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October 16, 2014 at 4:26 pm #285783
surayya
ParticipantSo I saw a fanfiction prompt on tumblr saying that Emma doesn’t wear Graham’s shoelace and the swan necklace anymore. I don’t think I’ve been paying attention much to notice, so is that really true?
Will let you know- I’m rewatching all 3eps of S3 tonight 🙂
We have yet another awesome article from Jen and Colin about the upcoming date, how they feel about each other, some new Disney parallels
Argh! Why?! why must I be trying to stay spoiler free dang it!!!!!! It’s Friday & I have to wait until Monday mid afternoon before I can read a Jen & Colin interview…… this is cruel & unusual torture of the highest kind 😉
[adrotate group="5"]October 16, 2014 at 4:33 pm #285784surayya
ParticipantLove this meta-
That pink dress is a message from Emma to Hook, AND the viewers stuck on “Season 1 Emma”:”I’m a complicated woman. And you don’t know me as well as you think you do.”
Hook has demonstrated a fantastic understanding of Emma’s emotional side – we’ve been shown again and again how well he reads her. But his interactions with her have, almost entirely, been limited to epic quests of realm hopping and saving loved ones (and the future).
As such, Hook’s impression of Emma is similar to that of fans who often refer to “Season 1 Emma” – she’s a woman with emotional walls, gruff and rough around the edges, jeans and leather. And like many fans, he fell in love with that woman. She’s strong and brave, perceptive and willful, powerful and determined. And the clothes she wears are part of the way she conveys those traits – the ones she wants others to see.
But as we saw in 3B, when Emma had a year without painful memories and a wardrobe to match that emotional state, there is a softer side to her as well. She wore silk shirts, high heeled shoes and boots, more skirts and dresses than we’d seen in the other 2 1/2 seasons combined, and a soft red coat in place of her leather one. This wardrobe change was intended to reflect a woman who didn’t wear her clothing like armor. She even went to battle the Wicked Witch in a skirt and heels!
There were elements of this version of Emma all along – the flowing curls she wore in her hair in S1 (that takes time), the make-up, the cashmere sweaters, the dresses she wore in her younger days in the Tallahassee flashbacks, the dress she donned to head to Manhattan with Gold and Henry. And most importantly the fact that she told Graham “You don’t need to dress a woman like a man to give her authority”.
Emma knows Hook fell in love with her in jeans and boots – but it didn’t go unnoticed by her that he enjoyed seeing her in a dress when they traveled back in time. And I think when they have their little chat about planning their date Emma might feel like she has something to prove:
Emma: I know how to plan a date.
Hook: You know how to chase a monster. I know how to plan an evening.
The implication being “You’re a tough lass and I love you for it but better leave the romance bit to me”. And I think Emma might take this as a challenge. She’s going to show him a thing or two when she dresses for their date. That pink dress is Emma saying “You don’t think I know about romance? I’m going to knock your fucking socks off with just how soft and feminine I can be when I’m not battling monsters.” She wants his jaw to hit the floor – in awe and shock.
Because this night is very much about finding quiet moments – spending time together NOT battling monsters. And according to JMo it’s about getting to know one another – showing vulnerability. Given all that it makes perfect sense that Emma would wear the furthest thing from armor. It makes perfect sense that she would wear a dress that is, fashion-wise, the opposite of the black leather she wore to her date with Walsh (which Hook witnessed). Hook has already seen that side of her – and now she’s going to show him something different.
It makes perfect sense that she would chose to wear something so soft and so feminine – and it’s going to take his breath away, not just because she looks so beautiful, but because that dress is for him. Because she’s offering him a part of herself that she hasn’t given to anyone in an incredibly long time – maybe ever.
And if you don’t think that’s fucking beautiful, if you don’t think that fucking pink dress – and all the character development it took to bring her to a place where she could wear it – are beautiful, then you just don’t deserve to see her it it.
Note: Maybe she already had the dress, maybe she bought it in town, or maybe (as many have suggested) most of her wardrobe is still in NYC so she had to borrow something from MM. It doesn’t matter where the dress came from, what matters is that she chose to wear it.I agree with the writer of this meta- we’ve known for ages Emma wears her clothes as metaphorical armor & we saw clearly in 3B the change in her clothing style (as mentioned) to reflect her change in persona, thanks to her cursed memories. Now she is the product of her cursed memories, along with her original memories combined & the understanding that has come about because of them both; in short she has chosen to let love back in & be more vulnerable with someone because of it. This dress perfectly reflects that IMO & as stated above, is nothing more than the culmination of Emma’s 3B emotional changes.
October 16, 2014 at 5:07 pm #285786surayya
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Everyone I’ve been with is dead.
Neal, Graham, even Walsh.
I lost e v e r y o n e.[/spoiler]
http://the-rollyjoger.tumblr.com/post/99903922698/very-very-zoomed-their-hands-kill-meOctober 16, 2014 at 5:07 pm #285787PriceofMagic
ParticipantI disagree with that meta writer, particularly with the part where they get all aggressive with the “if you don’t agree with X then you don’t deserve Y”. I also dislike the implication that Emma is only wearing that dress for Hook as if Hook’s enjoyment is more important than Emma’s comfort. Emma has worn plenty of dresses over the show that have shown her feminine side but were still in the style of Emma. The dress that Emma wears on the date isn’t Emma’s usual style. I think the problem is more the colour rather than the actual dress itself. It’s a very virginal colour whereas Emma usually wears bold colours.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixOctober 16, 2014 at 5:25 pm #285788killianhookfan
ParticipantIs anyone else having problems with posting lately? I have recently been having weird issues where I suddenly get “pushed” to the top of the page or back to another page and get a message that says something like I’ve been logged out because I’ve been idle for 15 minutes. It is royally ticking me off because every time it’s happened I have been in the middle of a LONG profound post that has taken more than 15 minutes to write but for some reason the site isn’t recognizing that I am typing. I am constantly having to log back in and I can’t even see or read all the posts without logging in for some reason.
I’ve been reading all day and trying to respond to all the posts but I can’t!!!!!
October 16, 2014 at 5:28 pm #285789surayya
ParticipantI disagree with that meta writer, particularly with the part where they get all aggressive with the “if you don’t agree with X then you don’t deserve Y”. I also dislike the implication that Emma is only wearing that dress for Hook as if Hook’s enjoyment is more important than Emma’s comfort. Emma has worn plenty of dresses over the show that have shown her feminine side but were still in the style of Emma. The dress that Emma wears on the date isn’t Emma’s usual style. I think the problem is more the colour rather than the actual dress itself. It’s a very virginal colour whereas Emma usually wears bold colours.
Agree to disagree- I think it is totally in character given the changes in attire we’ve already seen during 3B & her implication isnt it’s “just for Hook” at all- she said clearly it reflects the emotional changes we’ve being seeing since 3B & that it’s what Emma “wants to wear”, but looking good for Hook WILL have been a factor in Emma’s selection- thats simply the nature of going on a date & that was her point there.
October 16, 2014 at 5:33 pm #285790surayya
ParticipantHehe, fan encounter with Colin during filming …
Long post on the way, but just know that our sweet Irish Prince is definitely as amazing as you think. One of the most gracious, kind, and generous individuals you could ever be in the company of. And yes, HE IS AS HANDSOME UP-CLOSE AS HE IS 10 FEET AWAY AND AS FUNNY AND DORKY AS YOU THINK. Love him to bits, fan for life!
P.S. scribblecat27, he signed my CS bag that I got of one of your drawings! He held it up and said, “Is that a bag?” and admired it for a moment 😀 Thought you’d want to know!
http://colinodonoghue-s.tumblr.com/post/100149803032/i-know-how-you-kiss-just-got-back-to-the-hotel
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Well! We just got back, got to see the whole cast minus Lana, Bobby, Sean & Emilie. Although, Lana and Sean were on set wayyyyy early this morning before we got there. The only person we got to meet was Colin — Josh was a little under the weather and it was a LONG shooting day so everyone was exhausted.
When Colin was signing autographs and taking pictures after we met him, someone who is usually at the filming shoots asked for a picture and Colin said “You already have like 20 with me!” just joking around and the guy was like “Well yeah but that was when you were a pirate” (meaning dressed in the pirate clothes) and I went “He’s still a pirate!!!” and Colin said “I’ll always be a pirate” right back to me. IT WAS SO CUTE.
We couldn’t see what they were filming, they did several scenes and we got to meet a lot of the crew. On the way back to their trailers, Elizabeth Lail & Scott Michael Foster were singing “Let it go” — BE MORE CUTER, GUYS.
But let me just say this about Colin O’Donoghue- we drove 15 hours to see this cast and even though he was visibly exhausted, he took the time to come over and say hi. He was the only one to do so and I am so so thankful. He also leaned on my car and propped himself up on it with his hand and now I never want to wash it! hahaha 🙂 But he made this girl’s trip and this girl’s life and just when I thought I couldn’t love him anymore… he goes and surprises me. Now I think I’m going to go have a good cry. 🙂
http://colinodonoghue-s.tumblr.com/post/100149693067/ahhhhhskdnaskahsdbnkh
http://im-secretly-the-doctor.tumblr.com/post/100138835823/honestly-guys-the-hate-needs-to-stop
October 16, 2014 at 6:07 pm #285791surayya
ParticipantI cant loose you too
Manip
because i saw the promo pictures and decided i really just needed them closer and holding hands (◠‿◠✿)
October 16, 2014 at 6:17 pm #285792surayya
ParticipantOH I LOVE THIS! More Dress meta stuff, this time from NerdyGirl 🙂
Fangirl Thursday: A New Dress and an Open Heart
This post is a little different from my usual Fangirl Thursday ones, but sometimes you just have to go where the inspiration leads.
I love clothes. I love to shop for them, to look at them in magazines and on red carpets, and to talk about them. As such, dissecting a character’s costume choices is one of my favorite ways to analyze any piece of media. From the evolution of Kate Beckett’s hair to the bright colors worn by Mindy Lahiri, the outward appearance of a TV character gives us a lot of insight into exactly who they are.
Therefore, when a character shows up wearing something different from what we’ve come to expect, it’s important. It’s worth talking about.
This—Emma Swan in a soft pink dress with her hair pulled back, ready for her first real date with Hook—is worth talking about.
We’ve never seen Emma wear anything like this before, and that’s perfect. Because we’ve never seen Emma feel like this before.
The two most memorable instances of Emma wearing a dress were on “dates” in the pilot and in Season Three’s “New York City Serenade.” In both instances, Emma was dressing for work—in the pilot she was working a case and in “New York City Serenade,” she came to her date from work. (I watched that scene again to make sure, and she apologized for being late, prompting Walsh to assume she “caught the guy.”) And even if she went home to change before her date with Walsh, there’s another parallel to be found between that date and the one in the pilot: Emma wasn’t truly herself on either date. We have no idea how Emma Swan would really dress for a date because this is all new—for us as viewers and for Emma as a character.
Emma Swan has always been a guarded character, and her clothes have reflected that. Her leather jackets and her dark-colored clothes are her armor. Even the initial pilot script described her in her dress as “a Terminator in couture.” Emma’s first instinct is to protect, and for a long time, that meant protecting herself by projecting a “tough” image to cover up the fact that she’s always felt like “a lost little girl who didn’t matter and didn’t think she ever would.” Emma feared showing anyone even a shred of vulnerability; she hardened herself in response to her hard life, leaving no room for clothes that would make her look “soft” to people that could hurt her.
But this dress—with its delicate pink color and romantic style—is as soft as it gets. It’s a striking visual contrast to anything we’ve ever seen Emma wear before, and it’s supposed to be. This is Emma without her armor, putting it aside for at least one night with a man she’s come to trust with both her rough edges and her delicate heart. This is Emma embracing a quiet, happy moment where she can put aside her role as the savior and the sheriff and indulge in a little time to simply be Emma, a woman who is finally letting herself be loved for exactly who she is.
The Emma wearing this dress and smiling at Hook is a direct reflection of the Emma we saw at the end of “Rocky Road.” She let the last of her emotional armor fall away in that episode, completely exposing the soft, vulnerable heart that she tried to harden after losing so much. And she did that because—as she explicitly told Hook—she trusts him. That trust allowed her to be completely vulnerable with him, to let the last bit of her guard down. So she can wear a soft pink dress in front of him and smile without reservation now—because she feels safe to be completely herself with him, and that means letting him see the softer side of her personality that she felt scared to reveal to anyone after being hurt in the past.
Emma spent so long looking for a home, for a place where she could feel safe to be herself and loved for who she is. And now she has that. She has a mother who’s holding a camera as her daughter goes on a date and a father who looks protective and proud all at once. And she even has a friend who looks truly happy for her.
This is a moment for Emma and Hook, but it’s a moment for her parents, too. They never got to watch their little princess go to a ball or get courted by a suitor. And Emma never had parents waiting up for her after a date or taking pictures before prom. There’s a sense of innocence to this moment, and that’s reflected in Emma’s dress, too. Emma grew up too fast; she never got to experience an innocent moment like this one, and I’m so happy that both she and her parents are able to have this. And that innocence comes into play for Hook, too. He must feel at least a little bit like the young lieutenant he once was, who might have dreamed of courting a princess before losing his brother and starting down a darker path.
Because Emma is a princess, and in the Season Three finale we finally saw her embrace that part of herself. She danced at a ball with Hook, who called her “your highness,” and she seemed to truly enjoy living in a fairytale for at least that moment. This date is their chance to bring a little bit of the romance of that ball into Emma’s world. Her dress is ladylike because this is her chance to let herself feel like the princess she is. Once Upon a Time is Emma’s fairytale, and this date is her first real chance to have a fairytale moment in a world that felt like anything but a fairytale for too long.
Emma’s life has been filled with so much loss, and she carries that loss with her in many ways. Physically, Neal’s swan keychain/necklace and Graham’s shoelace have been common parts of her wardrobe, but they’re absent for her date. She is trying to move beyond the pain those things represented, trusting that this chance at love doesn’t have to end up like it did with Neal and Graham. This is an Emma Swan trying to let go of the painful losses that made her so afraid to open her heart to Hook. In her pink dress with her hair off her face and her light makeup, she is the living embodiment of the idea of a fresh start.
The Emma we see in this dress is a softer Emma than we’ve ever seen before, but she is by no means a weaker Emma. In fact, she’s stronger than she’s ever been. It takes an amazingly strong person to trust someone with the softest and most vulnerable parts of your heart after you’ve been hurt the way Emma has. It takes incredible bravery to let your guard down after a lifetime of having it up. Emma showed true courage when she fought dragons and witches, but she’s showing perhaps even more courage in this moment—trusting Hook with the softest parts of herself that she’s kept hidden out of fear of being hurt.
Emma Swan is such a great character because she’s layered and multifaceted, like real women are. Yes, she wears jeans and leather, but she can also wear pink dresses, using both of those wardrobe choices to highlight different kinds of strength. Those two things don’t have to be mutually exclusive when you have a character with the depth we’ve seen in Emma. They simply reflect different facets of this multifaceted character.
There are so many different ways that women (and people in general) can be strong. Once Upon a Time celebrates the idea that true strength doesn’t always show itself in wielding a sword or taking down a monster. It often shows itself in opening yourself up to someone when life has given you every reason to fear vulnerability, and that’s what this date and this dress are all about.
The strongest people don’t always wear armor. Sometimes they wear pink dresses.October 16, 2014 at 6:43 pm #285794killianhookfan
ParticipantHow can one dress cause so much discussion!!
Personally, I don’t think Emma is wearing that dress FOR Hook. I mean aside from showing off her cleavage, it isn’t a dress that screams Captain Hook’s girlfriend to me – even in the Enchanted Forest he seemed to prefer her in a different kind of look. BUT, with that said – I think Hook loves Emma in anything and everything. I think Emma just wants to look pretty. Not necessarily FOR Hook but for HERSELF. She wants a chance to be girlie, she never had that. That dress screams girlie – it’s the Storybrooke equivalent of a princess dress. And that is what Emma gets to be for a night – the princess she is. She gets to forget about chasing monsters and remember that she IS a fairy tale princess. No, she doesn’t HAVE to wear a princess dress to be a fairy tale princess but when your life has been about as far away from a fairy tale as possible and you ARE, in fact, a princess why NOT dress the part every now and then?
I mean I love Emma in whatever she wears but it’s nice to see her in something different. I don’t think she HAS to wear a girlie dress to be a princess (I actually prefer Snow’s pearl white pants outfit with the long overcoat thingy that she wears in the EF over anything she has ever worn and it isn’t a traditional princess outfit). But even if she WANTED to wear something FOR Hook, who cares? I’ve been married for 10 years and there have been many times that I have been shopping for an outfit for some function and when I’ve decided what to buy one of the factors HAS been what my husband likes. And sometimes I have decided to go with MY second choice is because I know my husband will like it better and I want him to like what I look like.
There have also been times I’ve tried on a dress and been like “This is so totally NOT something I would normally wear but for some reason I LOVE it” so I get it and it’s fun to be different for a night. Prime example, after Emma wore the black leather dress I saw a faux leather dress and tried it on when I needed a dress for a ballet fund raiser. Surprisingly, I loved it. It was totally not me and shocked me that it actually looked formal enough. I have gotten more compliments on that dress than any other I own. It doesn’t make some shocking statement about me, it doesn’t mean that I am trying to be someone I am not, it doesn’t mean I am out of character when I wear. I means I like the darn dress!!
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