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August 31, 2014 at 2:07 pm #281264Bo-PeepsParticipant
Geez guys, I cant believe how out in the wider fandom (aka- NOT this site) hard core SF/NF shippers/fans have actually embraced Hook & CS… had another conversation- this time on FB & deliberate. It seems many SF/NF fans started to really like Hook & be ok with CS around mid 3B
Yup.
Genuine fans are moving with the flow and the new adventures or if they CAN’T with THAT…are going somewhere where they can actually support something and be positive. It would certainly wear on one’s soul to always be complaining and blaming and wallowing. Killjoys are their own worst enemies.
Their choice. It is a lot more fun to feel good/positively anxious about things.
Even things that you know will keep you on the edge of your vicarious-fantasy-living seat on Sunday nights! Hook, Rumple, Regina, Belle, Charmings, and leather-loving Emma will all give us plenty of angst and torment and laughs and snark and sass and oooOOOooo’s and Holy WTH? moments.
Not long nowwwww.
Happy Labor Day to the stateside Oncers!
Happy Sunday to everyone else 🙂
I am off to rewatch Jamie and Claire 😉 on my KindleFire. “Sing me a song of a lass that is gone. Say, could that lass be I…”
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August 31, 2014 at 11:32 pm #281298Epona_610ParticipantOne deleted scene I wish hadnt been cut Interesting thoughts on it though ….
“Pirate”
Man could have run off and tried to get his revenge. Could have done anything he liked, high on pain medication as he clearly is. And what does he do? Go chasing down Emma Swan to show her the weird thing he found. “SWAN! SWAN! SWAN! I BROUGHT YOU A THING! LOOK! IT JIGGLES!!!!!”
…. Will never not amuse me. You literally did some sort of voodoo on the cuffs to get free, and instead of making a break for it, you go SEEKING OUT the woman who cuffed you in the first place. Boyfriend, your feels are showing and you aren’t even TRYING to hide them.
…. I think he has a thing for getting Emma to handcuff him to things…
…. S4…bring back the freakin handcuffs!!!
Hahaha, I love that scene too. I remember during “Quiet Minds” trying to explain to the people I was watching with why it was really funny that Hook brought jello to Neal while he was in the hospital.
I have to say though, that does seem like a reasonable reaction to seeing jello for the first time. It’s freaky-looking stuff, especially when it’s that unnatural blue color…
September 1, 2014 at 1:09 am #281302surayyaParticipantGenuine fans are moving with the flow and the new adventures
I think you hit the nail on the head there- genuine fans of the show, are in love with the show 1st, rather than their respective ships. I have no problem with people watching just for a ship or character they love -thats how I got through S2 😉 But having a long drawn out *bleep* session over why the show has gone down hill & how sad you are still that your ship or character is gone, is frankly not doing anyone any favors & 7 odd mths down the track is more along the lines of either immature behavior or a sign they need to go seek help :/ Either take a break from the fandom/show or deal & move on- it really is that simple- it is fiction not reality after all!
It is a lot more fun to feel good/positively anxious about things. Even things that you know will keep you on the edge of your vicarious-fantasy-living seat on Sunday nights! Hook, Rumple, Regina, Belle, Charmings, and leather-loving Emma will all give us plenty of angst and torment and laughs and snark and sass and oooOOOooo’s and Holy WTH? moments.
That it is & I cant wait for the fun to begin again! So much stuff to look forward to & piece together 😀 😀 😀 😀
So I was thinking about the show this morning & wondering how you guys think they are going to handle the big bads for here on out? I’m not sure they can really keep going with 2 a season- there’s not really that many magical villains (& lets face it, with Regina, Rumple & Emma being powerful/all powerful- the bad guy either needs magic or to wield a magical object lol 😉 )…
This may not be popular, but I’d almost like to see Rumple go ‘bad’ again for 1/2 to a full season to push his redemption/ choosing love/Belle/Henry over his addiction to power/magic arc forward. Then…
Do you guys think we’ll keep getting 2 big bads a season or drop back down to one again?
Do you think it might get repetitive if they are always fighting another big bad every half season/season?
What else would you like to see happen, rather than fighting big bads?
I wish Snowing still wanted to go back to the EF, because that could have worked to break up always fighting someone…. I do want more info on the “the finale battle” & it’s “beginning” …. we’ve not heard anything about that since the pilot. I am interested to find out what happens to the EF if most of the iconic figures have abandoned the place to come here- what repercussions does that have on fairy tales in general?- since our fairy tales are their reality. What are the repercussions of bringing magic to a land without magic? Do our FTL characters even want to stay in SB? Do they want to move out into other areas of our world, go back to EF etc. It’s not like Snowing (as far as we know), gave everyone the option of being transported back to SB or not… maybe there could be backlash from that…. I just hope we get some other situations rather that always fighting some big bad all the time, if you know what I mean 🙂
September 1, 2014 at 1:23 am #281303surayyaParticipantI have to say though, that does seem like a reasonable reaction to seeing jello for the first time. It’s freaky-looking stuff, especially when it’s that unnatural blue color…
Lol, I grew up with brothers, sister & mother who all ate jello- for some weird reason I cant stand the stuff & have always thought it looked freaky no matter what colour- green, purple, red, orange, pink or blue lol. I still grimace when I get offered the stuff *shudders just thinking about it*
September 1, 2014 at 2:17 am #281304ellemo78ParticipantSo I was thinking about the show this morning & wondering how you guys think they are going to handle the big bads for here on out? I’m not sure they can really keep going with 2 a season- there’s not really that many magical villains (& lets face it, with Regina, Rumple & Emma being powerful/all powerful- the bad guy either needs magic or to wield a magical object lol )…
This may not be popular, but I’d almost like to see Rumple go ‘bad’ again for 1/2 to a full season to push his redemption/ choosing love/Belle/Henry over his addiction to power/magic arc forward. Then…
Not unpopular with me. I miss crazy imp Rumple doing all his weird accents and flailing hands. And it would push Belle a little more too, perhaps she can see that he hasn’t got that true heart she keeps spouting. And perhaps if his actions causes Belle to leave, he’ll realise he just can’t go around doing whatever he likes.
Do you guys think we’ll keep getting 2 big bads a season or drop back down to one again?
Do you think it might get repetitive if they are always fighting another big bad every half season/season?Yes drop it back down to one, and yes. I think it will be a little formulaic if they keep going down the half season big bad. I think one of the main characters needs to go bad again, or at least dark. The first season was great b/c you essentially have four big bads, Regina, the Evil Queen, Rumple, Gold. Whereas these days Rumple isn’t as bad as what he was and Regina is turning, but in flashbacks they’re still their evil selves. So they obv need someone to fight, that is making a mess of their little lives in SB.
What else would you like to see happen, rather than fighting big bads?
I wish Snowing still wanted to go back to the EF, because that could have worked to break up always fighting someone…. I do want more info on the “the finale battle” & it’s “beginning” …. we’ve not heard anything about that since the pilot. I am interested to find out what happens to the EF if most of the iconic figures have abandoned the place to come here- what repercussions does that have on fairy tales in general?- since our fairy tales are their reality. What are the repercussions of bringing magic to a land without magic? Do our FTL characters even want to stay in SB? Do they want to move out into other areas of our world, go back to EF etc. It’s not like Snowing (as far as we know), gave everyone the option of being transported back to SB or not… maybe there could be backlash from that…. I just hope we get some other situations rather that always fighting some big bad all the time, if you know what I mean
I’m with you. The constant new season or even half season big bad will get old I reckon. They’ve already got some pretty good situations they can use. For one, how is the townline going to work now? Can people leave? Can they deal with life outside their little magical town? We’ve got a few characters who don’t have modern day memories (Hook, Hood and his Merry Men, Tink) surely they can do something with that.
I think Grumpy said he was homesick at one point. It’s strange how Snowing didn’t give anyone a choice on whether or not they came back to SB under the new curse. They knew that the curse didn’t take absolutely everyone in FTL, they could have given people a chance to get outside the curse (or get put in a Cora-esque bubble) and stay in the EF if they wanted. It was a bit selfish really for Snowing to cast the curse again, when in reality it was only their family affected by the WWotW’s plan.Lol, I grew up with brothers, sister & mother who all ate jello- for some weird reason I cant stand the stuff & have always thought it looked freaky no matter what colour- green, purple, red, orange, pink or blue lol. I still grimace when I get offered the stuff *shudders just thinking about it*
You don’t like jelly??? Oh wow, I didn’t think there was anyone in the world who didn’t like jelly! Well I never liked it with ice-cream, but still, it’s brilliant! And blue jelly was always my favourite, the less natural looking, the better. 😉
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
September 1, 2014 at 10:07 am #281312surayyaParticipantOk, So saw this in my wanderings:
So I saw a BA/SFer question: why CSers who ship Rumbelle can’t support SF, because apparently if you can support Belle not giving up on loving Rumple despite their issues, the same should be for Emma and Neal not giving up on each other despite Neal’s own “flaws.”
My answer to this is simple- context… big, giant, fat, flashing neon lights, context.
Sure Rumple was a jerk for chucking Belle in a cell & an even bigger jerk when he told her to leave, but-
1) Belle chose to be there/ go with him & had no illusions about who he was, what he was capable of & why she was there.
2) She is emotionally strong.
3) Knew what & why, what happened was happening, as it played out.
4) She & Rumple weren’t ‘together’ yet, so there wasn’t that deep intimat connection of trust & love well established.
5) It wasn’t like Rumple actively set Belle up for the EQ to catch & throw into a cell, then walked off into the sunset. Rumple told Belle to leave. Then without Rumple’s knowledge, Regina caught her & threw her in a cell- Rumple thought Belle dead, if he’d known otherwise, he’d have gone after her & fought for her, which is the whale sized difference between the 2 couples & why they arent the “same or similar”Neal knew Emma:
1) Wanted family badly
2) Had abandonment issues
3) Felt unworthy
4) Was a hurting teenager
Maybe 5) Had trust issues? (not sure if these came about post Neal or not) & then he not only just up & abandons her, disappearing out of her life with no explanation or good bye, he also lets her be sent to jail for a crime he committed. Emma had no clue it was coming, what was happening or why. She had dropped her walls for him- loved him, trusted him with all her heart & Neal went & betrayed her on every level for it.
He knowingly reinforced every major issue Emma had in life & made them 100% worse. His actions alone meant Emma:
1) Wouldn’t allow herself to trust- at all, as people cant be trusted.
2) Thought she’d never be good enough to love/ have family & gave up her baby.
3) Thought everyone, no matter what they said or how they acted, would always choose to abandon her when it came down to it.
4) Couldn’t allow herself to have feelings for or love anyone, as they’d simply destroy her for it- it took her son dying for her to fully accept she “loved” him.
Neal almost single-handedly destroyed Emma on an emotional level & what made it so much worse, was he chose not to bother going to find her & at least apologise for his actions when he knew where she was, after the curse was broken- in short Neal chose not to fight for Emma at least twice, he chose not to bother looking for her at least twice, despite knowing she was alive & loved him/had loved him.The person who answered the above question, also pointed out that comparing Rumbelle & SF doesnt make sense, as they are so different in intent- the closest thing to SF is Rumple/Milah – here’s the link (the gif set shows uncanny parallels & it really struck me how often the show has directly paralleled CS with Snowing & SF with Rumple/Milah- from lines of dialogue, to situation/choices)
September 1, 2014 at 10:27 am #281314PriceofMagicParticipantI think they could have one big bad per season but spread them out over the two arcs. Either have the big bad win the first arc then get defeated in the second arc or have them beaten in the first arc but come back with a vengeance for the second arc and their final defeat.
They could’ve spread Neverland out for the entire 22 episodes and saved Zelena for season 4 (Though that would have made for a very depressing Summer hiatus because of Rumple’s death.)
For Neverland, they could’ve:
Shown Storybrooke every episode so that it wasn’t missed. They could’ve shown Belle watching the ship leave in the first episode. Also there was a power vacuum since all the go to people (Snowing, Regina, Emma) were in Neverland so they could’ve shown Belle dealing with that. Instead we were told that everything was a-ok up to Ariel’s arrival.
There would’ve been opportunity to show backstory for several characters such as Tinkerbell, Felix, Bae’s time in Neverland, Pan, Wendy in Neverland, even what Hook did for Pan. All those characters would’ve interacted at some point. What was the “dirty work” Hook did for Pan? Why did Felix hope he’d never see Bae again? How did Wendy get back to Neverland? What was Hook and Tink’s history? How did Bae and Tink know each other? What did Bae do on the island in his cave? All these unanswered questions that, unless there is a Neverland spinoff, won’t be answered.
Shown what Henry actually did at Pan’s camp and actually have Henry do something. Why did he trust Pan over his own parents? How did Pan get the picture of Henry.
3A could’ve ended with them coming back from Neverland on the ship. We think everything’s okay but shock horror, Pan switched bodies with Henry and nobody knows it.
3B could’ve dealt with Pan and Felix creating havoc in Storybrooke. Pan is dividing the heroes right when they need to stick together. They could’ve shown Pan and Felix gathering the things they need for the curse and taking the time to do that. As it stands, Pan and Felix are either the most efficient curse casters, having everything they need in “less than a day”, or Regina was just really lazy about casting the curse that it took her nearly nine months to get her act together.
3B could’ve ended the same way as 3A (though that was really depressing and felt so much like a series finale) All that we saw in 3A would’ve been included but it would’ve been fleshed out over 22 episodes rather than forced into 11.
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Keeper of FelixSeptember 1, 2014 at 10:45 am #281318surayyaParticipantYou don’t like jelly??? Oh wow, I didn’t think there was anyone in the world who didn’t like jelly! Well I never liked it with ice-cream, but still, it’s brilliant! And blue jelly was always my favourite, the less natural looking, the better.
LOL, it’s true & I’ll wave my ‘eww Jelly’ flag with pride lol 😛 😉
‘Tis an unnatural looking thing to be placing in ones mouth & it tastes like watered down refined sugar, which I find gross (but then I’ve never liked the taste of refined sugar). Nope I’ll stick with 100% berry &/or fruit sorbet for my deserts & leave the jelly to the rest of the world lol 😛 😉September 1, 2014 at 10:57 am #281320surayyaParticipantI think they could have one big bad per season but spread them out over the two arcs. Either have the big bad win the first arc then get defeated in the second arc or have them beaten in the first arc but come back with a vengeance for the second arc and their final defeat.
They could’ve spread Neverland out for the entire 22 episodes and saved Zelena for season 4 (Though that would have made for a very depressing Summer hiatus because of Rumple’s death.)
For Neverland, they could’ve:
Shown Storybrooke every episode so that it wasn’t missed. They could’ve shown Belle watching the ship leave in the first episode. Also there was a power vacuum since all the go to people (Snowing, Regina, Emma) were in Neverland so they could’ve shown Belle dealing with that. Instead we were told that everything was a-ok up to Ariel’s arrival.
There would’ve been opportunity to show backstory for several characters such as Tinkerbell, Felix, Bae’s time in Neverland, Pan, Wendy in Neverland, even what Hook did for Pan. All those characters would’ve interacted at some point. What was the “dirty work” Hook did for Pan? Why did Felix hope he’d never see Bae again? How did Wendy get back to Neverland? What was Hook and Tink’s history? How did Bae and Tink know each other? What did Bae do on the island in his cave? All these unanswered questions that, unless there is a Neverland spinoff, won’t be answered.
Shown what Henry actually did at Pan’s camp and actually have Henry do something. Why did he trust Pan over his own parents? How did Pan get the picture of Henry.
3A could’ve ended with them coming back from Neverland on the ship. We think everything’s okay but shock horror, Pan switched bodies with Henry and nobody knows it.
3B could’ve dealt with Pan and Felix creating havoc in Storybrooke. Pan is dividing the heroes right when they need to stick together. They could’ve shown Pan and Felix gathering the things they need for the curse and taking the time to do that. As it stands, Pan and Felix are either the most efficient curse casters, having everything they need in “less than a day”, or Regina was just really lazy about casting the curse that it took her nearly nine months to get her act together.
3B could’ve ended the same way as 3A (though that was really depressing and felt so much like a series finale) All that we saw in 3A would’ve been included but it would’ve been fleshed out over 22 episodes rather than forced into 11.
I agree they could have fleshed it out more for sure, to get to 22eps, they also could have stretched out Emma finally ‘believing’ by at least one more season, as they could have done when Emma & Snow went to EF, but they didnt.
I’m just hoping what ever they end up doing, they keep the character moments in the eps. Part of why I disliked S2, is it felt like we rarely got to experience the characters dealing with/reacting to anything on a personal level & I believe that’s where a lot of ‘misunderstandings’ sprung up- like what Emma was actually thinking & feeling, what Snowing were thinking & feeling, even what Henry was thinking & feeling with regards to certain sections of the fandom.September 1, 2014 at 11:10 am #281322surayyaParticipantSomething else I found on my online wanderings (this is from waaaay back in S2, but has some very valid points)…
…This is partly why I like the Hook and Emma interactions so much. Hook would never have left Milah. He loved her too much to hurt her like that – especially on the word of someone like Pinocchio. It’s obvious in everything he does that the people he loves are absolutely treasured by him. With how perceptive Emma is she would have seen this, she could have trusted this. When she handcuffed Hook at the top of the beanstalk she said “I can’t take the chance that I’m wrong about you”. This all comes back to Neal and her inability to trust people. Hook was also genuinely hurt that she abandoned him, he wouldn’t have taken it so badly otherwise. He didn’t take it badly that she didn’t believe him about the blacksmith ruse or when she was obviously going to leave him to the ogres tied to a tree. This was because she was right, on top of the beanstalk she wasn’t. Emma trusts Hook far more quickly than she’s trusted anyone else on the show. She opens up to him about her personal life and the event in her life that hurt her more deeply than anything else. She hasn’t even talked to Mary Margaret about that, but her and Hook are sort of kindred spirits in that they were both irreparably damaged by the loss of someone they loved. Lost in different ways but they were still hurt. She left him on the beanstalk because she felt that she could trust him and she was afraid of that.
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