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September 1, 2014 at 10:52 pm #281375
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Participant@ellemo78, I’ll get you the link and you tell me if it’s you
Okay, I don’t know whether that’s more funny or sad! No, actually I’m going with funny, but it IS a little sad how much they’re grasping at straws in an effort to denigrate Hook. And even if they wanted to show a strip club (which they don’t), I don’t think they could if they want to keep the PG rating.
[adrotate group="5"]September 1, 2014 at 10:59 pm #281376surayya
ParticipantI was more a “Pudding” kid. (Grin)
Over here pudding = the same as dessert, but I’m assuming you mean ‘pudding’ as in ‘cake type thing with sauce on it’?
@ellemo78, I’ll get you the link and you tell me if it’s you http://wishforrainbow.tumblr.com/post/96283455442/sulietford-bnaz-shipping-aside-what-the?og=1&fb_action_ids=1470425663238133&fb_action_types=tumblr-feed%3Areblog
Oh no that’s definitely not me! They obviously don’t have a sense of humour.
Ugh, no they dont, do they :/
I do think it would be very funny if someone spoofed that scene into him coming out of a strip joint though- like changed out the music to ‘bow chicka wow wow’ or something …… *wishes on a star for someone, somewhere to get creative & make a parody of that whole promo* lol …. it cant be me, my laptop wont allow any free movie editing software to function on it- stupid win 8 🙁
Oh- they could turn his scene into a leaves strip joint & cut Regina & Emma into it with “Here we go again” & “Really?!” lol
& nope there’s obvs not going to be a strip joint in a family friendly show lol
September 1, 2014 at 11:25 pm #281378surayya
ParticipantJust got done reading this meta on which ship’ the poster thinks in most popular & why- I found some points rather interesting:
Anonymous said: Do you think Captain Swan is the most popular ship? Or do you think it’s Swan Queen, Rumbelle, or Snowing? Lol I know it isn’t Swanfire. Sorry but not sorry lol. CS just seems to get so much hate though, but maybe this is due to their popularity?? I don’t really pay attention to polls or facebook etc…Just what I see on tumblr and twitter
Hmmm, good question and hard to pin point, but….I’ll come out and say that I do think CS is probably the most popular ship and find my reasons below:
Aside from a few vocal, whiney fans, the only polls SF ever wins are “worst couple” or Bagel’s still leading in “Dead Man Walking”. Even somewhat SMF positive sites admit Bagel’s incredibly unpopular.
Snowing is largely out because while they are the core family, etc—-they’re really only moderately popular separately and they’ve become quite boring and back burnered. While I don’t take internet polls as gospel (more on that later), Snowing generally barely even registers. tbh, I didn’t even know there WERE still Snowing shippers
That said, about polls: internet polls are painfully unscientific—-a group of rabid fans, quickly clearing cookies is all that’s needed to completely skew the results of poll, rendering it meaningless. And nowhere do we see this more than with SQ.
Why am I convinced SQ isn’t the most popular? To begin, it’s a crack!ship, so it’s hard, honestly to take it seriously to begin with. Even if many people did support it, most viewers of a show still go with actual, cannon pairings, not fantasy. Not only is it a crack!ship, it’s a crack!ship that will never, ever happen.
However, I do think they’re rather vociferous fan base that for some reason feels by winning internet polls (though whatever means necessary), they’ll achieve legitimacy. Ironically, they’re remarkably similar to the Tea Party—-they’re insular (“everyone I know is SQ/a tea partier”) and assume that yelling loudly translates to hard numbers (it doesn’t, with the Tea Party, scientifically conducted polls show only 20% of the country views them in any sort of positive light, down by almost half in just 4 years).
Rumbelle is the only ship that’s close or might even beat CS in popularity, in fact many CSers also support Rumbelle. For a variety of reasons, I personally don’t (among other things, SparkleDark much more interesting bad)——but I actually suspect overall most people aren’t all that invested in them. Again, their fans are simply very, very loud.
As for why CS engenders so much hate—-here’s an interesting thing diehard SF, SQ and Rumbelle all have in common (and again, share with the Tea Party), even as they’re loudly insisting they’re the most popular, they’re gonna win, stupid , delusional CS losers….they’re also all painting themselves as victims when their ship’s storyline doesn’t go as planned.
Even though Rumbelle is a cannon ship and it’s clearly the show’s style to put couples through hell, its shippers are endlessly whining about this. With SF, Bagel is generally in the background to begin with, and the show is pretty obvious about its CS leanings——so there’s a lot of whining, SQ is never gonna happen. So CS is seen the obstacle and the showrunners, the actors and the CS shippers are targets of the other ships’ frustrations. Or more simply, they’re jealous and act like petty b!%@hes because of it.
Other sources supporting CS’s popularity: contrary to what other ships claim, ABC’s publicity department is NOT incompetent, they heavily feature Colin because he’s money and what the fans want. Simple, recent example? Today’s VD cards on the Once FB page—-Hook’s received over 100K “likes”, the next most “liked” was Charmz’s at 39K, and this is consistent for Colin’s FB pictures. CS is constantly getting press coverage, being recognized as best this or best that. No other couple makes that extensive a cross over impression.
Which translates to not only does the devoted, online fandom (which actually represents a very small percentage of viewership as a whole) like CS, the casual viewer does too. So in reality, there’s no question CS is the most popular girl in school!
P.S. sorry this got so long. You hit a subject I’m fascinated by and love to discuss!
http://zumpie.tumblr.com/post/76709008572/do-you-think-captain-swan-is-the-most-popular-ship-or
The person makes some good points- Although I dont agree with everything they’ve said, there’s a few generalizations in there that I dont quite agree with.
September 2, 2014 at 1:26 am #281384surayya
ParticipantJust thought of a good analogy for romantic relationships- If we think of trust between people being like a currency, with people building up this currency by being reliable, generous & consistent. They then spend the currency when they trust others to reciprocate. So trust becomes the clue that holds people together.
If you turn that into Neal & Emma- Emma spent massive ‘sums’ of trust on Neal- being reliable (she had eyes only for Neal, followed his lead & put his well being & desires above her own), generous (she offered to collect his stolen goods, to keep him ‘safe’) & consistent (she spent at least a year or 2 looking for him even after he betrayed her).
Neal, especially at the end of their romantic relationship, took her massive deposit & left. He didnt ever make another meaningful deposit/reciprocate- in short he bankrupted Emma’s trust in men entirely & him specifically- she may have loved him, but she didnt trust him to the point where she could be totally vulnerable with him again. The most Neal could have hoped for & what we got a brief glimpse of, is enough trust deposited to become ‘comfortable’ friends, but because there will always be cracks in Emma’s ‘Neal bank of trust’, they never allow the trust in him to grow to the point where she could ever trust him so intimately again.
Killian meet Emma when her ‘trust of men bank’ was pretty much empty, as her ‘Neal bank’ was still bleeding currency from it. However, Killian chose to spend trust on Emma, even after she betrayed him, so when she eventually reciprocated in spending a little trust on him, they both found their banks slowly but surly growing action by action, choice by choice & day by day, until all of a sudden Emma had a ‘bank of Killian’ & Killian had a ‘bank of Emma’- as long as they both continue to spend trust on each other, in order to maintain that build up of trust, we’ll have CS 🙂September 2, 2014 at 8:06 am #281387PriceofMagic
ParticipantOkay, I don’t know whether that’s more funny or sad! No, actually I’m going with funny, but it IS a little sad how much they’re grasping at straws in an effort to denigrate Hook. And even if they wanted to show a strip club (which they don’t), I don’t think they could if they want to keep the PG rating.
Here was my response to that
As Emma would say: Really?
The bar Hook was coming out of was the Rabbit Hole. Not a strip joint. Ladies Night just means they’ve got a special promotion on, probably that ladies get cheap drinks if they go to the Rabbit Hole on that night.
I know Hook gets a lot of hate from some members of the Neal/SF faction for various reasons, but this one is just stupid. Hook literally just came out of a door, watched Elsa walk by, whist stood by a sign that said “Ladies Night” yet apparently that automatically means he was at a strip club. Seriously? Hate him all you want but a least ground your hate in fact and truth rather than making stuff up just to try and make the character look bad.
Oh, please do link to Zelena nominating Hook for Ice bucket- I havent seen that yet, sounds like fun

http://dominatrixes.tumblr.com/post/95809300721



All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSeptember 2, 2014 at 9:01 am #281390PriceofMagic
ParticipantThought I’d link to some Screwball Ninja OUAT essays that may be of interest
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/57657612406/milah-the-curse-of-poverty-essay-in-6-parts
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/58097071948/hook-not-quite-a-gentleman-essay-in-4-parts
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/62363283978/the-one-ouat-essay-you-have-to-read-ready-for
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/66600906269/this-is-random-but-if-hook-had-by-chance-ended-up
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/76975609253/hook-post-neverland-a-lover-still-not-a
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/86323198731/hook-behind-the-chest-hair-i-thought-hook-was-aAll magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSeptember 2, 2014 at 9:07 am #281391surayya
ParticipantOkay, I don’t know whether that’s more funny or sad! No, actually I’m going with funny, but it IS a little sad how much they’re grasping at straws in an effort to denigrate Hook. And even if they wanted to show a strip club (which they don’t), I don’t think they could if they want to keep the PG rating.
Here was my response to that
As Emma would say: Really?
The bar Hook was coming out of was the Rabbit Hole. Not a strip joint. Ladies Night just means they’ve got a special promotion on, probably that ladies get cheap drinks if they go to the Rabbit Hole on that night.
I know Hook gets a lot of hate from some members of the Neal/SF faction for various reasons, but this one is just stupid. Hook literally just came out of a door, watched Elsa walk by, whist stood by a sign that said “Ladies Night” yet apparently that automatically means he was at a strip club. Seriously? Hate him all you want but a least ground your hate in fact and truth rather than making stuff up just to try and make the character look bad.
Oh, please do link to Zelena nominating Hook for Ice bucket- I havent seen that yet, sounds like fun
Well thought out & valid response POM, I hope you didnt get scolded for trying to maintain a modicum of common sense over there.
& LOL- That is fantastic! Thanks for sharing it 😀September 2, 2014 at 9:16 am #281392surayya
ParticipantOk, I havent brought the S3 Bluray yet, so dont know if anything like this was included in the extras- if it was great, if not Why?!?! & PLEASE!!!! Love this sort of behind the scene footage… (love JMo getting giggly & saying she ‘feels like they’re about to make out’ lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp9adNNRfiM
Helps that until it went totally creepy (call me a wuss, but that spinning doll’s head creeps me out every time), it was a really awesome scene to watch as well 😉 I really hope we get a glimpse of Emma’s 1st Ball stuff- I know we probably wont, but a girl can dream 😉Oh, yay- reading material 🙂 Will have a read through your links tomorrow POM!
September 2, 2014 at 11:22 am #281404Bo-Peeps
ParticipantPudding as in the creamy, milk and butter, sweet, thick, super smooth non-wiggly jello, yummy dessert you scoop up with a spoon. Butterscotch or chocolate, banana, lemon even!
ALS challenge is still hilarious!
***Always in search of a good flock***
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