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October 15, 2014 at 12:32 pm #285645
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ParticipantVery insightful analysis @rumplegoldfan
I wrote something awhile back. Can’t remember it word for it and it’s probably buried on my tumblr, but basically, Emma’s going to help Killian in the after this that she loves him regardless if he has the Hook or not and she understands what the hook symbolizes for him but she loves unconditionally, with or without the hook and it’s okay for him to be who he is.
[adrotate group="5"]October 15, 2014 at 2:21 pm #285649Epona_610
ParticipantSo I just came across this very spoilery article on TV Line about the event we’re anticipating in the next episode…but seriously, it’s REALLY spoiler-y, more so than I was expecting. (Although a lot of the things that were revealed had been guessed or deduced from previous spoilers already.) If you’re still interested:
http://tvline.com/2014/10/15/once-upon-a-time-emma-hook-date-cursed-hand/So it looks like the cursed-hand theory is still a good one…I really wonder where this Rumple-Killian storyline is going since we’ve seen plenty of more scenes with the two of them recently. I’m very intrigued! 🙂
October 15, 2014 at 2:37 pm #285651obisgirl
ParticipantI knew Rumple couldn’t help himself. Like Adam and Eddy said, he’s still self-serving and even though Hook’s done with the vengeance thing, there’s no reason Rumple can’t find other creative ways to attack Hook. So he curses his hand. This was a very popular when they were filming this episode and it looks like, it’s going to happen. Score points for our team again!.
October 15, 2014 at 7:15 pm #285677surayya
ParticipantHere’s my two cents on the date outfit. They definitely went for a young and innocent look compared to the previous outfits we have seen Emma in on her “dates” and her usual outfits for several reasons. First, Emma obviously never had the chance to have a traditional first date or prom where the guy came to the door to pick her up properly while her parents were there hovering in the background to embarrass her and take pictures. Because she has talked about all the loser guys she has dated I’m guessing she has never actually been on the kind of date that you go on in high school where you get all nervous and excited and the guy comes to the door to pick you up AT ALL. So basically, like finding a home, this is something that Emma probably dreamed about when she was young but never got got. Now that she is older she realizes she gets to have it AND her parents also thought they were never going to get that (remember Snow saying that Emma is great but she is all grown up?) but now they DO. The easiest way to convey all of that is to make Emma look younger by dressing her differently than we have seen her before. And we need to see that she is excited about this so we need to see that she has put a lot of thought into what she is wearing – changing her earrings, ditching the normal necklaces and shoelace that are her reminders of Neal of Graham, wearing her hai r up (but the ponytail adds to the youthful look), a girlie looking pink dress (almost promish), painted her nails. But we can’t leave Killian out of this. It’s important that THIS is the episode that he ditches his pirate clothes and wants his hand back. Why? Think about his past. Who was he and how old was he before he became a pirate? We don’t know for sure but from the way he worshipped his brother he was relatively young. We know he was a very upstanding, straight laced guy – the kind who would have treated a girl very well if he was courting one. But between being abandoned as a child and being raised by his Navy brother and then being in the Navy himself I’m guessing HE didn’t have much of a chance to court much himself. Then his brother died and he became a pirate. As a pirate, he basically either had women throwing themselves at him or he was paying for them – there wasn’t any courting going on. Then he met Milah. He loved her but she didn’t exactly play hard to get, she threw herself at him. Although we don’t know for sure, I feel like their relationship was set before she joined his ship and they just kind of fell into place. She very much fell in love with the pirate version of Killian Jones – she told Rumple that she fell in love with him because he told her about all of his adventures. He never had to TRY to impress Milah. Now he has Emma who has had to “court” in a round about way for quite awhile, and it has taken him a while to figure out why she won’t open up to him. When he finally learns WHY she has been pushing him away it melts his heart even more than he thought possible because it has nothing to do with HIM. Emma has never really cared whether Killian was Captain Hook, a pirate, or just Killian Jones – she has loved all versions of him, and she’s been terrified of losing all versions of him. For the first time EVER, I believe – just like Emma, Killian has the opportunity to do something he always dreamt of doing when he was young but never had the chance – to properly court a woman he loves. I think this is why he chooses this moment to ditch his pirate clothes. Just like Emma, he puts a lot of thought into what he is going to wear. In his case, I also think he wants her to see that SHE is more important to him than being a pirate (which Emma honestly doesn’t care about and will, I think lead to an identity crisis that will lead into the second part of the season). Of course, everyone loves Colin’s look so they can’t deviate too much from his usual look – but just getting him out of his usual pirate attire says a lot. The biggest deal is getting his hand back. We all know that Emma doesn’t care about him missing a hand and I think most of us were initially very torn about him getting his hand back (I think A and E have figured out a way to do it so it will kill all of us based upon spoilers). Not only do I think he wants his hand back so he can be “whole” for Emma (which is ridiculous) and so he can embrace her with both hands – I think it also symbolizes for him a time before he was overtaken with a quest for revenge – a time when he was more “innocent.” And really, how much more sweet and innocent can he look the first time Emma sees him with his hand than reaching out with that hand presenting her with a rose – which someone pointed out that a single red Rose means “I love you.” So basically whatever God awful deal he makes with Gold to get his hand back he’s going to do because he loves Emma and believes he wants/needs his hands to be who he wants to be for her. At the end of the day while the visions of youth and innocence LOOK adorable, you can’t turn back time (ha! Well I guess CS can!!) or change the past. And the crappy things that happened to both of their lives are what ultimately lead them to each other and are why they find such strength in one another. I think that they might have some rough roads ahead trying to be people that they really aren’t for one another (especially Killian) for awhile. I honestly don’t think Emma even notices the hook and really hasn’t from the beginning – it’s just HIM. This may be sick but I have this head cannon where Emma and Killian are in some kind of danger and Killy no longer has his hook and they really need it so Emma has to make a horrible decision and chooses to magically remove his hand and replace it with his hook to save them thinking he will hate her for it. But then he is worried that she will no longer find him attractive because he has his hook back and then he finally recognizes she doesn’t give a rats potootie about his hook, that she loves him regardless.
Very insightful post!
Only thing I’ll add to this bit …
I honestly don’t think Emma even notices the hook and really hasn’t from the beginning – it’s just HIM.
Oh, I think she notices it, but in a ‘thats kinda sexy’ way, if what happened in past EF is anything to go buy LMAO 😉
I do wonder if Emma has pondered whether if he takes it off for making tacos (because I cant recall what the CS version of this is called anymore lol) or what… I hope we get to see her ask about that at some stage… or someone else asks her that question LOL 😉I LIKE innocent looking Emma, after seeing nothing but the hardass for 3 seasons. Don’t know why people online are hating on the dress, she looks gorgeous.
Yes, exactly! I’m beyond excited we wont see Emma clad in her leather armor… I also noticed she seems to be going for softer/lighter more flowing/floaty fabrics for her shirts these days as well & I treasure every little detail that indicates how Emma is softening & opening her self up more 🙂
What a totally bright spot and smile inducing joy this thread and the happiness embracing participants are among the murky, self-indulgent, dead-character-obsessed doom-gloom and pathetically negative shallow sea of anti-Once-fandom much of this forum has become.
The fabulous gifs, the ultra creative videos, the positivity, the respectful discussion, the intelligent wit, the heart happy girlish squeees, the mutual support of OMG Here Comes More Tortured Angst Anxiety…quite the sanctuary!
Many thanks to all of you for coming here to share
And the love affair continues…
It does & it is 😉 Here’s hoping some lurkers will come out of hiding & come enjoy the show with us here in our little safe haven- they dont have to ship CS to enjoy the show with us, they have to be ok with plenty of CS discussion & visuals lol 😉 So any lurkers out there, come & join in the fun… we wont bite 😀 😉
So I just came across this very spoilery article on TV Line about the event we’re anticipating in the next episode…but seriously, it’s REALLY spoiler-y, more so than I was expecting. (Although a lot of the things that were revealed had been guessed or deduced from previous spoilers already.) If you’re still interested:
http://tvline.com/2014/10/15/once-upon-a-time-emma-hook-date-cursed-hand/So it looks like the cursed-hand theory is still a good one…I really wonder where this Rumple-Killian storyline is going since we’ve seen plenty of more scenes with the two of them recently. I’m very intrigued!
…must.resist.temptation…..must.resist.temptation! I’m gonna die not totally spoiling the date events for myself…this better be worth the enormous effort involved, cause it isnt easy …how people do this hard core, I do not know, but man do I have a whole new level of respect for them! (If Will barges in before we get much date time…. I may just hunt him down myself & curse him into oblivion for negating my tremendous efforts of trying to ‘not know’ what happens lol) 😉
4days to go Folks!!!!!!!!!!!
October 15, 2014 at 7:29 pm #285679callmeLola
ParticipantScrewballs review of 403 is up. As per usual, it’s HILARIOUS however I do think she was overly harsh with OQ.
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/100097433956/why-i-warmed-up-to-rocky-road-4×03-this-week-on
October 15, 2014 at 8:28 pm #285705obisgirl
ParticipantOctober 15, 2014 at 9:23 pm #285708Jenna_B
Participant@RGF – wonderfully put!
In regard to the TVLine article – it is rather spoiler-y but definitely nothing like we got after NYCC (naturally). It definitely keeps me excited about the episode and date this Sunday! It’s interesting, the comments. I usually couldn’t read the OUAT comments on TVLine stories last season because they were so ridiculously anti-Hook/CS (which in and of itself was ridiculous because everyone knows Matt Mitovich practically mans the helm of the CS ship so yeah, his articles are always going to slant pro-CS) but the articles that I’ve read this season directly on the site seem to contain a lot more positive comments. Not sure if people are coming around, CSers are just getting louder and the haters slinking away with their tails between their legs, or what…but it was refreshing. I don’t need others to squeal and go crazy like we do outside CS specific sites/our thread – just have respect for the character/ship, as I(we) try to have respect for others’. I really don’t think that’s asking too much. Yes, here, in this thread, I may lash out about other ships or characters, but even here I do try to point out the merits of that person/couple to balance it. I certainly wouldn’t lash out in other threads. Unfortunately, that’s not always reciprocated.
But whatevs! Because I think we’re getting a nice amount of CS without the writers/show going overboard (bias admitted!) I still think Belle’s way to simply & weakly written but I’ve always liked Rumple when the Dark One’s playing so I’m loving the idea of him doing something to Hook’s hand, because that’s what nasty-Rumple does! I hope the Hook scene calling Rumple out about the dagger and possible ‘retaliation’ by cursing Hook’s does set up some great conflict between the two.
October 15, 2014 at 9:35 pm #285709Jenna_B
ParticipantAaaaand – tee hee:
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How about a little script tease from Sunday’s new episode?
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October 15, 2014 at 10:33 pm #285719Epona_610
ParticipantOh yeah, the script tease was really cute–I can’t wait!
And then there’s so much else to look forward to as well, both CS-related and not…There’s really only one storyline that I’m shaping up not to like, although it could go in a different direction than the one I’m anticipating so I’m not even writing that one off yet. 🙂
October 15, 2014 at 11:15 pm #285732Sarah_TN
ParticipantAs per the spoilers we’ve received (see below),
http://tvline.com/2014/10/15/once-upon-a-time-emma-hook-date-cursed-hand/
This is how I picture the situation of Killian’s “evil” hand (all in fun, of course!) ;o)
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