The Captain Swan thread!

[yuka chan]

@obisgirl wrote:

I watch soap operas too and this scenario, sounds too soapy for me. I don’t want Hook to be evil again. I think, when he came back from the finale, Hook is no more. He’s Killian again.

I agree with this! I also think having Hook go back to the “bad” side again would just make him Regina 2.0 with how she appears to be incapable of making a morally good decision without someone else to secure her there. I think Hook’s will to just be Killian Jones needs to be depicted as something he decided for himself rather than for Emma in order to for him to completely redeem himself.. Otherwise it’s like he’s repeating what he went through following Milah’s death (like Regina does), which takes away from his character development and the viewer is less likely to tolerate that too…

I never thought Neal would die like that. All I could think when he fell through the portal was “someone will probably find him or help him??” and that’s exactly what happened yet for me, it felt like Swanfire’s little thing~ had finally ended there. The “I love you”s were almost said out of desperation (hello, it was almost/pretty much like life and death here) as opposed to a basis for them to renew a romantic relationship. Personally, I think Emma and Neal’s relationship won’t be anything more than platonic by the end of this.

[obisgirl]

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

They *could* try and do a triangle since they put Snowing in a triangle and it would parallel that a bit, but I really can’t see how she would ever go to Neal unless she felt it was out of obligation to try for Henry’s sake and even then it wouldn’t make her happy because she’s not that teenage girl anymore. She’s a strong, independent woman full of magic (which he hates), a family that wants to go to FTL to be together (which he hates) and she knows full well he never had any intention of coming to find her because he would have stayed away from her had he known who she was / wanted to marry someone else who then tried to kill him and kidnap their son. Those are not things that Emma can just forget, at least not the way she’s been written so far.

If they insist on going the obligation route, other than me throwing things, it better be over fast and just be another way of paralleling CaptainSwan with Snowing. After all, David felt obligated to stay with Kathryn but was still drawn to MM so it wouldn’t *surprise* me if they did that, especially with Henry and Rumple shipping SF so much, but I really hope they address the fact that Henry should be happy having everyone he loves in his life and that sometimes, in the real world, parents don’t end up together but they can still get along for his sake. If this were JUST fairy tales in FTL, I could see people’s point about them being meant to be for Henry’s sake and how sweet it is that their kid is bringing them back together etc etc. But these are fairy tale characters INFLUENCED by the real world, none of them moreso than Emma, and she better than anyone knows that life isn’t always like a fairytale.

Yes!

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

As someone posted on tumblr and I quoted here a few pages ago:

Hook coming back was a CHOICE.
Neal being alive is a status of being.

Another one I saw also on tumblr, Henry’s a souvenir.

[MysteryKat25]

@obisgirl wrote:

Another one I saw also on tumblr, Henry’s a souvenir.

Rofl! We do know that characters on this show like to collect those (especially a certain Swan girl…)

In looking over the conversation that Neal & Emma have in the bar in Manhattan, Neal makes a point about destiny and fate and that something must have come out of them knowing each other that made fate / destiny want to bring them together BACK THEN, which of course = Henry. He certainly doesn’t act like a man who suddenly has everything he’s ever wanted in front of him and is fighting for a chance to get it all back. Nope, not at all because he has a fiancee he’s going to marry (not that he mentions this) and just doesn’t want to be back in a world that has FTL people and magic and um, his DAD in it. Not once does he try to fight for Emma in that scene.

I know that people bring up the fate and destiny stuff a LOT with regards to SwanFire but I think this conversation in the bar is key. At this point he does NOT know about Henry, just that Emma has found her parents (like he wanted for her) and that she knows his dad who he is trying to stay away from. Emma, the woman he has supposedly loved and regretted not going after every single day for over a decade even though he is engaged to someone else, is standing RIGHT in front of him, pouring her heart out and he does absolutely nothing to reciprocate. The only remote hint of it is when he stands up to Rumple later by going back to his apartment and finding Rumple screaming at Emma, which is nice and I cheered for him but at the same time you left her in jail and abandoned her and never even bothered to admit that you loved her back then too when she said it just now and you think you’ll make up for it by telling your dad not to yell at her before telling them both to take a hike and get the heck out of town??

So let’s analyze the actual scene:

Neal: Well, what do you want to know, Emma? You want the truth? Ask away.
Emma: Did you know who I was when we met?
Neal: If I had, I wouldn’t have gone near you.
Emma: Come on.
Neal: “Come on”? Come on, what? I was in hiding. I came here to get… a-away from… all that crap.
Emma: So if you didn’t know, then you were just using me. You just needed someone to take the fall for all the watches that you stole.
Neal: I wasn’t using you. When we met, I didn’t know. I found out.
Emma: How?
Neal: When I went to sell the watches… I ran into a friend of yours –August.

Emma: (Very upset and angry, even moreso than before) You left me… And let me go to prison because Pinocchio told you to?
Neal: Emma-
Emma: I loved you.
Neal: I was trying to help you.
Emma: By letting me go to jail.
Neal: By getting you home.
Emma: Are you telling me… That us meeting was a coincidence? How the hell did that happen if it wasn’t in your plan or your father’s?!
Neal: Think about it. He wanted you to break the curse. Us meeting, that could’ve stopped it. Maybe it was fate.
Emma: You believe in that?
Neal: You know, there’s not a ton I remember about my father that doesn’t suck, but he used to tell me that there are no coincidences. Everything that happens happens by design, and there’s nothing we can do about it. Forces greater than us conspire to make it happen. Fate, destiny, whatever you want to call it, the point is, maybe we met for a reason. Maybe something good came from us being together.
Emma: No. Not that I can think of. I just went to jail. That’s it. Doesn’t matter now, I’m over it. And you. (She stands up, getting ready to leave)
Neal: Why do you wear the keychain I got you?
Emma: (She looks down at the keychain hanging on a cord around her neck. She pulls the cord, relesing it from her neck, then hands him the keychain.) To remind myself to never trust someone again. Come on. I made a deal with your father I’d bring you to him.
Neal: You made a deal with him?
Emma: Yeah, and I’m upholding my end.
Neal: No, no you don’t have to. You know that.
Emma: I know.
Neal: Okay. So this should be really easy for you. Tell him that you lost me. Tell him you can’t find me. You do that, you never have to see me again.

He’s right about getting her back to her family…and something good coming of all of it (Henry). He’s right that fate and destiny probably played a part in getting all of that to happen (ie: Henry is important – he helped break the curse by bringing Emma back, he brought Bae back to Rumple, and apparently he was super important long before he was born because the Lost Ones have a picture of him).

Not once does Neal say they were meant to be together FOREVER, but that “something good came from us being together” – aka, past tense. He was also pretty quick to tell Emma to get out of her deal with Rumple and lie about finding Neal so that she’d never have to see him again (and moreso that Rumple wouldn’t find him…) Does that sound like a man who is thrilled to have the “love of his life” in front of him again? Is he remotely fighting to get her to stay with him? NO. He is telling her to run away fast and that had he known who she was he never would have gone near her.

This goes back to the idea that all of Neal’s stuff relates to the PAST and Hook’s language focuses on the FUTURE.

If this is the set-up for true love on this show and CaptainSwan isn’t…then everything we ever knew is a lie and it’s all meaningless. Cause I just don’t understand…at all.

As I said earlier, I learned on Lost what the difference between wanting a pair to happen and actually seeing the setup for it happen. Right now I’m seeing a nice story *idea* for a very long and twisty road to *possibly* make SwanFire happen….and a lot of *actual, substantial set-up* for CaptainSwan.

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[surayya]

MysteryKat25 wrote:

They *could* try and do a triangle since they put Snowing in a triangle and it would parallel that a bit, but I really can’t see how she would ever go to Neal unless she felt it was out of obligation to try for Henry’s sake and even then it wouldn’t make her happy because she’s not that teenage girl anymore. She’s a strong, independent woman full of magic (which he hates), a family that wants to go to FTL to be together (which he hates) and she knows full well he never had any intention of coming to find her because he would have stayed away from her had he known who she was / wanted to marry someone else who then tried to kill him and kidnap their son. Those are not things that Emma can just forget, at least not the way she’s been written so far.

If they insist on going the obligation route, other than me throwing things, it better be over fast and just be another way of paralleling CaptainSwan with Snowing. After all, David felt obligated to stay with Kathryn but was still drawn to MM so it wouldn’t *surprise* me if they did that, especially with Henry and Rumple shipping SF so much, but I really hope they address the fact that Henry should be happy having everyone he loves in his life and that sometimes, in the real world, parents don’t end up together but they can still get along for his sake. If this were JUST fairy tales in FTL, I could see people’s point about them being meant to be for Henry’s sake and how sweet it is that their kid is bringing them back together etc etc. But these are fairy tale characters INFLUENCED by the real world, none of them moreso than Emma, and she better than anyone knows that life isn’t always like a fairytale.

Agreed- but I do feel Neal & Emma need to finish what they’ve started (remember A&E have said Emma does still LOVE Neal- that love is real, but I think she will come to realize there is romantic love, love of the person who helped create your child, love of friends, love of family & previous/lost love that will always be a treasured memory & how everyone in her life falls with in those categories), so a brief ‘together’ would work nicely, where she & he realizes they no-longer romantically love one another, despite loving each other (if that makes sense) I think Neal already knows Emma is his 1st love, but it was a love of the past not the future- that is why he moved on, but he will try again for the sake of seeing if that love is still the same now, for Henry & because Emma still says she loves him too. Then it will be done & over.
It’d also help Henry “SEE” that Happy Ever Afters require ALL parties to be Happy- not just him getting what he think he wants (aka the 2 people who made him together), rather getting what he actually wants- his whole family in his life happy & full of love 🙂
Honestly I would rather Emma & Killian develop a deep friendship during S3- helping each other over come their old ways, with Emma coming to rely on & trust Killian before they jump into a romantic relationship together- maybe mid season3 could be Emma & Killian ‘toying & dancing’ around the idea of a relationship, but Neal returns & leaves them all reeling, S3 ends with Neal & Emma trying again, but accepting it’s over romantically & Henry having a problem accepting it, with Neal having issues about going back to FTL. S4 has SC happen by mid season & everyone’s reactions to it 😉

If this is the set-up for true love on this show and CaptainSwan isn’t…then everything we ever knew is a lie and it’s all meaningless. Cause I just don’t understand…at all.

Agree 100% & that’s honestly why I don’t see SF as endgame or a ‘big’ scary obstacle for CS. Every TL couple we’ve seen on show, has been shown as having fought tooth & nail to be with their TL – not dumped them, run from them, then moved on with someone else as soon as they found out they were connected to someone evil/magical/bad etc Or out right said ‘if I knew WHO you were, I’d NEVER have gone near you’ (doesn’t TL destroy barriers of who & what people are on the show- a beast with a princess, a maid with a prince, a hunted princess turned bandit with a shepard/ fake prince?!?!)- Even Rumple who is supposed to be ruled by an evil curse & a total coward was going to go rescue Belle from her father to put right the wrong he had done in telling her to go, until Regina also told him she was dead. It’d make no sense at all for SF to be endgame unless they throw out all the previous TL/fate stuff (& besides one can argue strongly that Killian & Emma are bound by fate as TL- Killian may not be alive today if not for Rumple killing Milah, nor would Henry for that matter- Killian fished him out of the drink before he drowned or was killed by merfolk) 😉

[surayya]

@vroni wrote:

Doesn’t #12 of List #2 belong in List #1??

And obisgirl: in which episode do you see that Emma kept the handkerchief? Guess I missed that one…

Thanks for pointing that out 🙂 Have edited the lists for they are now correct 🙂

[surayya]

@yuka chan wrote:

@obisgirl wrote:

I watch soap operas too and this scenario, sounds too soapy for me. I don’t want Hook to be evil again. I think, when he came back from the finale, Hook is no more. He’s Killian again.

I agree with this! I also think having Hook go back to the “bad” side again would just make him Regina 2.0 with how she appears to be incapable of making a morally good decision without someone else to secure her there. I think Hook’s will to just be Killian Jones needs to be depicted as something he decided for himself rather than for Emma in order to for him to completely redeem himself.. Otherwise it’s like he’s repeating what he went through following Milah’s death (like Regina does), which takes away from his character development and the viewer is less likely to tolerate that too…

I never thought Neal would die like that. All I could think when he fell through the portal was “someone will probably find him or help him??” and that’s exactly what happened yet for me, it felt like Swanfire’s little thing~ had finally ended there. The “I love you”s were almost said out of desperation (hello, it was almost/pretty much like life and death here) as opposed to a basis for them to renew a romantic relationship. Personally, I think Emma and Neal’s relationship won’t be anything more than platonic by the end of this.

I Really don’t want them to have Killian do a Regina either- that is the one thing that drove me nuts with Regina this season- every couple of eps she goes from trying to be good, to a cold blooded, murderous psycho & back again – it gets very old, very fast & honestly it makes it VERY difficult to see how she can indeed be an accepted & cherished member of Charming/Stiltskin clan if they keep this up with her- I mean I think they’ve already crossed the line with the fact that the Mills have killed off all of Snows direct family line (aside from Emma & Cora tried to kill her, as has Regina- many times) & slaughtered hundreds of people who chose to hide Snow from Regina (that’s why Snow killing Cora & getting a blackened heart felt a little convenient to me). I’d hate for them to do the same for Killian- his character has too strong of a moral code for that sort of back & forth.

[surayya]

@obisgirl wrote:

Another one I saw also on tumblr, Henry’s a souvenir.

😆 😆 😆

[AllThatGlitters]

I’m sorry I’m going to ramble a bit:

I think that this show can go a bit soap opera like – look at the fact that the entire cast is practically related plus they had an “amnesia” storyline. That being said, I absolutely love the show.

I think Hook could go on the evil side only if it is for his gain. He is still a pretty selfish person, so I don’t see him changing overnight. I think it will take some time for him to be completely good.

As for Emma and Neal getting back together, I think it is possible. I think there needs to be closure. Their relationship was stunted because of the curse and I think if things play out they might find that the relationship worked for the people they were before but not for the people they have become.

I like what you said MysteryKat that it could be that Emma kind of focuses on the main story and less on her love life for awhile. It would be nice to see these guys try to fight for her. Right now, Hook has been the only one who has seemed to go towards that direction when he returned to help out in the last episode. As for Neal, I was hoping for a little more from his character. I was disappointed in the whole bar conversation with Emma and Neal in Manhattan and could probably go into more detail about that. Long story short: I was expecting more remorse from Neal. If it were me, no matter how much I loved a person and they did all that stuff to me and then on top of that did not act remorseful, I’d have a hard time forgiving him, let alone saying, “I love you”. I thought Emma was much stronger than that, IMO!

Emma’s character is all over the place this season and I’d like her to get back to Season 1 Emma with a little more love in her heart now that she has accepted Henry, Mary M. and Charming into her life. She is a strong woman and I’d hate to see her all of sudden change herself and become weak because of her love of Neal. For her, and this is true for anyone, she deserves to have someone absolutely adore her for who she is (ie her gift of knowing a lie) and someone who will fight for her. To me, Neal hasn’t done that so far like when makes fun of her lie detector skill sniffing out Tamara. Hook, on the other hand, respects Emma a lot and admires her strength. He seemed to be impressed that she could tell he was lying when they first met.

So now I’ve probably upset SF fans who probably check out this thread. I kept an open mind about Neal, but his character has not really redeemed in my eyes regarding what he did to Emma. Hook hasn’t had much screen time to develop the second half of this past season but when it comes to Emma he has always shown a glimpse of a different person. I think she brings out the good in him.

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[MysteryKat25]

Love everything you said AllThatGlitters (and don’t worry, I’m sure my rants upset SF fans WAY more than anything you just said!)

I too was hoping for more. I was pleasantly surprised (at first) that he didn’t turn out to be really truly awful because I expected the young Bae (who I absolutely love) to have been severely damaged and become some awful person (especially how Emma talked about him in season 1…) but he just hasn’t…fought for anything!

I tried to keep an open mind for a very long time and he just hasn’t done hardly anything to actively try to win people over. It’s a sweet story, I get it…but time and time again, he just leaves and does nothing to fix the problem. That bar scene really irked me, especially when you realize the only reason he really came back is for Henry (nor did he even TRY to get Emma, or make her feel better about how things went down, or like you said SHOW ANY REMORSE AT ALL for a very long time). He just….he says one thing and he does another. It’s like he thinks “oh how cute she’s jealous let me grin like an idiot because she still cares about me” while he’s about to tell everyone how much he loves and needs Tamara. It’s kinda sickening at times. Deep down young Bae is still in there somewhere and I have hope for him, just not with Emma.

IF they want me to remotely believe in any hope for SF they need to SHOW me something to believe in! The more they show of Neal’s antics in SB the more I believe in CaptainSwan.

I can play devil’s advocate on most things and while I get where people are coming from occasionally on the SF front I just don’t see how the rest of what he’s said / done can be ignored *so quickly* – if they go that route then they need to show Emma being conflicted and actually confront him about stuff. She is NOT a weak person and she’s said a lot of things to him and his responses are never…well they don’t really help his case much, do they? So if they go that route, she can’t just leap into a relationship with him (especially if she just ditches whatever she is building with Hook in the meantime to run back to him “just because he’s alive”).

As VIEWERS, people can say all they want because as viewers, we know all of it (or at least more than the characters). We realize what he did was to get her to her family and let her fulfill her destiny blah blah blah. Does he have feelings for her? Sure why not? She’s an awesome person. Were they in love once, over a decade ago? Sure, why not? THINGS CHANGE – EMMA has changed.

Sadly I think they do have to address things (whether that’s have a relationship for a little bit or just sit down and talk about stuff a lot I don’t know – I’m hoping the latter), but there definitely needs to be actual closure for Emma so that she can move on with anyone. We saw how damaged she was even a decade later by how she treated Graham early on. She has a lot of walls and even though her gut was saying to trust Hook up the beanstalk, she couldn’t bring herself to because she’d been burned so badly by Neal.

I agree with the last part too, Emma brings out the best in Hook; the side of him that hasn’t really been seen much in hundreds of years. Can’t wait til she really gets to meet Killian vs the Hook persona. She knows he’s in there somewhere and I strongly believe that side of him is what came back on the ship. I really love the fact that he was so serious this last episode and that Emma is the only person he really lets his guard down for (present day). Hopefully some of that will become more permanent if he starts trusting the group when they’re in NL – or at least get along with Snowing. I really really want Snowing to be supportive of Emma and not judgey about whoever she ends up with and Hook has a long way to go with them. (I’m with JMO though – Charming hasn’t once addressed – or punched Neal out – for sending his little girl to jail, bailing on her for years and then showing up out of nowhere so he better not take it easy on and root for Neal over Hook or I’m gonna have to be mad at his David Nolan side again for being such a hypocrite. At least seeing Hook probably go out of his way to save Henry should give them all some bonding time.

Hook still has that roguish charm to him but he wasn’t flinging innuendos around which gives it more merit. One of the things that irks me so much about how CS is characterized by the fandom is that Neal is put on a pedestal and Hook is boiled down to innuendos. Why most don’t see that’s just his armor I don’t know, but he’s just as guarded as Emma, just shows it different.

Neal gets put on a pedestal of “he was doing it for the right reasons and he’s regretted it everyday! they’re so sweet & they have a kid! must be true love!” and stating is as fact when he hasn’t redeemed himself at all (though he may…) and nothing ON THE SHOW has *proven* their love to be “true love” – until a true love’s whatever (kiss, or product of true love, or SOMETHING) proves it, it’s not canon, no matter how much you want to believe it is (goes for any and all ships).

Conversely I hear all the time that Hook is all innuendo and he flirts with everyone and doesn’t care about anyone except himself and that Emma isn’t special to him – the fact that he WAS so serious this episode and that it WAS both the BEAN and the scratchings on the helm that brought him back, if I hear he only came back for Bae one more time I am going to scream! His innuendos are part of his Hook armor – which he clearly dropped in the last episode. He let himself be open to Emma once again, even though she burned him before (and she explained it to him at the time – also now that he realizes WHO she was talking about back on the beanstalk, a lot more probably clicked).

As for the ship and him coming back…he was tossing that bean over and over in his hand and the bean has been a symbol of theirs since Tallahassee – it was the combo of the bean and the scratchings that brought him back (and remember, he thinks Neal is dead at this point too so coming back solely for a dead guy really isn’t Hook’s style, even if it is Milah’s son – Bae hurt Hook as well, emotionally scarring him to a point where he gave in to his revenge 100% until now, when EMMA offered him the same thing he once offered to Bae – parallel = no coincidence).

Ultimately Emma deserves to be with someone who will fight for her and alongside her. Time and time again, we see Neal jumping out of the way. In the bar he offered her a chance to get out of there fast so she wouldn’t tell his dad where he was….in the pawn shop he LITERALLY jumped out of the way of the fireball coming straight AT EMMA and CHARMING was the one to jump in and protect his little girl. I need to find that gif again but seriously? Heck, the ones that Emma has ABANDONED have fought harder for her than the one who left her in jail.

I just…I can’t wrap my head around HOW the story could be true love if they want to make CS a fling and SF endgame. It just…it does not compute! Not with everything we’ve seen (ignoring the subjective stuff – including all of the intense stares that Hook & Emma share, if we ONLY look at the actual parallels, wording, camera shots etc…) pointing to one and not the other. They set up the first real glimpse of SF and being the actual PAST and paralleled it to present day with CS and even that’s not enough apparently. *sigh*

I think they made Neal seem too sweet and a victim in Tallahassee and people fell in love with him and just took out all of their anger on August instead. It doesn’t account for still being happy with him after Manhattan though… I guess they just see family! and assume they’ll all be together and everything will be fine. Rumple ships it and Henry will so that must be it right? Who cares how Emma’s felt for the last decade, it’s all August’s fault! (Grr – seriously? TELL ME that isn’t the general line of thinking cause it makes me want to pull my hair out).

I just…I agree August is partly to blame but that doesn’t take into account Neal’s actions AT ALL! He still chose to NOT GO BACK after the postcard. Hate August however much you want but HE GAVE NEAL A WAY OUT AND A WAY BACK TO EMMA – Neal CHOSE not to take it. Make of that what you will.

Season 3 is going to feel like an eternity. Getting to it is only half the wait, especially if we spend the first half (as many are suggesting) waiting for Emma to find out that Neal is alive. While it should make for LOTS of great storyline with all the people on the ship in NL (all stuff I am very much looking forward to, ESPECIALLY CaptainSwan interaction), we’re going to be hearing a LOT of negative stuff all season. 🙁 (Unless we get super lucky and people see a different side to Hook and learn to love the CaptainSwan interaction – plus we don’t know what might happen in conversations about Neal between them where we learn more of Emma’s thinking on all of it – so far it’s just been about what it’ll do to Henry…)

I’m more concerned about how they’re going to show Neal’s side of the adventure – if they keep making him out to be a victim of course more people will root for him to get back to Emma and then it’ll make EMMA look like the bad guy if she chooses Hook, especially since that will make for the 2nd woman in Neal’s life he believes Hook has “stolen” from him – Neal is NOT innocent in all of this (just like Hook did NOT “steal” Milah but it broke up the family nonetheless). Regardless of Neal’s logic, confessing love right after the woman you “loved” and “needed” and were going to marry shooting you and sending you through a portal does NOT make for an epic get back to your love storyline. Nor does it erase any of the past that has to be addressed – so he better be focused on getting back to his FAMILY and his SON and any mention of Emma is just that. If they dwell too much on him trying to get back to her then it’ll be tragic and making her a villain. (However, if it drives him to bond with Regina someday and end up with her or someone else then fine, I’ll deal with the twisted logic of making Emma seem like a horrible person for daring to move on from the father of her son who abandoned her in jail and then she thought he was dead. Seriously how dare she?)

Until Emma actually chooses and/or proves true love with Hook, it will only ever be “but Neal is alive and when he comes back CS is dead” – which means we’ll probably have to wait til this time next season for anything legit to hold on to that people will actually SEE and concede on. Whether you like a pairing or not, once they’re proven as true love that’s it, they’re true love. Until Emma makes a choice and it’s set in stone in some way, brace yourselves.

In the meantime maybe some time in FTL with MAP will help Neal grow up a bit. I think being 14 for soooo many years fried his brain a bit. I love young Bae, I see moments of NealFire that I can like, but just…not in a relationship with Emma. I’m all for him forming relationships with everyone else and staying close for Henry’s sake but I just don’t see how it could possibly be a healthy relationship for SwanFire. They’ve got their work cut out for them if they want me to believe, that’s basically what I’m saying.

For now I shall enjoy the long lists of ways they’ve set up CaptainSwan and not in the “delusional, shipper goggle” way but in the actual, let’s study what they’ve actually shown us and see what we can come up with way.

Looking forward to Season 2 hitting Netflix so I can get better quality screenshots for season 2 stuff. I want to do a complete rewatch and really study all of it and how they’ve shown us the stories for: Emma (who she is as a person), Snowing, SwanThief/Fire, Millian, and of course CaptainSwan. From everything I’ve seen so far, the parallels are still in CS favor and I look forward to seeing quantifiable data to that affect so keep the lists coming! I’ll try to put something together myself once I can get the better screenshots!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[AllThatGlitters]

You made a lot of great points MysteryKat! I think Neal needs to take responsibility for his actions towards Emma. I would respect him more if he did. I really hope the writers explore more of these characters and their relationships for Season 3. 🙂

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