The Captain Swan thread!

[surayya]

Oh yeah, the script tease was really cute–I can’t wait!

And then there’s so much else to look forward to as well, both CS-related and not…There’s really only one storyline that I’m shaping up not to like, although it could go in a different direction than the one I’m anticipating so I’m not even writing that one off yet.

It was very cute wasnt it …..
ok, so apparently I suck at staying ‘strictly’ spoiler free lol 😉
It takes so much effort & self control, it better be worth it (I cant unglue my stupid shoulder angel, so I’m stuck, sticking out being spoiler free-ish)…god rest Will’s soul if he totals the thing I’m not meant to be spoiling myself with & it turns out I needed the spoilers to prepare for the angst of it all lol 😛 (by Once day I’m gonna be a grumpy, snarling, beast at this rate 😛 … turns out I have serious “need to know” thing going on lol).

[surayya]

My thoughts on the dress, how the fandom views Emma in a dress and why it’s insulting to her character

And love what Maggie said on twitter

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At this point the haters are just hating for the sake of hating, because they have nothing plausible left to actually hate. I’m finding it laughable really… if we replaced Hook with Regina or Neal, they wouldnt have an issue with what Emma is wearing, it’s childish & vapid behavior, so whatever- some people obviously enjoy behaving like douche bags not just publicly, but globally 😉
IF they were watching the actual show as told, rather than as if it should be telling their own personal head cannons (cause how dare Adam & Eddy be telling their story LOL), then they’d have picked up the subtle & not so subtle signs since S3 that perfectly show the progression of Emma’s character & often how her wardrobe reflects that 🙂
I Love that tweet! 🙂

usually couldn’t read the OUAT comments on TVLine stories last season because they were so ridiculously anti-Hook/CS (which in and of itself was ridiculous because everyone knows Matt Mitovich practically mans the helm of the CS ship so yeah, his articles are always going to slant pro-CS) but the articles that I’ve read this season directly on the site seem to contain a lot more positive comments.  Not sure if people are coming around, CSers are just getting louder and the haters slinking away with their tails between their legs, or what…but it was refreshing.  I don’t need others to squeal and go crazy like we do outside CS specific sites/our thread – just have respect for the character/ship, as I(we) try to have respect for others’.  I really don’t think that’s asking too much.

Nope, not asking to much- ship & let ship & shipping is fun 😉
I’ve noticed the same thing re- less overt hate tbh.
I also have noticed after almost 2seasons of CS & Hook being brow based by 2-3 ships, CS’ers seem to be dropping firm but fair fact bombs on the haters (that writers, JMo, Colin, A&E for those!) & it’s worked a treat in most cases. All thats really left now is plain old hate for hatings sake- pure & simple. It’s almost like the show has gone through the haters arguments 1 by 1 & proven categorically how incorrect they are LOL- it’s quite refreshing not to have say “IMO” about “interpreting” what Hook or Emma is feeling these days as well lol 😉

[surayya]

couple of youtube vids

[surayya]

Couple of throw back vids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byx3t-99_LQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-o0ZxjWQR4

Crack vids
402

403

404 promo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp44CPs5Hig

[surayya]

Interesting meta about the purpose of the date … it’s spoilery past the promo, but does include much the same speculation about the hand[spoiler] as we have had 🙂

[spoiler]I’ve had a few conversations over the last few days that have really had me thinking about this date intently. With the release of promo pictures, I was thrilled, we all were. But the more I looked at them, and the more discussions I watched, the more I began to think this date is not what we all think or want it to be.

The more I looked at the clothing, the more I realized things. Emma looks so young and innocent. The last time we saw her hair in a ponytail she was a seventeen year old dating Neal. In the pilot Emma’s dress was hot pink, and on her date with Walsh her dress was black. Both of those dresses were made to look sexy. This dress is pastel, with a much softer cut. It’s very pretty, but very different from any dress we’ve ever seen Emma in before.

Hook is also in modern clothing. He even went to the lengths to make a deal with Gold to get his hand back so he could embrace Emma with both hands. He even came prepared with a rose. Very different from the Killian anyone has known in the last three hundred or so years.

Obviously on a first date, you aim to impress. You usually aren’t very much yourself on the first date at all. Everything that goes through your mind is going through a filter of how it could be perceived. You don’t want to come across any certain way. Most first dates are simple. We talk about the weather, movies, music, where we grew up, what our interests are, etc.

Over time you get to peel away the layers of the other person. We slowly show pieces of our souls and pasts that are difficult. We uncover the demons hiding in the closet. We get to see the worst of someone. We get to see how people react in all kinds of situations from intense situations to straight up frustrating situations We see them when they’re angry, upset, hurt. And usually it’s when we realize we love someone not despite these things, but because all of these things are a part of what makes them who they are, that we know we’ve found true love.

And here are Emma and Killian doing it in complete reverse. They’ve already seen each other’s ugly sides. He’s seen the pissed off mother, the exhausted savior, the brokenhearted daughter, etc. She’s seen the snarky flirt, the evil pirate, the scared man, etc. They’ve seen each other when they’re stuck in Neverland and haven’t showered for a week. They’ve seen each other when they have a near death experience. They’ve seen each other when at they’re at their worst.

And here they are together. They didn’t have to get dolled up and go on a first date to fall in love. They’re where they are because they fell in love with each other for exactly who they were in the rawest, most imperfect versions of themselves. I can’t think of a truer love.

And here they are trying to backpedal to the impression stage. In Emma’s case, he’s already seen her in the sexy red ball gown and fancy hairstyle. She’s showing him a softer, more innocent and vulnerable side. He’s showing her that he’s here to adapt to her world and that he’s not going anywhere.

I’ve also seen it pointed out that she is wearing neither Grahams shoelace or Neal’s necklace. Add the fact that she asked him on the date, it looks like Emma is moving forward.

I’ve wondered to myself what they’d talk about on this date. Could they even talk about the weather? They’ve been so busy with crises they probably haven’t even realized what the weather has been. What is Emma’s favorite flower? When has she even had five seconds to think about flowers? “What did you do this week?” “The same thing you did. Fought monsters, handled crises after crises, watched Netflix.”It’s not like they’re going to reveal their intimate pasts in a public place either. I think there could be some definite awkwardness coming their way.

Add in the embarrassing part of her parents trying to get back part of her life that they missed out on by being there with a camera, I think it’s a recipe for awkward.

I think this all has a point though. It’s not just for gratification. I think that this relationship is confusing because it is backwards from the normal and they’re in bizarre circumstances and situations. Right now they’re trying to figure it out and how and if it will work.

So what happens when the date gets awkward? What happens when the date goes wrong? What happens at the end of the date? What about the next day when Cinderella trades her dress for a red leather jacket? When the deal with Gold goes south and Hook is back to having a hook as opposed to a hand?

Realization comes. Emma doesn’t love Hook because of a change of clothes, flowers, or even being able to embrace her with both hands. Hook doesn’t love Emma for pretty dresses, high heels, and fancy hairdos. They love each other because of who they are. They don’t need sit down dinners or elaborate dates to figure that out. They already know.

Maybe it will take Killian being upset about his hook for Emma to express that she doesn’t care if he can hold her with both hands or not, she loves him regardless. Maybe this “normal” date to try and fall in love the normal way will cause them to realize that they aren’t normal. They don’t do things the normal way. They don’t need to impress each other to try and fall in love, they already love each other.

 

& she has bonus theory…

I’ve talked about the original Snow Queen story, and what the broken mirror shards could mean for different storylines. I think that if there is a shard of glass, Killian is the most likely recipient. Realizing that you truly love someone, only to have that someone suddenly only be able to see the ugly in you? Horrible. But solidifying that you love someone and don’t need elaborate dates because you already know their soul right before their whole makeup changes? Crucial.

Emma already told him that she can’t lose him too. What better way to foreshadow what’s coming up? Why not put that to the test? Why not see just how far she’s willing to go for the man that she truly loves. She knows his soul, and once she knows that and accepts that, we could see her fighting against everyone believing he’s just gone back to his pirate ways. She knows him like no one else. She may have to stand alone, but to see her be the one to fight against all odds for the one she loves would be an astounding and beautiful character development.

https://www.tumblr.com/oncecrazy/100139976031/hook-and-emma-the-point-of-the-date

I really like that theory a lot!

[surayya]

UGH! I give up, cant get it to quote more than the 1st paragraph, despite it clearly showing the everything in the meta is actually quoted in edit mode :/

Pretties are in coming 🙂

[surayya]

Killy & Charming getting ‘told’ 😉
    

Killian and David giving adorable puppy dog eyes to their pissed off true loves

http://emmashero.tumblr.com/post/100016779671/killian-and-david-giving-adorable-puppy-dog-eyes

 

    
http://rlocksley.tumblr.com/post/100020819573

 

          

…whatever we become, it’s up to h e r as much as m e .
I c a n’ t lose you, too.

http://killian-comeback2me.tumblr.com/post/100055295254/whatever-we-become-its-up-to-h-e-r-as-much

 

4×03+Killian ‘put your face away, sir’ Jones 2/2

http://athenaia.tumblr.com/post/100017200037

 

http://the-captain-vale.tumblr.com/post/100017664264

[obisgirl]

So I saw a fanfiction prompt on tumblr saying that Emma doesn’t wear Graham’s shoelace and the swan necklace anymore. I don’t think I’ve been paying attention much to notice, so is that really true?

[Bo-Peeps]

OK, all  things and frustrating crap included, I still LOVE the Internet. (Especially creative wit)

The videos are super! Thank you 🙂

Emma looks beautiful , Hook looks smoldering-sexy, and the whole date treatment sounds like solid fun and highly entertaining.

Haters are humorless spooge and Adam should just tell them to all go chug bong water and take a long trip into the permanent la-la-land that exists in their delusionally entitled self-absorbed heads.

Captain Hand…Emma I adore your sass!

***Always in search of a good flock***

[obisgirl]

We have yet another awesome article from Jen and Colin about the upcoming date, how they feel about each other, some new Disney parallels

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