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Agree with the above!
In regard to Neal, I have to say, re-watching S2 during the hiatus…it’s been tough to watch. I guess because I’m watching much more closely, but I cannot believe when he laughs at her, or belittles her or talks down to her. It’s funny, you see Neal assume Emma still loves him, you see Rumple tell her she still has feelings for him, you see Snow doing it…but you never really see Emma’s reaction – ‘I don’t still love him/want to get back together with him’ – waver. Until that very moment the portal opens. And as said, what are you going to do when you assume someone’s headed for imminent death? Tell them they suck and ruined your life? No, you try to part with the most positive feelings you’ve had for that person, and push the bad away for that final moment. It’s human nature. But Emma’s declarations at the portal don’t tell me she still was in love with him and wanted to be with him again. Her actions when she finds out he’s alive, though? What part of “I wished you really were dead” screams ‘let’s get back together!!’ What part of hiding out at the docks and standing him up (oh, and wondering if dear ol’ Dad’s just trying to keep you from another man) says ‘I love you!’ Except for that one moment at the portal, I don’t ever see present-tense Emma even momentarily contemplating resuming their romantic relationship.
[adrotate group="5"]And just to add when Emma finds out about Neal being alive in Neverland, she doesn’t look pleased to hear that news. And it was Snow’s ‘you owe to Henry to find out if his dad is alive’ that put her on track to wanting to find him. But I totally agree, nothing Emma did either pre or post Neal’s return showed she ever wanted to get back together with him. It was everyone else plumping for that. By the end of Neverland it was pretty obvious where Emma’s affections lay.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
In regard to Neal, I have to say, re-watching S2 during the hiatus…it’s been tough to watch. I guess because I’m watching much more closely, but I cannot believe when he laughs at her, or belittles her or talks down to her.
Agreed! I’m part of the way through a re-watch as well, and I find myself liking Neal less and less as time goes by. (Of course a bit of that is probably due to some of the ridiculous and hateful things coming from his fans, but there’s plenty of other reasons from the show.) And what I was referring to earlier about wondering whether others got the same vibe I did was about how he just seemed to revel in what he believed was her jealousy of Tamara…just another instance of his being patronizing and condescending and just, ugh. Just because she was actually a child when Neal met her (and got her pregnant) doesn’t mean she hasn’t grown up; she had to do so really fast after what he did to her, so treating her like a child is really just adding insult to injury.
And I also don’t know for sure if Emma really told anyone exactly what Neal (and August) did to her. We know Henry knows because she “told” him in their false memories, but beyond that I either don’t know or don’t remember. But I do wonder if Snow would’ve still pushed Emma toward Neal if she’d known that he had sent her to jail for his crime and while she was pregnant, no less. Come to think of it, we really need more clarification about who knows what regarding a lot of things on this show…
Come to think of it, we really need more clarification about who knows what regarding a lot of things on this show…
Absolutely!! Couldn’t agree more. But I guess it’s just exposition that the writer’s feel is unnecessary and would probably take up too much time to explain. I think we have to assume that any flashback we see, or any information that has been given to a main character is common knowledge, at least the bare bones of the story if not all the intricate details.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
Yep, totally agree with POM.
JMo, A&E also said Emma’s “I love you” to Neal, was said to someone she thought she’d never see again & in that situation, where things are happening & someones dying you say things you’d never ordinarily say.Yup, and I think it would be inappropriate if Emma cried the reverse to Neal in that situation too, that she hated him for abandoning her. It goes back to that general feeling, when someone close you is about to die, you don’t want them to leave this world with a bad feeling, but a positive one. It’s why Emma called her parents “mom” and “dad” in 2×22.
But I think it also makes it clear, when she tells Hook that she loves him, it needs not be in a high stress situation. The first ‘I love you’ needs to come out naturally in order for it to have an emotional impact, not something forced. I think that’s really important.
Oh, for sure- I couldnt agree more.
Agree with the above!
In regard to Neal, I have to say, re-watching S2 during the hiatus…it’s been tough to watch. I guess because I’m watching much more closely, but I cannot believe when he laughs at her, or belittles her or talks down to her. It’s funny, you see Neal assume Emma still loves him, you see Rumple tell her she still has feelings for him, you see Snow doing it…but you never really see Emma’s reaction – ‘I don’t still love him/want to get back together with him’ – waver. Until that very moment the portal opens. And as said, what are you going to do when you assume someone’s headed for imminent death? Tell them they suck and ruined your life? No, you try to part with the most positive feelings you’ve had for that person, and push the bad away for that final moment. It’s human nature. But Emma’s declarations at the portal don’t tell me she still was in love with him and wanted to be with him again. Her actions when she finds out he’s alive, though? What part of “I wished you really were dead” screams ‘let’s get back together!!’ What part of hiding out at the docks and standing him up (oh, and wondering if dear ol’ Dad’s just trying to keep you from another man) says ‘I love you!’ Except for that one moment at the portal, I don’t ever see present-tense Emma even momentarily contemplating resuming their romantic relationship.
Yes, exactly- I’ve been rewatching S2 as well (decided to do a total rewatch to fill in the time until S4 starts 😉 ) & have reached the same conclusions, even in hind sight I just dont see Emma investing in anything other than her past with Neal.
And I also don’t know for sure if Emma really told anyone exactly what Neal (and August) did to her. We know Henry knows because she “told” him in their false memories, but beyond that I either don’t know or don’t remember. But I do wonder if Snow would’ve still pushed Emma toward Neal if she’d known that he had sent her to jail for his crime and while she was pregnant, no less. Come to think of it, we really need more clarification about who knows what regarding a lot of things on this show…
Agreed on the clarification 100000000%
I am still miffed we didnt actually get Snowing’s response to what he did to Emma- A&E said it would be addressed, but it hasnt as far I as I can recall & I doubt they’ll go there now he’s dead…. or maybe they will…. do you guys think it might come up as part of the ‘trouble’ Emma has with the relationship?I’ve just thought of something, Hook knows that Neal sent Emma to jail. She mentioned it to him after Neal’s funeral. But whether she told her parents, I’ve know idea. Seems strange it hasn’t come out though. Surely they must have wondered why Emma was so resistant to getting back with Neal.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
I’ve just thought of something, Hook knows that Neal sent Emma to jail. She mentioned it to him after Neal’s funeral. But whether she told her parents, I’ve know idea. Seems strange it hasn’t come out though. Surely they must have wondered why Emma was so resistant to getting back with Neal.
Yep exactly, I think someone asked if we would get Snowing/Charming’s reaction to Neal having Emma sent to jail, after Charming decked Hook last season & A&E said ‘yes we would’, but we havent, so I doubt it’ll be off screen stuff, unless it’s referenced on screen as such.
I guess when you think about it, there’s been metric crap ton of sh…sugar gone down since E11, but there’s no more excuses not to touch on it now- Emma is starting a new relationship, so surely it’ll come up & we at least get WTH?! reactions from Snowing- as it’s a long time coming- I dont even want to consider if they dont touch on it, as they’d have Not been ok with what he did to her. It’d be OOC for them to sweep that under the rug like it was nothing, given the crap Snow gave Charming for not telling her about the dreamshade poisoning :/I’ve just thought of something, Hook knows that Neal sent Emma to jail. She mentioned it to him after Neal’s funeral. But whether she told her parents, I’ve know idea. Seems strange it hasn’t come out though. Surely they must have wondered why Emma was so resistant to getting back with Neal.
The below is from Lightening Round 10:
Will Snow and Charming (Josh Dallas) find out about Neal (Michael Raymond-James) sending Emma to jail?
Horowitz: Neal sending Emma to jail comes up again and is dealt with.…which at the time, sounded like Snow and Charming would find out, either from Emma or Neal about what he did. And this was for season three, but Snow and Charming never found out. But Emma did tell Henry in her amnesia state. I think what this means now, is that Emma giving birth to Henry would come up again and it did because Regina gave her new memories.
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