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I love a Rumple too (hence my screen name) but I honestly believe the only person who could EVER destroy Rumbelle is Rumple himself. Even if they use Hook as a means to move a storyline forward that involves Belle discovering that Rumple gave her a fake dagger and is still struggling with being dark – he would be only that, a means to move the storyline forward – it would still be Rumple’s struggle with overcoming his addiction to magic and power that is the problem, not Hook. I mean look at the scene in the last episode. Look at how Rumple interacted with Hook. Charming and Hook go to ask Rumple for help with saving Emma. Hook acknowledges that Rumple is the Dark One and is therefore powerful enough to destroy the ice cave. I love Rumple but why was he such a jerk towards Hook? Making a big deal about how he COULD destroy the cave but it would also destroy his girlfriend??? Just as a nice jab to remind him that he destroyed his LAST girlfriend??? Like, sure but then I’m gonna kill this girlfriend just like I killed your last. I get that he is upset about Neal dying and everything but dude is messed up right now and doesn’t appear to be in the right frame of mind in general. So I don’t think Hook is likely to DO anything to negatively affect Rumple’s growth, if anything he might RESPOND in a way that reveals what Rumple is up to but ultimately that might be exactly what is needed for a Rumple to have true character growth. I actually wonder if they are working toward having Hook and Rumple ultimately bond in some way. I’ve actually wondered why they don’t get along now. I mean Milah treated Rumple like crap and now he is married to his TL Belle, so in hindsight Milah leaving him allowed him to find him his TL. And CS is pretty much shaping up to be TL as well so if Milah had lived Killian would never had found Emma. So in bizarre ways Rumple and Hook’s actions both lead the other to find their TL’s. Not that I think that excuses killing people or going on a 300 year quest for revenge. But ultimately that IS what resulted from those things. So really I don’t get what their problem with each other is anymore. So if they can have Hook and Rumple work together to have Rumple end up with character growth, they could end up bonding. Just a theory.
My thoughts exactly.
I think the only way for Rumple to be true to Bell, is giving up his magic entirely. Like recovering alcoholisc, he shouldn’t have any contact with magic and power. Maybe Rumbelle should have another try on TLK. We know it could break The Dark One curse. Rumple just has to”let it go”.:)
[adrotate group="5"]I mean look at the scene in the last episode…I love Rumple but why was he such a jerk towards Hook? Making a big deal about how he COULD destroy the cave but it would also destroy his girlfriend???
Relationships aside, Emma is the mother of Rumple’s grandson. How would Henry feel if he knew that Rumple did nothing to try and help and save his mother? And knowing that Rumple and Henry will be bonding this season, will that come up again?
I actually wonder if they are working toward having Hook and Rumple ultimately bond in some way.
I have a sneaking feeling that we’re heading that way this season. What else is there for Rumple and Hook to fight over at this point? Hook let go of his vengeance, so that’s not between them anymore. If anything, I think Hook will be the one to help Rumple realize that the way he is treating Belle right now is wrong and wouldn’t that be something? The pirate and the Dark One’s rival ends up being conscious.
I have a sneaking feeling that we’re heading that way this season. What else is there for Rumple and Hook to fight over at this point? Hook let go of his vengeance, so that’s not between them anymore. If anything, I think Hook will be the one to help Rumple realize that the way he is treating Belle right now is wrong and wouldn’t that be something? The pirate and the Dark One’s rival ends up being conscious.
This.
Random opinions of one woman:
*Rumple, despite Belle’s annoying bottomless pit of blind confidence in his “pure haaaht”, is a self-serving thug who has short-lived moments of showing sparks of residual humanity. Though, as with everyone, his misery stems from childhood pain and resulting whimpy, cowardly adulthood, he has turned out to be quite the solid (and beloved!) Creep. The Darkness and Power he sought out of his cowardice has a seemingly addictive hold on his soul. Oddly enough, though, I think it is that cowardice/childhood fear and pain, that keeps him from being pure Darkness. A fascinating dichotomy. And of course in the scheme of ONCE, I love him and hope he doesn’t change!
Hook is no match for Rumple’s treacherous nastiness or power, but he is far, far braver and equally as intelligent, cunning…and driven. Hook’s weakness is the intense control his smoldering passions and emotions have over his soul and brain(!) Hook is as hard-wired fearless as Rumple is hard-wired cowardly. It makes for a very interesting head to head combat between the two.
Rumple could destroy him in an instant but I think Hook’s soul-deep strength and bravery have earned him a grudging and oddly powerful respect with The Dark One.
*I hope Belle lives up to her supposed intelligence because up to now she is looking like a real Mrs Dimwit. If they fail they are both equally to blame.
* Robin Hood? Nah. IF it plays out as teased, the whole “failed true loves kiss” with Marian completely nullifies him as a character to be taken seriously. He may end up with Regina but this whole plot line is a total failure. There are other, far more interesting stories to keep me entertained, but Mr. ONCE version Hood just been turned into rotting Sherwood Forrest tree mold.
*Neal has nothing to do with Hook’s and Emma’s relationship and can’t realistically be compared to anything they experience as lovers/partners/Soul mates/friends. He was a tormenting source of Emma’s destructive life-pain and a very sad reminder of Hook’s tortured past. They both learned and grew from their life’s connections to him and layed him to rest, respectfully and with deep feelings. The fact that some can’t maturely come to grips with that on any thoughtful level is their ignorance to bear. Trying to understand “haters” is a waste of energy that could be spent following the hope and joy and expectations of what is actually happening. Haters don’t want to be understood. They just want to live a perpetual temper tantrum.
*This forum, yes, outside of a few threads has become a KillJoy’s stomping ground. But, we all know that no one existing outside of that mindset can change the stagnant negativity or habitual state of complaining and wallowing they prefer. Our choice is the same as theirs…find and support something that makes you feel upbeat/good and go forward with it, or saturate yourself in whiney drek.
*Sunday looks like grand escapism! And some especially sweet moments for our Captain and our Savior.
***Always in search of a good flock***
I actually wonder if they are working toward having Hook and Rumple ultimately bond in some way. I’ve actually wondered why they don’t get along now. I mean Milah treated Rumple like crap and now he is married to his TL Belle, so in hindsight Milah leaving him allowed him to find him his TL. And CS is pretty much shaping up to be TL as well so if Milah had lived Killian would never had found Emma. So in bizarre ways Rumple and Hook’s actions both lead the other to find their TL’s. Not that I think that excuses killing people or going on a 300 year quest for revenge. But ultimately that IS what resulted from those things. So really I don’t get what their problem with each other is anymore. So if they can have Hook and Rumple work together to have Rumple end up with character growth, they could end up bonding. Just a theory.
That’s what I’m afraid of, that Rumple will become another Regina–someone who seems to be doing better now, and so expects everyone else to immediately forgive and forget all of the horrendous things they’ve done in the past without so much as a hint of regret (and then they will, for some reason). I’m just kinda tired of forgetting or ignoring Rumple’s vicious murder of his first wife because she hurt his feelings, then hacking off the hand of the man who loved her and actually treated her like an equal. I guess it wouldn’t seem so crazy if there were some kind of revelation from Rumple and he acknowledged that what he did was pretty awful.
After the 4×9 title spoiler, I my craziness is kicking in, and I’m all worried for Killian again. 🙁 I just wish somebody who knows for sure, could tell me whether I can enjoy this season, or bite my nails through it.
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Actually Sarah, I think 4×09 maybe Rumple centric, because I just remembered a very old interview Bobby did where he said by episode 9, things get bad for Rumple..
Found the interview where Robert said that.
Actually Sarah, I think 4×09 maybe Rumple centric, because I just remembered a very old interview Bobby did where he said by episode 9, things get bad for Rumple..
I saw one theory from a SQ shipper, who thinks Rumple hid the dagger to kill Hook (promised revenge to Neal’s grave, and maybe he blames Hook because the reason for the bean was for Rumple who went bad after Milah left him). I saw another theorizing Humpty Dumpty. Maybe it’s more of an analogy for either Killian, or Rumple. I guess we’ll just have to see.
Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall (Emma’s wall?)
Huumpty Dumpty had a great FALL (the theory that Killian goes bad after what the Snow Queen might do to him, i.e. Kai from the story, whose vision of things good and beautiful was distorted)
All the King’s horses, and all the King’s men (David’s family and friends, with inclusion of Emma)
Couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty together again.My tumblr page is http://cs-in-tn.tumblr.com/
I feel like I have my show back again. Which is funny because all the haters are posting about how they think the show sucks now and how it’s nothing like it was in the beginning.
YES! I was just saying the other day to my sister (who hasnt been able to watch the show yet, as she’s been away on holiday), that this season feels very much like the 1st season, that it’s gone back to its roots & that so far, I’m enjoying it just as much as S1. I mean I loved S3- esp the finale, because that finale to me felt like pure Once-verse 😉 (I actually sat there & was sorry we had to go back to SB! lol), but S1 was pure magic- I dont know if it was entirely because Once was new & unknown, or if it was the format of the episodes/season, but it was magic & S4 has that same vibe to it already IMO.
Now that he is gone, it’s like everything is back to normal on the show for me. And I’m honestly not saying that because I’m a CS shipper. When Emma and Gold first found Neal there was a brief moment of time where I thought I might like to see Emma and “Bae” together. But then when Neal started interacting with everyone – NOPE. Zero chemistry, not just with Emma but with the entire cast. And because there was no chemistry I could never see Emma and Neal’s relationship developing beyond anything other than a bad teenage romance. Out of kindness to the SF fans I found myself trying to force myself to find scenes where I felt like I could find Neal having chemistry with ANY of the characters on the show. I was sad when he died because I loved “Bae” and I felt bad for who Emma and Rumple were losing and what losing him meant to them. But that was it.
I’m with you here as well, on my umpteenth time of rewatching S3, I warmed up to Neal as a person, but I agree he simply didnt gel-well with anyone- I warmed up to a couple of his scenes with Henry, but that could be because Jared can play some of his scenes quite ‘flat’ if that makes sense (I usually dont notice it on 1st watch though). I have actually come to feel they cast MRJ to have that slightly awkward/very platonic type chemistry on screen, as calling what they had “quiet love” is stretching beyond truth IMO. Also when we saw MRJ & Jen off set in interviews, it was obvious they had become good friends (it pales in comparison to Colin & Jen’s chemistry- I giggle every time they get asked about each others character’s romance, as they both almost always end up blushing when they talk about it lo).
Which is funny because all the haters are posting about how they think the show sucks now and how it’s nothing like it was in the beginning. I truly do not understand anyone who hates the show so much but continues to watch or post about it. Or prays to network Gods that it will get cancelled. That is just . . . odd. There have been several shows that I used to watch that I just no longer enjoyed or lost interest in. So I stopped watching them. But I didn’t send hate mail to the producers and didn’t organize prayer circles hoping for cancellation and I didn’t waste HOURS, DAYS, WEEKS, MONTHS of my life discussing and posting about how much I hate the show now. And I don’t understand the argument that people make saying that they are “too invested” in the show and the friends they have made via the show to stop watching or stop posting about it. I’m really happy if they have made friends from watching the show – go find another show you all LIKE and post happy thoughts about that one on that show’s board together!!! Heaven help me if I am ever so “invested” in something that I absolutely despise but cannot leave. And these people think Emma has an unhealthy relationship with Hook???? They are spending hours of their life posting, blogging, tweeting, and chatting about a show that they can’t stand and, in some cases, no longer watch!!! THAT seems entirely unhealthy to me.
You know what, I’m actually starting to think the problem with the haters isnt that they dont like the show anymore… its the fact they actually like the show despite themselves. I mean it explains why so many of them are still watching & making up frankly stupid, illogical excuses like the ones you’ve listed above- I call bollocks on the ‘invested to much & the friends’ excuses for example, because what, are you & your friends that ‘hate’ the show incapable of discussing anything other than Once?! If so, that isnt a ‘friend’ lol. It also explains the viscous nonsensical hate- So they hate Hook for acting like a pirate… then they hate him for not acting like a pirate; they hate him for supposedly objectifying Emma, then they hate him because he points our Emma is a grown women & capable of making her own choices- They hate him for not caring enough, then hate him for caring to much …. cause that makes perfect sense & proves how valid their ‘arguments’ against CS/Hook really are! Bahahahahahahaha.
I find myself spending more time looking at pictures and stuff on tumblr these days because I don’t have to deal with any of the “weirdness” there. It seems like this site has been taken over by people who hate the show and are hoping it will get cancelled. Which it strange because I thought it was supposed to be a site for people who enjoy the show. It isn’t even just anti-CS anymore. It’s like if you are positive about the show in any way you are the enemy. I feel like we lost so many fun people here who used to have such great and insightful posts. Not just CS shippers. It feels like all of the threads are MUCH sparser than they used to be. I think people who weren’t die hard SF shippers got tired of all the negativity and fled.
Yes exactly this, I’m glad I’m not the only one who is still here, noticed it & is highly disappointed about the direction this site has taken. It;s also very sad it;s getting a reputation on line as OnceUponaHate discussion… it almost feels like soon we’ll be told to ‘this is the haters ‘safe haven’- go be positive about the show in the one ‘I love Once thread’ whenever someone posts positive stuff 🙁
Is it like this on other OUaT boards? This is the only board I post on. I always hear about how there is a lot of CS and Hook hate out there but have other OUaT boards also lost followers because of all their negativity? Does anyone have other boards they go to or know where some of our friends have fled to? It ticks me off that people have been successful in driving people away and I don’t want to leave but I miss all of our CS shipmates!!
I post on boards persay, but I am part of a couple of FB groups & over there CS/Hook love is high- sure there are few who dont ship it or love him/they love Rumple lol, but over all it’s pretty good- Awesome. I have no idea where everyone has actually fled too though, but there is a good dozen shipmates that I really miss having CS discussions with as well… Seriously, I think my stubbornness not to ‘run off the site’ is the only thing keeping me here tbh- the attitudes & actions of many of the people on this site sadden & disgust me.
Sorry for the downer post. We just moved to Florida and I’m still trying to make friends. I was looking forward to OUaT starting back up because I feel like I’ve always had friends here to chat with and that would change even when I move, but everyone stays so quiet or is gone now
Aww, I totally understand your feelings- here’s a *warm cyber hug* to help cheer you up 🙂 & a CS hug to put a smile on your dial 🙂
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