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Ah, obisgirl..as the classic song says “Love is lovelier, the second time around” 🙂
First love isn’t necessarily smart in any way, but it sure has an eternal magic quality to the good parts of that memory. It does, however, seem to set into play one’s total life’s expectations of love. Marvelously magnificent or agonizingly painful.
I *can’t* with Neal stuff. He was shallow and rather mediocre during that whole Tamara plotline. He patronized Emma, even mocking her. He never once seemed sincere about or even seriously interested in either women and about as deep as a thimble. His best and brightest dramatic and emotional moments have always been with Rumple.
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OMG, you all need to read this meta by NerdyGirlNotes about Captain Swan and Finding Love Again and the important of First Love. It’s so beautiful.
OMG, it really is very beautiful- thanks for sharing!
What I loved was her pointing how CS is a choice they’ve both made:
That same hope was present when Emma and Hook kissed in the Season Three finale. It was a much slower, softer kiss than the one they shared in Neverland, but it made sense for who these characters are and what their arc was about this season. These characters know to be careful with one another; they understand that what’s happening between them is something to be treated gently, because they know how fragile love can be. Emma and Hook aren’t falling in love blindly; they chose to open their hearts to each other with full knowledge of both the pleasure and the pain of love. They know how much love can hurt if it goes wrong, but they’ve helped each other begin to hope that it doesn’t always have to go wrong.
For Emma and Hook, this second chance at love means knowing that you’re giving another person the power to hurt you but completely trusting that they won’t. And that’s what makes this love story so different from what either has experienced before and so relatable for many watching it unfold—it’s a story about two adults who’ve experienced the pain of love as well as the good. And yet they’re still choosing to take that leap of faith with each other. That’s the bravest kind of love there is.
Remember what Adam & Eddie said back in early S2-
sometimes you choose who you love
I clearly remember discussing it way back when, on this thread & I’m so glad our reasoning was spot on & that wonderful meta just builds on what we discussed back then 😀
Whilst I agree that Neal shouldn’t have been moping incessantly over someone who just used him for their own ends, a little bit of reaction from him would’ve been nice since Tamara was the woman he had chosen to potentially spend the rest of his life with.
I get where you’re coming from. I re-watched Quiet Minds tonight and Neal’s reaction was to laugh about the situation while comparing notes with Emma about their ex’es. And thinking about Tamara’s betrayal, it’s like, why are you laughing? I get Tamara was evil and all, I understand that but Neal wanted to marry her and genuinely loved her. Heck, he even believed her over Emma. As soon as Emma says that she loves him, it becomes Tamara who?
I mean, I know we talked about this in the CSF thread (which thankfully does not exist anymore) but to me, when you’re really serious about marrying someone, you’re serious about it and Neal was. Even a tiny reflection about that betrayal would have been nice (minus the laughing).
Anyway, I thought that post was beautifully written and it even made me go back and add some new stuff to my true love meta. And I had some thoughts about True Love’s kiss this coming season.
I think we might have two. Not two Captain Swan true love kisses, but maybe the first true love’s kiss will be between Outlaw Queen in 4A and then in 4B, Captain Swan. A Captain Swan True Love’s kiss in 4A still feels too soon for me. Okay and here’s my reasoning for why it’s broken down that way. I think since we’re getting the Frozen arc for 4A, the frozen heart will probably come into play then. I think what will happen with Regina is that during a confrontation, something will happen to Marian and Regina will get in the way and get struck by ice; instead of being responsible for Marian dying, she’ll have saved her and Robin won’t want Regina to die so they kiss, which is TLK, unfreezes her heart and that’s it.
With Captain Swan, Everyone in Emma’s family has been under the sleeping curse. Snow, Charming, Henry…I feel it’s only appropriate that Emma or Hook get cursed that way too. I used to think (before Neal died), if Hook got cursed, then Emma would need to kiss him in order to prove it’s true love. But actually, the way true love’s kiss works, I don’t think it really matters who gets cursed. There’s no more obstacle blocking there that might put doubt in the viewer’s mind of who Emma’s true love. But if I were to pick who gets put under a sleeping curse, I would pick Hook. If it was Emma, you’d need to come up with a reason why it couldn’t be Henry who couldn’t use TLK to wake her.
I hope that makes sense.
Hehe Epona, it means ‘Titanic’ in proportions
Well yeah, but with a capital “T” and in reference to ships…just saying! Lol!
OMG, you all need to read this meta by NerdyGirlNotes about Captain Swan and Finding Love Again and the important of First Love. It’s so beautiful.
Aww, that was really nice; thanks so much for recommending it!
And yes, I agree with the above thoughts on Tamara too. And while I don’t think we know for sure how much time passed between Neal’s receiving August’s postcard and Emma’s arrival at his apartment, he would have had at least some time to let Tamara down gently if he really had still loved Emma, but clearly he really had moved on. And since they weren’t living together and it didn’t seem like they’d gotten too far into the wedding planning (correct me if I’m wrong!), it’s not like the logistics of breaking off their engagement would have been a huge problem either. Neal was perfectly fine being with his new fiancee and didn’t appear to have been thinking of Emma at all, even when he knew she’d broken the curse.
And ugh, it especially still rankles me to think of Neal’s laughing at Emma’s suspicions (and mocking her–in front of Henry–in the process) and seemingly enjoying what he assumed was her jealousy (I’m not the only one who got that vibe, right?). And then he just turns right around and is kinda over her right away. It didn’t seem to affect him at all, which is an especially stark contrast to how his own betrayal affected Emma. I’m not sure what the point of that observation was exactly, but that just occurred to me, haha.
And ugh, it especially still rankles me to think of Neal’s laughing at Emma’s suspicions (and mocking her–in front of Henry–in the process) and seemingly enjoying what he assumed was her jealousy (I’m not the only one who got that vibe, right?). And then he just turns right around and is kinda over her right away. It didn’t seem to affect him at all, which is an especially stark contrast to how his own betrayal affected Emma. I’m not sure what the point of that observation was exactly, but that just occurred to me, haha.
No you’re not the only one who got that vibe. I rewatched second season lately (Well, had the audio on in my ear while I was at work) and I never understood the Emma was jealous of Tamara thing. Emma was totally right with her suspicions, the audience knew before the characters did. Right up until Tamara shot Neal, he was still supposedly in love with Tamara. So when Emma told Neal she loved him when he fell through the portal I thought that came out of nowhere considering this was the man who she hadn’t seen since he left her in jail (regardless of the August excuse) and had just only 5 mintues before been ignoring her suspicions about his fiancee. I never saw any chemistry between them.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
I can see where the “Emma is jealous” angle came from because that is a standard TV trope to have someone be jealous of their ex’s new partner. What would’ve been interesting is if they hadn’t shown the audience that Tamara was up to no good so that they were in the dark about her until the big reveal where it was proved Emma was right all along.
As for Emma telling Neal she loved him when she fell through the portal, Emma had a lot of unresolved issues with Neal. When he abandoned her, they were still in their loved up stage of the relationship so Emma didn’t know of any reason why he would’ve abandoned her other than he was playing her all along (hence the trust issues). With Neal falling through the portal after being shot and that being potentially the last time she’d see him alive, Emma blurted out her feelings which were all kinds of mixed up. She did love him because she didn’t get any closure on that relationship 11 years earlier. Their relationship didn’t start disintegrating over time, it just ended abruptly and out of the blue. Emma called Snowing “mom and dad” when she thought they were all going to die then took it back when they didn’t.
In those two instances Emma was SCARED. Fear is what prompted her to say those things because, when faced with death, what person doesn’t want their loved ones to know they are loved.
In Neverland, Emma had come to terms with Neal’s death and made peace with it. She could start to move on with her life and start putting her problems behind her. Hence when Neal turned up alive, Emma was very apologetic when she told Neal the truth that she wished he had died because then it would be easier for her to move on. Neal was a walking reminder to Emma that no matter how in love you seemed to be, it could all end in an instant and you won’t even see it coming.
When Neal was out of the picture, Graham and Walsh proved that Emma had the ability to move on. Emma still had her issues, for example her reluctance to say yes to Walsh’s proposal, but she was slowing opening herself up to these guys. Walsh wouldn’t have been in a relationship with Emma for 8 months and asked her to marry him if she just shut him down at every opportunity.
When Neal re-entered the picture, Emma’s walls shot up. CS would not have worked at all in season 2 because Emma had this constant reminder in Neal that love only brings pain and she didn’t want to be put in that position again. On the beanstalk, Hook reminded her of Neal when they first met, hence why, when something important as getting back to Henry was at stake, Emma couldn’t risk having Hook abandon her. After all she didn’t see Neal abandoning her coming.
Hook admitting that he traded the JR for a magic bean to get to Emma was probably the tipping point for Emma. Hook put her FIRST. I don’t think CS is going to be smooth sailing, mainly because of Emma’s self doubt and insecurities. I think Emma will cool off a bit towards Hook after their finale kiss and he will have to coax her back out of her shell again. There will be a constant toing and froing as Emma open herself up a little bit to Hook then backs off again in order to protect herself.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI agree @priceofmagic 🙂
Yep, totally agree with POM.
JMo, A&E also said Emma’s “I love you” to Neal, was said to someone she thought she’d never see again & in that situation, where things are happening & someones dying you say things you’d never ordinarily say.Yep, totally agree with POM.
JMo, A&E also said Emma’s “I love you” to Neal, was said to someone she thought she’d never see again & in that situation, where things are happening & someones dying you say things you’d never ordinarily say.Yup, and I think it would be inappropriate if Emma cried the reverse to Neal in that situation too, that she hated him for abandoning her. It goes back to that general feeling, when someone close you is about to die, you don’t want them to leave this world with a bad feeling, but a positive one. It’s why Emma called her parents “mom” and “dad” in 2×22.
But I think it also makes it clear, when she tells Hook that she loves him, it needs not be in a high stress situation. The first ‘I love you’ needs to come out naturally in order for it to have an emotional impact, not something forced. I think that’s really important.
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