The Captain Swan thread!

[surayya]

I’ve ‘shipped a lot but Captain Swan is honestly, the most beautiful love story ever.

I know right! I thought I’d shipped one couple hard before, but NOPE! CS is for sure my OTP & simply the most beautiful love story I’ve ever had the pleasure to watch unfold  😀 <3

Hook is everything Emma needs in a true love and he was always meant to fall in love with her and I have to believe that Adam and Eddy always wanted to bring him onto the show for one purpose: making him Emma’s true love. They couldn’t get the rights for him in season one, so they had to wait until they did.

And knowing this season’s theme is that you don’t give up on the people that you love and this is what the Charming family does,  Hook fits in quite perfectly there because Hook has never given up on the people that he loves.  He fights for them.

*Nods*

And you know, it has to be said but Neal admitted to Mulan that he did give up on Emma.  He took the easy way and did not even look for her after the curse was broken.  He gave up on trying to reconcile because his fear got in the way.  It was implied that the reason Neal asked August to send him a post card to him once the curse was broken, was that he intended to go after Emma but he didn’t.  He even moved on from Emma and found love with Tamara.  And true loves can’t move on from each other and yet, Neal moved on from Emma and also gave up on her as well.

And Hook couldn’t move on from Emma in the Enchanted Forest during the lost, he stayed loyal to her and Hook didn’t give on finding a way to rescue her from the ice cave.  Hook is the man Emma deserves, someone who will not give up on her and will continue to fight for her no matter what, even in incredibly futile circumstances.

I know we’re not talking about true love yet but Emma and Hook are definitely on their way to becoming true love.  It’s coming (probably in the 4B finale, or going into it).

YES! THIS!

Rumple will destroy his own happiness, Hook really doesn’t need to do much. Rumple swapped the dagger but he’s still lying to Belle and Adam and Eddy said at NYCC. Rumple is still self-serving and he’s still Everything you see him do will show that he’s in it for himself.

Until Rumple can let go of that selfishness, he’s never really going to have a happy ending with Belle. I feel sorry for Belle, to be honest. She trusts him and has such unwavering faith in him but Rumple continually does these things that sabotage his happy ending.

I mean look at the scene in the last episode.  Look at how Rumple interacted with Hook.  Charming and Hook go to ask Rumple for help with saving Emma.  Hook acknowledges that Rumple is the Dark One and is therefore powerful enough to destroy the ice cave.  I love Rumple but why was he such a jerk towards Hook? Making a big deal about how he COULD destroy the cave but it would also destroy his girlfriend???  Just as a nice jab to remind him that he destroyed his LAST girlfriend???  Like, sure but then I’m gonna kill this girlfriend just like I killed your last.  I get that he is upset about Neal dying and everything but dude is messed up right now and doesn’t appear to be in the right frame of mind in general.  So I don’t think Hook is likely to DO anything to negatively affect Rumple’s growth, if anything he might RESPOND in a way that reveals what Rumple is up to but ultimately that might be exactly what is needed for a Rumple to have true character growth.

THat part actually bothered me as well for the reasons you’ve stated & the fact that Emma is his grandson’s mother, so they are related to each other & thats seriously how youre gonna respond?! I mean, sure they couldn’t just have Rumple go in & save the day- the story would have been over before it really started, but we can bet our socks, that had it been Belle,Neal or maybe even Henry in the ice cave, Rumple would have at least tried to find away to help get her or him out :/ I was also a little taken aback by Belle’s lack of worry in Rumple’s attitude there, isnt Emma supposed to be a friend?!

I actually wonder if they are working toward having Hook and Rumple ultimately bond in some way.  I’ve actually wondered why they don’t get along now.  I mean Milah treated Rumple like crap and now he is married to his TL Belle, so in hindsight Milah leaving him allowed him to find him his TL.  And CS is pretty much shaping up to be TL as well so if Milah had lived Killian would never had found Emma.  So in bizarre ways Rumple and Hook’s actions both lead the other to find their TL’s.  Not that I think that excuses killing people or going on a 300 year quest for revenge.  But ultimately that IS what resulted from those things.  So really I don’t get what their problem with each other is anymore.  So if they can have Hook and Rumple work together to have Rumple end up with character growth, they could end up bonding.  Just a theory.

Interesting thought- although I guess Killian is still missing a hand thanks to Rumple, but he does seem to like his hook, so… yeah lol 😉

[surayya]

obisgirl wrote:

I have a sneaking feeling that we’re heading that way this season. What else is there for Rumple and Hook to fight over at this point? Hook let go of his vengeance, so that’s not between them anymore. If anything, I think Hook will be the one to help Rumple realize that the way he is treating Belle right now is wrong and wouldn’t that be something? The pirate and the Dark One’s rival ends up being conscious.

This.

That could be an interesting turn of events!

Hook is no match for Rumple’s treacherous nastiness or power, but he is far, far braver and equally as intelligent, cunning…and driven. Hook’s weakness is the intense control his smoldering passions and emotions have over his soul and brain(!) Hook is as hard-wired fearless as Rumple is hard-wired cowardly. It makes for a very interesting head to head combat between the two.

I’d never really thought of them in that way, but you are so right!

Rumple could destroy him in an instant but I think Hook’s soul-deep strength and bravery have earned him a grudging and oddly powerful respect with The Dark One.

I’d say that’s probably part of the reason he’s still alive today 😉

Haters don’t want to be understood. They just want to live a perpetual temper tantrum.

*This forum, yes, outside of a few threads has become a KillJoy’s stomping ground. But, we all know that no one existing outside of that mindset can change the stagnant negativity or habitual state of complaining and wallowing they prefer. Our choice is the same as theirs…find and support something that makes you feel upbeat/good and go forward with it, or saturate yourself in whiney drek.

Sad but true fact, is sad & true 🙁

*Sunday looks like grand escapism! And some especially sweet moments for our Captain and our Savior.

Yeeeeeeesssssssss 😀 😀 😀

That’s what I’m afraid of, that Rumple will become another Regina–someone who seems to be doing better now, and so expects everyone else to immediately forgive and forget all of the horrendous things they’ve done in the past without so much as a hint of regret (and then they will, for some reason). I’m just kinda tired of forgetting or ignoring Rumple’s vicious murder of his first wife because she hurt his feelings, then hacking off the hand of the man who loved her and actually treated her like an equal. I guess it wouldn’t seem so crazy if there were some kind of revelation from Rumple and he acknowledged that what he did was pretty awful.

I have to agree with this as well- I still have some issues with Regina using “light magic” while she is 1)Heartless & 2) had Sydney unjustly locked up in a dark cell at the time :/ But I figure, I just have to go with the story sometimes & trust A&E will work it out later, or I’ll forget about it lol 😉

For anyone interested, full video of the NYCC panel with JMo, Adam and Eddy is now available

Yay, thank you- Now I can watch it 😀

[surayya]

obisgirl wrote:

Actually Sarah, I think 4×09 maybe Rumple centric, because I just remembered a very old interview Bobby did where he said by episode 9, things get bad for Rumple..

I saw one theory from a SQ shipper, who thinks Rumple hid the dagger to kill Hook (promised revenge to Neal’s grave, and maybe he blames Hook because the reason for the bean was for Rumple who went bad after Milah left him). I saw another theorizing Humpty Dumpty. Maybe it’s more of an analogy for either Killian, or Rumple. I guess we’ll just have to see.

Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall (Emma’s wall?)
Huumpty Dumpty had a great FALL (the theory that Killian goes bad after what the Snow Queen might do to him, i.e. Kai from the story, whose vision of things good and beautiful was distorted)
All the King’s horses, and all the King’s men (David’s family and friends, with inclusion of Emma)
Couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty together again.

I wouldnt put to much stock in what other shippers have to say- according to SQ shippers those watching 403 at NYCC, didnt really care when CS was on screen.. however talk to OQ, Snowing, CS & non shippers that were there & they all say everyone responded just as positively & loudly to CS, as the OQ Snowing etc moments
As far as Hook kicking the bucket- yeah it could maybe happen, just the same as they could kill off Emma or Snow or Regina or Henry or Charming 😉 Although since we know for a fact this seasonwe are going to get Killian backstory in 4B & that Emma will fight for Killian, I think it is a very safe bet to say, Hook will be fine 🙂

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obisgirl wrote:

Actually Sarah, I think 4×09 maybe Rumple centric, because I just remembered a very old interview Bobby did where he said by episode 9, things get bad for Rumple..

I saw one theory from a SQ shipper, who thinks Rumple hid the dagger to kill Hook (promised revenge to Neal’s grave, and maybe he blames Hook because the reason for the bean was for Rumple who went bad after Milah left him). I saw another theorizing Humpty Dumpty. Maybe it’s more of an analogy for either Killian, or Rumple. I guess we’ll just have to see.

Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall (Emma’s wall?)
Huumpty Dumpty had a great FALL (the theory that Killian goes bad after what the Snow Queen might do to him, i.e. Kai from the story, whose vision of things good and beautiful was distorted)
All the King’s horses, and all the King’s men (David’s family and friends, with inclusion of Emma)
Couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty together again.

Hmm. Let me preface this by saying that it’s definitely not all SQ shippers, but overall in my experience, a lot of the Hook hate comes from them. So my first instinct is to say that it could be just wishful thinking from that person.

But overall wow, that’s a very elaborate theory! Did the Humpty Dumpty thing come from anywhere in particular? I feel like we would’ve seen or heard something from that…I’ve seen some photos from filming of that episode–I tried to post the pictures earlier but the spoiler tags didn’t work and since they were quite spoilery, I quickly edited the post and deleted them. But the first one can be found here, and then there are more with those two. So what the heck could Hook and Rumple be doing hanging out together while Hook has the sorcerer’s hat?! And he has the hook back…hmm.

But yeah, I’m not particularly worried about any more of the main characters dying at the moment…honestly, I’d still guess that MRJ wanted to leave and that’s why they decided to get rid of Neal. It really didn’t make that much sense, and it seemed so abrupt, especially because he wasn’t even in the two episodes before he died either, if I remember correctly. And just out of curiosity, I checked out his IMDB page a while back and I think Once is the longest he’s worked on one project–maybe he just got bored and wanted to move on. And it’s not like Neal’s storyline was all that exciting at that point either. Pure speculation on my part though, of course.

Less than 24 hours! And it sounds like this should be a good one for CS! 😉

[surayya]

Someone on one of the groups I’m in just posted this from tumbler (sorry cant link to source here as she didnt link)

Tumblr Quote About Hook: ‪#‎he‬ may not be your fav and that’s okay#but if you don’t believe the incredible emotion radiating out of him#and if you didn’t feel the slightest twitch of sympathy or whatever for him#i mean#not even just a LITTLE bit#i worry for you#because he was out of his mind with worry in this episode#he loves her so damn much#he isn’t perfect but no one is#but he is TRYING#and who cares if he’s trying for her#who cares if that is the reason for his goodness#just like charming needed a push in his flashbacks#we ALL need to be pushed to become the best versions of ourselves#we ALL need a reason to try or what even is the point?‪#‎killian‬ jones inspires me#and his love for emma inspires me#and i feel bad for people who are so determined to hate him for his actions 2 years ago#that they’re missing out on the amazing things he’s doing NOW#you don’t have to ship it#but anyone who speaks against this man#and his selfless love for emma swan#and turns it into something it isn’t#is truly missing the point of this beautiful show#and i feel bad for you#captain swan#killian jones#ouat

I actually love this & she makes a really good point about the haters, we should simply pity them, they really are missing out on this beautiful, magical story unfolding before us all.

[surayya]

In coming pretties 🙂

[surayya]

Oh how things have changed 😉

https://www.tumblr.com/captainhookfeelssupportgroup/99711215767

[surayya]

Honestly this is probably a little bit how JMo must feel when posting anything on twitter or instagram these days & the response is pretty accurate sadly :/ (I edited out the ‘B word’ to keep it clean)

jmo’s thought process while posting her recent instagram pics

jmo: #captainswan
jmo: …….
jmo: …….
jmo: …….
jmo: …….
jmo: better just hashtag all of the ships even if they’re irrelevant to what’s canon on the show to save myself from dealing with hate
jmo: #swanqueen
jmo: #swanfire
jmo: …….
jmo: …….
jmo: …….
jmo: …….
jmo: lmao can’t believe i had to do that… i better put more ships
jmo: #gremma rip
jmo: um….. #swanbug lmao the true otp
jmo: #thecharmings aw ilysm
jmo: #swanbeliever my bby
jmo: #frozenswan bffs
jmo: #goldenswan
jmo: #woodenswan
jmo: um… #rubyswan? idk just in case…
jmo: #swanwhale? who knows
jmo: #monkeyswan? i doubt anyone ships it but i’ll just put it down
jmo: ok i think i covered them all… there’s no way i can get hate now!
jmo: *posts pic*
irrelevant angry fan: EXCUSE ME, I HATE YOU SO MUCH YOU *female dog* WHERE IS THE LOVE FOR #CRICKETSWAN WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST GINGERS LIKE ARCHIE. YOU ARE AWFUL PROMOTING YOUR RAPE CULTURE!11!

http://fedupwithfairytales.tumblr.com/post/99692277622/jmos-thought-process-while-posting-her-recent

[surayya]

This just got me in the CS feels when paired with the script tease…. dying again 😉 <3

“Of course I trust you. But everyone I’ve ever been with is dead. Neal, Graham, and even Walsh. I can’t lose you too.”

Nope, not ok …. CS feels are reaching critical levels again <3 <3 <3

[obisgirl]

I’d still guess that MRJ wanted to leave and that’s why they decided to get rid of Neal. It really didn’t make that much sense, and it seemed so abrupt, especially because he wasn’t even in the two episodes before he died either, if I remember correctly. And just out of curiosity, I checked out his IMDB page a while back and I think Once is the longest he’s worked on one project–maybe he just got bored and wanted to move on. And it’s not like Neal’s storyline was all that exciting at that point either. Pure speculation on my part though, of course.

I think it was probably lack of screen time.  I mean, even when he was present in 3A with our main characters in the Neverland arc, mostly, he was background character guy.  And if you’re only there for the background and people forget that you’re there, you mine as well not  be there, you know? And look at where the story is now?  Haters were saying the story would end if Neal was the one who died, or the show would be cancelled.

We were picked up for season four and the premiere saw it’s largest ratings boost in 2 years!!!   And the story is still moving along! So obviously, the show and the story of Once did not solely revolve around Neal’s presence.  It’s not struggling as far as I can see.

Anyway, it seems like MRJ has a better gig now on that history drama, Sons of Liberty.  He’s going to be playing two or three different characters.

Hook really is no danger of being killed off.  I was reading through the latest posts on the 4×09 title thread and RG posted some interesting stuff, that Hook is very popular with the fans as well as the network and it would basically be suicide if Adam and Eddy tried to kill him.  No need to worry about Hook. When he says he excels at surviving, he and the writers mean it.  He’s not going anywhere.

 

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