The Captain Swan thread!

[surayya]

[surayya]

http://housecousland.tumblr.com/post/101072796951

 

      

https://www.tumblr.com/onceland/101059960627

 

    

http://meowdonoghue.tumblr.com/post/101175953158/emma-killian-being-flirty-and-cute-at-the

 

        http://anythingyouhold.tumblr.com/post/99424443260/dont-stand-alone-im-right-here

 

snow: was there a goodnight kiss?
charming: that, for instance, is one of the things i don’t wanna know about
http://keepcalmwearetimeless.tumblr.com/post/100580271482/snow-was-there-a-goodnight-kiss-charming

 

[surayya]

  
  
  
  
  

https://www.tumblr.com/onceland/101180193027

 

This one isnt CS but good lord has Sean got a wicked sense of humor! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Oh, I also forgot to mention that when someone showed Colin the #WeLoveHook trend, he was very touched & thanked us all 🙂

[Epona_610]

Hi, everyone. I haven’t posted over a week because we had a death in the family, but I finally got around to catching up. The first thing I have to address is how much I loathed the most recent episode…if anyone is a Regina fan, you might want to skip this post.

Ouch, bit of a drop that! To be expected though I guess given the promotional material they used. I know on a group with 7000 plus members not one person was looking forward to yesterdays episode & many didnt bother watching thanks to the couple of interviews Lana gave combined with the promo of Regina tearing strips off of Emma (many see it as the whine-gina hr & many have stated they arent interested in hearing it all again, they’ve had enough of it & want S3 Regina back)- many seem to have just waited for clips on youtube/tumbler etc. Which I think is a little sad, as the episode wasnt at all ‘bad’ IMO.

I have seen hundreds of posts since the episode that are seriously not impressed with Regina’s ranting at Emma & I will admit, it surprised me as I thought the evilregals were probably the biggest character fan base given how often I see ‘Regina is the best’ stuff all over the place, but seems it’s more they are one of the most vocal about their love & Emma does actually indeed have the most supporters, it’s just they tend to be quieter. It really has been nice to see Emma so well defended against Regina’s diatribe- even on reviews that accepted Regina’s ranting & bashing of Emma, the comments seem to be skewed towards disgust & disappointment at Regina for her hypocrisy & admiration for Emma, for her not throwing everything Regina has done to her, in Regina’s face.

Yeah. I was VERY put off by all of the interviews and promotions and had no desire to watch the ep live–and that made me really sad because this was a rare Emma flashback episode! But they made it all about freaking Regina. And the interviews…personally I was rather disgusted by some of the things Lana was saying–in one article, she describes the verbal abuse thrown at Emma and how “Emma just takes it, because she knows it’s deserved”. Are you KIDDING me?! Emma saves an innocent wife and mother and since it made Regina lose her boyfriend of less than a week, she deserves to be torn down and yelled at? I just…yeah.

Oh, no- I totally got why Regina was being a super *female dog*, thats just what many people have been saying online.
I too made the connection between Emma/Regina & Killian/Emma right away & understood why Emma wasnt biting back. I do have to admit, as I’ve already said, I wasnt a fan of Regina’s ranting though- given the context of the situation & what she has done to Emma, it felt more than a little hypocritical & hypocrisy drives me mental lol. I just FF her diatribe on my rewatching & the problem is solved for me lol. I’m what seems like, one of the few who actually ended up really enjoying the episode thanks to the Emma insights it gave us
I do agree with obisgril that only having Lana’s POV for the interviews did create biases against the episode with many though.

Here’s the thing for me–I honestly DON’T get why Regina was being a complete jerk to Emma (unless they’re setting her up to ultimately become a major villain for next season or something) because if she had really changed, and were really sorry for her past atrocities, she’d be glad that Emma prevented one of her murders. But no.

And @surayya, it’s also really the hypocrisy that gets to me too. It’s so frustrating; I can’t stand it. This gif set does a pretty good job of showing just a small part of that:

(Source: http://onceland.tumblr.com/post/101176592512)

And I honestly don’t see the parallels between this crap and Emma/Killian last season. Was Emma lashing out at him? Sure. Was she being a little unfair at times? Yes. But Killian really did kinda make a mistake by not telling Emma (or someone) about the whole cursed-lips thing (although I’m not sure how that would’ve turned out either). It was understandable for her to be mad at him for that. Regina being mad that Emma saved one of her (many, many) murder victims? Not remotely understandable. And Emma didn’t stand there and accuse Killian of having “ruined her life” when the exact opposite is true. Emma didn’t curse him to grow up alone and unloved, she didn’t murder the first woman he started to fall for in over a decade, and she hasn’t murdered anyone in his family. The situations aren’t at all comparable in my mind.

If they’re showing us how Regina hasn’t really changed, and I can look back at this and know that she eventually gets what she deserves, then I’ll at least be okay. If the show is implying that she HAS changed, and that she has the right to say those things and has redeemed herself…well, they’re doing an incredibly crappy job of it.

And just…Seeing someone torn down like that, especially someone who’s spent her whole life being told and shown that she’s unlovable and worthless (to the point that she felt she wasn’t good enough for her son)…it was just painful. So painful I couldn’t even enjoy the nice CS scenes at the beginning and end.

[WickedRegal]

Was tipped on about the current discussion, and coming to read the last few posts has me like:

@Epona, I don’t normally come in this thread, but I heard there was some Regina/Lana Bashing going on, and I just had to see it for myself.

Was going to give a very long comment, but decided not to. All I’ve got to say is that…Evil Regals have never, and will never turn on Regina or Lana Parrilla. SO….I don’t know what you and @Suraya read, but I can guarantee it wasn’t written by an Evil Regal. And if they say that they are an Evil Regal, but are dissing The Queen and Mama Regal behind their backs….do so tell them this:

Every Evil Regal on Twitter, Facebook, Blogs have cheered Regina on for taking a stand against Emma in the last episode, as we understand that she had a lot of anger and frustration that she needed to get off her chest, and we’d appreciate it if you cut her some slack. If I could…I’d list every tweet here from Evil Regals from sunday night, but it’d probably take up the whole page! So I’ll leave the link to this one reviewer who said everything any loyal Evil Regal would say!

http://io9.com/this-years-best-episode-of-once-upon-a-time-stays-in-th-1651515653

A little teaser from the reviewer:

“Yes, Emma you ruined Regina’s life. You are a (beep) person. Stop trying to force this woman, who is desperately trying to do the right thing even though it would be way easier for her to go all “Evil Queen” and kill everyone, to forgive you because YOU feel bad. Just feel bad. Just sit there and feel bad in your badness. Wallow in the badness, maybe cry a little.”

And for any other Evil Regal/Regina/Lana Bashers….this woman/character rakes in half of the viewings according to several polls Spoiler TV and others have had. And anyone who continues to slander Regina or Lana Parrilla’s name simply because they hate the character, or just simply doesn’t like that the show is making an effort to make a hero out of a villain who thanks to outside parties(Rumple and Cora), never stood a chance at being good in the past….then (look below)

I try to give the benefit of the doubt when people want to jump and bash Regina, but not Lana….like, just no! You can’t bash an actress whose just playing her part. Lana Parrilla is making the best of what they’re writing for her character, and Regina is just trying to find her own happy ending. Now that my little rants over…carry on dears.

"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[surayya]

@WickedRegal …. why would you think an EvilRegal said anything about Lana or Regina????? Did you even take the time to actually read the posts or did you just react because a silly stirrer is trying to create drama… There has been No, Zero, Zip, Zilch Lana or Regina bashing going on thank you very much.

Fact:
I said “Emma fans” not EvilRegals, go back & actually read what was written o.O

Gonna be blunt here, I find coming in here & saying we are “Bashing Regina & Lana” a bit rich to be honest, if Hook’s supposed ‘wrong doings’ can be discussed, dissected & touted all over these forums mostly out of context & usually with Hook haters personal opinions trumping cannon or “Because I want to hate him” attitude lol- even when it’s not in relation to the character being discussed & that not be considered “bashing”- then, sorry but you can blimmin well bet your darn cotton socks Regina’s actions & the facts behind them will be discussed when it comes to how she treats Emma or Hook in a CS thread & it is the furthest thing from bashing.
Lana gave an interview & what she said was discussed- NO ONE, has bashed Lana or called her names- they have said they arent pleased with how she worded what she said- MASSIVE difference!
You may not like what has been said, but frankly nothing but cannon events & how they relate to Emma has been discussed- that isnt “bashing”– No one has said “Regina is an evil so & so because I want her to be- so there”- we’ve said we dont approve of her actions & how she treated Emma- BIG difference.

You have come in here hurling unjust accusations, while using obnoxious gifs, with nothing constructive to add to the conversation at hand, other than what appears to be a 4yr old style tantrum over the people in this thread not agreeing with your opinion on Regina’s treatment of Emma, or that Regina is the be all & end all of the show (your stats are seriously skewed by the way- almost every character fandom “thinks” their fav is the most loved & the polls prove it- just saying), with your “I speak for an entire fandom & what I say, goes- Oh & pass on this snide remark to however you’ve been talking too well you are at it” attitude & all you are coming off as doing is trolling & baiting- it isnt nice, isnt warranted is frankly uncalled for. Not Cool!

[surayya]

Perfect example of a “huge” Regina Fan’s review just popped up in my tweeter feed (& I agree with pretty much all her points about Emma & Regina, but I personally would like them to be friends- they dont need to be BBFs or anything- I prefer Elsa for that role *prays to the PTB to keep Frozen cast*, but it would be nice if they at least liked each other enough to ‘want’ to help each other out, rather than doing so only because of Henry kind of thing)

…..Here’s the thing with these scenes: I love Regina. I hate that she’s heartbroken and that she feels so alone and I understand why her sarcasm and sass are her go-to weapons because she doesn’t trust anyone to get close to her without hurting her. That makes my heart hurt for her and I just want to hug her. Her genuine disbelief that Emma considered them friends is the essence of her character – she never thinks anyone is truly on her side and she assumes she’s always going to be alone because that’s how things have always been and that is something she has in common with Emma. I like that Emma recognizes that loneliness inside Regina and wants to help her see that it doesn’t have to define her life just like Emma’s family and Hook have helped her see she doesn’t need to hide behind her walls.

But the execution of the scenes bothered me. Regina’s ranting at Emma in this episode was over the top. We saw this anger in the season premiere. We saw the sass the last time the two women crossed paths in 4×03. Was it really necessary to have most of their scenes in this episode revolving around Regina sniping at Emma and Emma sitting back and taking it because she felt guilty? As a fan of both of these ladies (with an admitted bias for Regina), I spent more time wincing and rolling my eyes and wishing Emma would just walk away instead of letting Regina continue to berate her. Let’s not forget Emma’s entire life sucked because Regina cast a curse that forced Snow and Charming to send their newborn through a portal – yet we don’t see Emma ranting at Regina every chance she gets.

Most of this episode made it seem like Regina hasn’t grown at all from that woman who once blamed a child for all of her problems and vowed to destroy her and that’s not fair because she has grown – we’ve seen it. We’ve seen it in the way she dealt with Zelena’s threats last season, in the way she saved Marian from the snow monster and the way she didn’t hesitate to help when Robin asked her to save Marian and the way she’s putting his happiness above hers. That’s the Regina we need to see more of, not this ranting, angry, bitter Regina who hits the same notes every time she shares a scene with Emma (also, can we talk about her being surprised Sidney betrayed her? Of course he did! Regina, you’ve screwed the man over one too many times and he found an out and took it).

Eventually, Regina did take Emma’s olive branch and I hope this one sticks. Here’s the thing: I don’t think these two women should be friends. I know it sounds harsh and goes against the show’s theme of hope and forgiveness, but I don’t think it’s necessary. It’s one thing to let go of baggage and anger – that needs to happen, mainly on Regina’s side since Emma has already done so. But I don’t need them to have coffee dates or talk about boys. I need them to be mature so they can parent their son together and make his life easier and they should work together and pool their magic to keep the town and their loved ones safe when there’s a new threat. That’s all I want from this relationship – cordial coexistence.

While Regina’s growth is difficult to spot at times, Emma’s continues to shine beautifully. After reaching out to Regina, Emma headed back to the sheriff’s station and her time with Lily and the decision she made to walk away was still on her mind. Hook found her and offered her a drink and then asked her what was wrong. This is nothing new for them – he’s been reading her moods since they climbed the beanstalk in season two. But now Emma doesn’t resist as hard when he asks her to let him in – she showed him the box of her childhood things and when he asked to look inside so he could get to know another part of her, she agreed.

This was a huge step for Emma – she let another one of the walls surrounding her heart crumble away and allowed him to see her painful past, not only the mementos she kept in the box, but the emotions the memories brought to the surface. As always, Jennifer Morrison and Colin O’Donoghue demonstrated how perfectly in sync they are as she kept her face controlled, letting the audience see Emma trying to hold everything in while he gave her a gentle smile and carefully and respectfully looked at what she’d kept. His patience allowed her to let her guard down and Morrison relaxed just enough of the tension she carried in her shoulders for viewers to see how much Emma trusted him in that moment.

Emma found her video camera (and naturally it was keyed up to the Emma and Lily part) and explained to Hook that she’d been thinking about her friend and hadn’t watched it since they made the video. Again, he understood this was a big deal for her to share this and let him in and he took her hand and let her set the pace. Emma accepted the comfort he offered and snuggled closer as they watched the footage – it was a beautiful, quiet moment between two people who have always been able to communicate without words…..

#OnceUponATime 4×05 Review
(by a huge Regina fan) @jollychan4 @ScottNimerfro @AdamHorowitzLA http://t.co/H1waIAVOLB pic.twitter.com/sKtxNu95vw

— Ana (@tasoula_k) October 27, 2014

[lady]

ok- I’m realy annoyed. I had have enough of Hook hate all over  the forums. Thought about posting in other threads- but whats the point- hook is always the one to blame- for everything. And once is going downhill because of him, blablabla.  I’ve came to this forum becouse I’ve read greate disscusions here and I was hoping to partake in them, but now….I don’t know anymore…

And there is this in the topi of CS being “forced” and not planned from the beggining: http://boyfriendhook.tumblr.com/post/74692828627/captain-swan-is-she-going-to-have-a-love-interest

If someone could find the actual link to the actual interview in may 2012, I would appreciate it. I vaguely rember it, becous I’ve had this conversation with my husband back then. I was like: what is with the lack of love interest for a main character  in a TV show about love and fairytales? So he googled it, and I remember I wasn’t convinced, becouse of”villain”. Then he had told me that Hook will be a new character. And I was like:” What?  I hate Peter Pan”.

The irony is I love that “villian’s” love story now.

 

[surayya]

Excuse the pretty overload- I’m frankly pi$$ed off right now & if I dont look at pretties, I’ll pop my top >:(

 

 

    
    
    

Then & Now

https://www.tumblr.com/dream-site/101204637164

 

        

a bit hung up on that fiancé

http://yearning-looks-and-doey-eyes.tumblr.com/post/101233066584/a-bit-hung-up-on-that-fiance-x

Something so awesome about Emma’s arc this season, besides the beautiful growth she has shown and how much more open and vulnerable she is willing to be, is the fact that for the first time in her life, she’s accepted that she needs to live rather than survive, and from that has come her finally being able to make her own choices about her life instead of having things decided for her by others, which has been happening for her whole life. She finally is able to make active decisions instead of someone else choosing for her or feeling like she can’t do things because she needs to protect herself.

And what choices does she make?

(just to name a couple).

A lot of voices have a lot of things to say about Captain Swan, despite Hook clearly stating that Emma’s decision about their relationship is just as important as his.

But these are the choices she made. Newly healing from the issues in her past, she chooses that what she wants to do with her time is go out with Killian, become intimate with Killian, let Killian inside her walls. How she plans to live is to explore her relationship with Killian, to be open to the casual intimacy we saw in this week’s episode, and most importantly, to share with him a part of her that has been closed off to nearly everyone else for her entire life.

Just as I wrote about here, Emma wants someone to share her life with. She wants the intimacy they have or she’d still be pushing him away. Every time they have ever kissed, Emma had a choice, and she chose to kiss him instead of walk away or tell him no like she did with Graham. She smiles as he kisses her cheek, smiles when she talks about how well their date went.

Emma is happy, and it’s because for once, she’s finally in control of her own life and making her own choices, and that includes her relationship with Killian. She’s happy because, for once, she trusts someone and feels she can lean on them when she wants to (not that she needs someone, but it’s nice to have someone). And I never want happy Emma to go away. Ever.

http://captainhand.tumblr.com/post/101210085712/something-so-awesome-about-emmas-arc-this-season

[lady]

surayya Im with you on that- that’ s why I’ve been searching for that intrerview.- to  calm down my nerws

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