The Captain Swan thread!

[surayya]

UGH! Cats decided to use the laptop as some sort of kitty super highway- they keep deleting & altering my posts so I’m gonna quit for the night/day- since it’s 1:30am here! Holy smoke monsters!

I blame tumblr- I have never been a fan of fanfic- but tumblr is ruining my life with the stuff- UGH!

[surayya]

OK- last post for the night/day- whatever….

For @Sarah_TN latest Colin on set info…
OOctober 30, 2014 – ouat filming at cecil green park house
Filming took place at UBC’s Cecil Green Park House.
As per JMo’s Instagram photo, they were filming 4.11
I left before filming was complete, so I didn’t get to say hi to any of the cast, but JMo, Josh, Ginny, Jared, Colin, Bobby, Georgina, Scott, and Elizabeth L. were on set sometime during the day.
I overheard that Bobby and Colin had a scene together, but that’s all hearsay and unconfirmed.
Scenes were mostly interiors, with one night time exterior scene.
Emma’s bug was on set, presumably for the exterior scene.
http://youwillgofar.tumblr.com/post/101397369149/october-30-2014-ouat-filming-at-cecil-green-park

[obisgirl]

Thats why I’m wondering- how do you guys think Emma will find out about Hook’s deal with Rumple? How will she react. Let’s play CSeers. After last episode I’m not sure. Emma seems to be reacting different towards people who lie to her/ not tell her the truth right away- Regina example. I see it as a possible setting for her future reaction to Hooks dealings with Rumple and I am honestly a little lost here. Will she go all angsty on him or not?

I just watched the new sneak peek for this Sunday’s episode where Belle desperately wants Rumple to come with her and confront the Snow Queen.  Based on that sneak peek, (which if it’s just her and Rumple going after the Snow Queen and Hook’s doing something, most likely Belle will find out through the confrontation that the dagger she has is not the real one.  Therefore, any of the fallout, will be primarily between Rumple and Belle.

I would love it if Hook comes clean to Emma before the dagger reveal but he might not for fear Rumple could hurt Emma.  I know a lot of SF fans are seeing Hook lying to Emma about the dagger as something that’ll cause their break-up, but I don’t think it will.  I think Emma will understand that Hook did not have any malicious intent behind it and the only one who’s most at fault is Rumple.  If Emma’s angry, I think that’ll be a natural reaction but I don’t think she’d leave him over it.

Belle might leave Rumple though once the truth comes to light though and she would be within her right to, I think.  I think I expect a bigger fallout between Rumple and Belle over the dagger than Hook and Emma.  Just because this isn’t the first time Rumple’s lied to Belle or twisted the truth to suit his needs, except this time, Rumple used Belle as his alibi for murder. He said he trusted her and yet, refused to give her his actual dagger and decided to go rogue and keep it from her. To me, that’s a bigger crime than Hook’s. I have so many issues with Rumple at this point and it’s only going to get worse as the first half goes along.

[Bo-Peeps]

Good reading, surayya, thanks for bringing it!

I have a shorter “meta” ( but not nearly as detailed, sensitive and thought out!)

(same warning for pro-Neal lurkers. One woman’s opinion and it isn’t going to change):

Neal was a narcissist slug.  The whole process of Tallahassee was to contrast two males and what they personally represented to Emma’s life.  Dullard Neal represented pain, disloyalty, disappointment, disrespect…and decidedly bad form. He portrayed all those qualities to Emma quite proficiently. Hook, no.

Actually comparing Neal to Hook, all things considered, is an insult to Hook. There is, in my mind, no reason to defend Hook in regard to anything Neal -related.

And I haven’t got a clue about the Emma reaction to the obtuse “VHS” tape blackmail angle. It is hopefully a somewhat lame set up for some emotional Emma saving Hook or Hook defeating Rumple adventures. They are in set-up mode for some potentially interesting plot twists, so I will just linger in the land of void while it unfolds!

They have very sensually deepened the relationship with our entwined-hand-hugging lovers.  It just begs for new, tumultuous obstacles for CS to overcome. With the introduction of the Snow Queen AND the Wizard Hat they’ve given us several possible life threatening, hiatus spanning scenarios  to feed our angst hunger 🙂

***Always in search of a good flock***

[obisgirl]

The way I think of Tallahassee then and now, is still the same. The purpose of the flashback was not show us, Neal as a potential love interest for Emma in the present but to show us what went wrong in that past relationship, how the fault affects her in the present and why a future with Neal now if they were reunited (which they were later) probably was not in the cards. But also to show us the contrast of these two different men.

There’s Hook, who’s loyal, honest (mostly) and in most respects, quite the opposite of Neal. Basically, Hook was introduced to show us the type of man Emma needs now; someone who loves her unconditionally, puts her first above everything else, values her strengths and her person (there’s another word I was trying to think of here). Hook does all these things and more for Emma, whereas Neal for the most part of season two, behaved the opposite with Emma.

We’ve heard and seen that true loves can’t move on from each other.

Emma closed herself off to love, clinging to that past she had with Neal and meanwhile, he met someone new and moved on with his life; when the implication was when he asked for the postcard from August was that he would drop whatever he’s doing and go after Emma with the intention of reuniting with her. Except that’s not what happened. And that was something Emma was aware of after reuniting with Neal in Manhattan, that Neal knew about the curse and didn’t come back for her.  How do you think that made Emma feel that the one person she loved didn’t come back for her when it mattered? It hurt. It’s like JMo said, it made her question his feelings for her.

And however you look at the Echo Caves scene, the way we see it generally is that Emma wanted to move on from Neal. How else are you supposed to interpret Emma wishing that Neal was dead?

I don’t think Emma’s ever questioned Hook’s feelings for her because he’s always been upfront about his feeling about her. He’s not afraid to show her how he feels and flirted with her every chance he got in 3B.  And that’s what Emma needs, constant reassurance that Hook’s feelings are never going to change and hopefully, with time, she’ll realize that she is safe with emotionally and doesn’t have to afraid to hide herself from him.  I think this is something that Emma is still learning.  

Her sharing the box with him in last week’s episode, all of those items represented a part of her childhood, some good and some bad.  She could have refused to show him but she chose to let him see that part of her that likely very few have seen.  It’s a small scene but it has huge implications about Emma growing as a person and learning to trust him with parts of her that she still hides.  

[Epona_610]

@POM That GIFset is hilarious! I’m pretty sure that would be their reaction to seeing that movie…

And I haven’t got a clue about the Emma reaction to the obtuse “VHS” tape blackmail angle. It is hopefully a somewhat lame set up for some emotional Emma saving Hook or Hook defeating Rumple adventures. 

I actually have quite a lot to say about “The Apprentice” since I missed most of that discussion, but right now I’m on my iPad so I don’t want to get too into it yet.

But regarding the VHS tape–am I the only one who saw him alter the tape and right away thought that when that comes to light, along with the inevitable discovery that Belle has a fake dagger, Emma (or someone) will put two and two together and figure out that he’s the one who killed Zelena?

[PriceofMagic]

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But regarding the VHS tape–am I the only one who saw him alter the tape and right away thought that when that comes to light, along with the inevitable discovery that Belle has a fake dagger, Emma (or someone) will put two and two together and figure out that he’s the one who killed Zelena?

I don’t think Rumple will suffer any retribution for Zelena’s death. I hope he doesn’t because if he does then that makes the “heroes” very hypocritical that they pardon Regina after all her bad deeds yet punish Rumple for killing a woman who would’ve happily have caused several of them to cease to exist. It was not Regina’s place to decide to give Zelena a second chance and let her run free. Regina was such a hypocrite in Kansas, you just know if it had been Henry that died that Regina would’ve been a lot less forgiving of Zelena.

I wonder if Rumple is actually bluffing about the tape. We know he can magically change CCTV, but we didn’t see any footage of the Hook tape to prove that it wasn’t just a blank tape. How annoyed would Hook be if his one reason for keeping quiet didn’t actually exist. Consider this:

If Hook does crack and tell Emma, and Emma demands to see the tape, the fact that Hook can say Rumple did something to the tape to make it look like Hook acted alone at least casts enough doubt on Rumple for certain other events such as Zelena’s death to be looked into more closely which would just cast unnecessary hassle for Rumple.

If Rumple is all “what tape?”, even if Hook points out the tape to Emma and Emma demands to see it, and Rumple hands it over and Hook says how Rumple messed with it to make it look like Hook acted alone, if the tape is actually something like a nature documentary or something like that, then Rumple is in the clear. Even if Hook and Emma turned over Rumple’s shop/home/other hiding places, a tape that never existed can never be found.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[obisgirl]

I don’t think Rumple will suffer any retribution for Zelena’s death.

I would be angry if Rumple didn’t suffer any kind of consequence for Zelena’s death and the issue with the dagger.  When you murder someone, regardless if it was warranted or not, there’s always consequences for the murderer. I get why Rumple did it, to avenge his son but murder is not something Neal would have approved of. He would be horrified of his papa slipping back into his old ways to avenge him.

I wonder if Rumple is actually bluffing about the tape. We know he can magically change CCTV, but we didn’t see any footage of the Hook tape to prove that it wasn’t just a blank tape. How annoyed would Hook be if his one reason for keeping quiet didn’t actually exist. 

I wonder about that too.  It wouldn’t surprise me if the tape Rumple claims to have over Hook is another bluff, or Rumple messing with Hook’s head because he knows he can. Rumple played many mind games with Hook in that episode, so if the tape turned out to be a fake, it wouldn’t surprise me.

[Epona_610]

I don’t think Rumple will suffer any retribution for Zelena’s death. I hope he doesn’t because if he does then that makes the “heroes” very hypocritical that they pardon Regina after all her bad deeds yet punish Rumple for killing a woman who would’ve happily have caused several of them to cease to exist. It was not Regina’s place to decide to give Zelena a second chance and let her run free. Regina was such a hypocrite in Kansas, you just know if it had been Henry that died that Regina would’ve been a lot less forgiving of Zelena.

Hmm. I’m very conflicted about that–on the one hand, murder never seems to be punished, either in Storybrooke or the EF, so why should Rumple be any different? (And if he weren’t, I’d much rather see him brought to justice for Milah’s entirely unjustified murder.) And his desire to kill Zelena was quite understandable. I mean not only did she (indirectly) kill his son, but she kept him in a cage under her complete control and used and humiliated him. However, I DO have a problem with his using Belle as an unwitting alibi. Not cool.

And I’m SO with you in hating Regina’s self-righteous hypocrisy in and since that episode. Ugh. I mean we all know that I hate Regina, so that’s not exactly a surprise, haha. But she was just so smug when she proclaimed that “heroes don’t kill”. And seriously, I can make absolutely NO sense of anyone’s attitude toward Regina. I can only hope that they plan to address it at some point, but I’m 99% sure they won’t. But yeah, Regina clearly gets her own special set of rules and “ethics”, so I wouldn’t try to apply anyone’s reaction to her horrendous crimes to their reaction to anyone else’s. There’s literally no logic behind how people interact with her (none on screen anyway).

I wonder if Rumple is actually bluffing about the tape. We know he can magically change CCTV, but we didn’t see any footage of the Hook tape to prove that it wasn’t just a blank tape. How annoyed would Hook be if his one reason for keeping quiet didn’t actually exist. Consider this:

If Hook does crack and tell Emma, and Emma demands to see the tape, the fact that Hook can say Rumple did something to the tape to make it look like Hook acted alone at least casts enough doubt on Rumple for certain other events such as Zelena’s death to be looked into more closely which would just cast unnecessary hassle for Rumple.

If Rumple is all “what tape?”, even if Hook points out the tape to Emma and Emma demands to see it, and Rumple hands it over and Hook says how Rumple messed with it to make it look like Hook acted alone, if the tape is actually something like a nature documentary or something like that, then Rumple is in the clear. Even if Hook and Emma turned over Rumple’s shop/home/other hiding places, a tape that never existed can never be found.

I could see that being the case. I was thinking during that scene that Hook really should’ve asked to see the tape instead of just accepting what Rumple said. Hopefully Emma’s superpower would come into play though–but that only seems to work when it’s convenient for the plot, lol.

[Epona_610]

So the Hot Seat questions just came out…of particular interest to this thread would be this one:

Will Emma and Hook (Colin O’Donoghue) take their relationship to the next level this season?
Horowitz: If by next level you mean going from Netflix to Hulu Plus, possibly.
Kitsis: Yes

Iiiiinteresting.

Of particular interest to me (Spoilered out both for possible spoilers and for those who are sick of my grumbling about Regina, for which I apologize):

Will Emma ever confront Regina (Lana Parrilla) for killing Graham (Jamie Dornan)?
Horowitz: First of all, she doesn’t know that Regina killed Graham. If you look back at season one, before Emma believed, when she talks to Henry (Jared Gilmore) about the aftermath of Graham’s death, she says what the autopsy was, which was an aneurysm. She still believes that.
Kitsis: She believed it at the time, and then things have happened.
Horowitz: She actually doesn’t know that Regina was behind it. That’s never been something that has come up. If it did, I’m sure she would take issue with it.

I’m glad they mentioned it, but that was a highly unsatisfactory answer. It sounds like Emma is going to remain in the dark and this murder will just be swept under the rug like all of Regina’s many crimes. Ugh.

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