problems.  Most of us have been there ourselves.  I don’t really think Regina and Robin are acting on their feelings for each other solely because a 3rd party told them they were meant to be together.  Because every relationship is perfect until reality sinks in and cracks begin to emerge.  Even in a good, healthy relationship.  Admittedly, OQ’s problem is a little different than most couple’s!  I’m not sure Regina and Robin can’t be together – if she’s truly changed…I’m not sure that Regina being Marian’s killer changes that much between Regina and Robin (unpopular thought, I know don’t shoot me! 🙂 ) — Robin knew of Regina, and he knew of the Evil Queen’s penchant for killing anyone and everyone in her path.  Robin would’ve easily been one of the Evil Queen’s victims had he been caught.  But he’s made peace with that.  Of course, Marian being an almost-victim is far more personal…would Robin have known Marian died at Regina’s hand while still living in the EF?  I can’t remember if they made that clear.  It seems like it would be the natural assumption that if someone up and disappears, it’s at the hands of the Evil Queen.

Ultimately, I think the entire storyline hinges on exactly how much Regina has truly changed.  I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a theme for all of the villains in 4A – Is Rumple going to backslide (further) once Belle finds out about Zelena?  Will Hook be able to continue on his path to be a good man – what needs to happen for him to be tempted to readopt the full on Captain Hook persona again?  I imagine we’ll see the pirate emerge now and then, especially when he’s in protection mode…is drawing on his pirate skills to ensure the safety of the ones he loves enough to tempt him back to that life?  We would think no, but he’s still on his journey to being good, I don’t know that he’s fully redeemed himself yet, especially in his own eyes.  Regina has had to deal with very little repercussions of her actions.  She’s due.  This situation is exactly the kind of setup needed to see if Regina can really turn herself around, make herself deserving of someone’s love, or if she’s really just too far gone.

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