The Captain Swan thread!

[surayya]

The way I think of Tallahassee then and now, is still the same. The purpose of the flashback was not show us, Neal as a potential love interest for Emma in the present but to show us what went wrong in that past relationship, how the fault affects her in the present and why a future with Neal now if they were reunited (which they were later) probably was not in the cards. But also to show us the contrast of these two different men.

There’s Hook, who’s loyal, honest (mostly) and in most respects, quite the opposite of Neal. Basically, Hook was introduced to show us the type of man Emma needs now; someone who loves her unconditionally, puts her first above everything else, values her strengths and her person (there’s another word I was trying to think of here). Hook does all these things and more for Emma, whereas Neal for the most part of season two, behaved the opposite with Emma.

We’ve heard and seen that true loves can’t move on from each other.

Emma closed herself off to love, clinging to that past she had with Neal and meanwhile, he met someone new and moved on with his life; when the implication was when he asked for the postcard from August was that he would drop whatever he’s doing and go after Emma with the intention of reuniting with her. Except that’s not what happened. And that was something Emma was aware of after reuniting with Neal in Manhattan, that Neal knew about the curse and didn’t come back for her. How do you think that made Emma feel that the one person she loved didn’t come back for her when it mattered? It hurt. It’s like JMo said, it made her question his feelings for her.

And however you look at the Echo Caves scene, the way we see it generally is that Emma wanted to move on from Neal. How else are you supposed to interpret Emma wishing that Neal was dead?

I don’t think Emma’s ever questioned Hook’s feelings for her because he’s always been upfront about his feeling about her. He’s not afraid to show her how he feels and flirted with her every chance he got in 3B. And that’s what Emma needs, constant reassurance that Hook’s feelings are never going to change and hopefully, with time, she’ll realize that she is safe with emotionally and doesn’t have to afraid to hide herself from him. I think this is something that Emma is still learning.

Her sharing the box with him in last week’s episode, all of those items represented a part of her childhood, some good and some bad. She could have refused to show him but she chose to let him see that part of her that likely very few have seen. It’s a small scene but it has huge implications about Emma growing as a person and learning to trust him with parts of her that she still hides.

Totally agree with ALL of this.

[surayya]

@POM That GIFset is hilarious! I’m pretty sure that would be their reaction to seeing that movie…

Bo-Peeps wrote:

And I haven’t got a clue about the Emma reaction to the obtuse “VHS” tape blackmail angle. It is hopefully a somewhat lame set up for some emotional Emma saving Hook or Hook defeating Rumple adventures.

I actually have quite a lot to say about “The Apprentice” since I missed most of that discussion, but right now I’m on my iPad so I don’t want to get too into it yet.

But regarding the VHS tape–am I the only one who saw him alter the tape and right away thought that when that comes to light, along with the inevitable discovery that Belle has a fake dagger, Emma (or someone) will put two and two together and figure out that he’s the one who killed Zelena?

Cant wait to hear your thoughts on it 🙂
I think so in an ideal world, but for the sake of plot I doubt they’ll go there- other than maybe a mention by adding to Belle’s list ‘of you betrayed me’.

[surayya]

Epona_610 wrote:

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But regarding the VHS tape–am I the only one who saw him alter the tape and right away thought that when that comes to light, along with the inevitable discovery that Belle has a fake dagger, Emma (or someone) will put two and two together and figure out that he’s the one who killed Zelena?

I don’t think Rumple will suffer any retribution for Zelena’s death. I hope he doesn’t because if he does then that makes the “heroes” very hypocritical that they pardon Regina after all her bad deeds yet punish Rumple for killing a woman who would’ve happily have caused several of them to cease to exist. It was not Regina’s place to decide to give Zelena a second chance and let her run free. Regina was such a hypocrite in Kansas, you just know if it had been Henry that died that Regina would’ve been a lot less forgiving of Zelena.

I wonder if Rumple is actually bluffing about the tape. We know he can magically change CCTV, but we didn’t see any footage of the Hook tape to prove that it wasn’t just a blank tape. How annoyed would Hook be if his one reason for keeping quiet didn’t actually exist. Consider this:

If Hook does crack and tell Emma, and Emma demands to see the tape, the fact that Hook can say Rumple did something to the tape to make it look like Hook acted alone at least casts enough doubt on Rumple for certain other events such as Zelena’s death to be looked into more closely which would just cast unnecessary hassle for Rumple.

If Rumple is all “what tape?”, even if Hook points out the tape to Emma and Emma demands to see it, and Rumple hands it over and Hook says how Rumple messed with it to make it look like Hook acted alone, if the tape is actually something like a nature documentary or something like that, then Rumple is in the clear. Even if Hook and Emma turned over Rumple’s shop/home/other hiding places, a tape that never existed can never be found.

Good points & I like your thinking here- I thought this could be the case when I 1st watched the episode (If I was Hook I would have insisted on viewing the supposed evidence) & lets face it- why would someone randomly be filming their living room?!- it doesnt make any sense.
What makes sense to me is that Rumple is just playing mind games with Killian- he hates Killian & would love to see him dead, but he cant do that & get away with it, so he’s going to toy with Killian & make him miserable instead, which is totally with-in his character atm.

[surayya]

Epona_610
Participant
So the Hot Seat questions just came out…of particular interest to this thread would be this one:
Will Emma and Hook (Colin O’Donoghue) take their relationship to the next level this season?
Horowitz: If by next level you mean going from Netflix to Hulu Plus, possibly.
Kitsis: Yes

Iiiiinteresting.

Wooooooow, I didnt expect them to just come out & say ‘yes’ lol. Not really surprising though, I think most of us are kind of expecting either TLK or “I Love Yous” by the end of the season 😉

Well it will be interesting to see how Charming handles Emma & Killian’s grinding coffee lol. I just hope where ever Emma’s new place is, it’s not with-in sight of her parents … you know in case of flickering lights or something similar bringing them running lol 😛

[Bo-Peeps]

I wasn’t at all conflicted about Zelena. I was glad Rumple sent her to the scenery chewing after-world of all things biliously green. I mean, the witch caused  his son to make thoughtless moves that essentially signed his own death warrant, AND, she pointedly almost stepped right on Neal’s head when he lay dead on the ground. She had to go and Rumple HAD to do it.

And really, Regina. Regina Regina.  There isn’t much she could have done to Rumple anyway if it was totally out in the open that he offed her half sister.  That whole Regina being noble routine was…odd…even though at the time it supported her assumed redemption journey. The uneven handling of power balance between Regina and Rumple is iffy enough as it is without worrying about where Zelena-guilt would fit in, so….I don’t think about it! Rumple and Regina have so much to pay for already,  Zelena wasn’t much of a blip on the *she deserved to live* screen. Compared to the consequences of killing Neal, Zelena didn’t mean squat.

Regina and Rumple are in such a deep mess of pay-backs/pay forwards/who pays for what that there is no definitive answer for either of them.

Interesting commentary on Graham. That came and went so fast in the scheme of things I didn’t totally grasp that Emma might not know of Regina’s culpability. But even so,  in the present scenario, Emma knew firsthand that Regina as Evil Queen had planned on killing Marian and she saw with her own eyes Snow being devoured by Regina flames. How in all things with half a brain Emma could overlook those truths and want to be Regina’s…genuine friend….now… Boggles the mind.

So I don’t think about it. (grin) The suspension of disbelief has to stay suspended for me to enjoy all the rest of the  frolic, fantasy and fractured tales.

The VHS could very well be a tie-in to *backward* explaining about Rumples duplicity about Zelena’s death, but in truth, does anyone really CARE if  Zelena was murdered? But, the mind control fight between Hook and Rumple, even with dorky wth moments, is irresistible.

I must say though, the new Sneak Peek about Belle is very intriguing. If they get brave, Rumple could be facing a crap load of trouble, and I would kind of enjoy that coming from Belle, actually.

We’ll see where it goes in two nights!

***Always in search of a good flock***

[ellemo78]

Nothing will come from Rumple’s alteration of the security tape showing Zelena’s death. The people who saw it (Emma wasn’t there) all agreed that Zelena offed herself, there’s no reason to suspect Rumple as Belle supposedly had the dagger. It won’t come up again. If anyone would call Rumple out on it, it might be Belle, not Emma.

I have a theory that Hook has already told Emma off-screen about his run-in with Rumple. Based on the fact that Hook is terrible at keeping things from her. Even though her superpower may not be 100%, she pretty much always sees through Hook’s lies. The only time she didn’t was at the end of The Jolly Roger, but then I don’t think he full on lied to her, there was a lot of half-truths and mixed up stories going on there, so for her to detect a straight out lie would be difficult. Anyway, I digress. Compared to the last time Hook kept important information from her, he was sullen and moody for days. Emma noticed at least twice his change in mood. But during the last episode, he was all jovial and flirty, like there was nothing weighing him down. Also compare his mood when he first got to the station after the Rumple magic-sucking hat thing, he was quiet and upset, also pretty wary of Will who could say who punched him at anytime. The first visit to the sheriff station in the last ep Hook didn’t even care that Will was there and only engaged when Will said the thing about ‘getting in the with son’. Even then it wasn’t a worried Hook that spoke to Will, it was an annoyed Hook and annoyed for good reason, cos we obviously know Hook likes Henry (and wants to do good by him for Bae).

However with a couple spoilers I’ve read, all that could be redundant esp in regards to Rumple offering to get rid of Emma’s magic and Hook trying to stop that, that would assume Emma doesn’t know about the hat Hook perhaps was just happy b/c he’s with Emma now. I don’t know. I like to think he told her and they’re going to keep an eye on Rumple under the pretense of Hook working for him.

If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness

[Epona_610]

Nothing will come from Rumple’s alteration of the security tape showing Zelena’s death. The people who saw it (Emma wasn’t there) all agreed that Zelena offed herself, there’s no reason to suspect Rumple as Belle supposedly had the dagger. It won’t come up again. If anyone would call Rumple out on it, it might be Belle, not Emma.

Aha, I forgot that Emma wasn’t there when they watched the tape! Of course–she was off with Hook trying to talk her into staying in Storybrooke. Thanks for pointing that out; it does poke a bit of a hole in that theory, lol. I’d be disappointed if it weren’t addressed somehow, but then again that wouldn’t be the first time they didn’t follow through on something like that, not by a LONG shot…

Compared to the last time Hook kept important information from her, he was sullen and moody for days. Emma noticed at least twice his change in mood. But during the last episode, he was all jovial and flirty, like there was nothing weighing him down. Also compare his mood when he first got to the station after the Rumple magic-sucking hat thing, he was quiet and upset, also pretty wary of Will who could say who punched him at anytime. The first visit to the sheriff station in the last ep Hook didn’t even care that Will was there and only engaged when Will said the thing about ‘getting in the with son’. Even then it wasn’t a worried Hook that spoke to Will, it was an annoyed Hook and annoyed for good reason, cos we obviously know Hook likes Henry (and wants to do good by him for Bae).

However with a couple spoilers I’ve read, all that could be redundant esp in regards to Rumple offering to get rid of Emma’s magic and Hook trying to stop that, that would assume Emma doesn’t know about the hat Hook perhaps was just happy b/c he’s with Emma now. I don’t know. I like to think he told her and they’re going to keep an eye on Rumple under the pretense of Hook working for him.

Ooh, I like to think that too! We see Killian just going around “working” for Gold and then we find out later that he had that arrangement with Emma all along. I very much doubt that’ll be the case though, since like you said it looks like Hook will have to rush in to tell Emma what the hat really does before she goes through with having Rumple remove her magic. But yeah I definitely did think it was weird that he wasn’t acting anything like he was when dealing with the cursed-lips fiasco.

And @Bo-Peeps, yeah I’m afraid “don’t think about it” might be the only way I can continue to watch the show and enjoy the good parts…this past episode really dampened my enthusiasm for the show; I can only hope that this week’s episode at least partially restores it. I at least think I’ll enjoy seeing some of Belle’s pre-Rumple backstory and maybe seeing her learn about the dagger? Although based on some other spoilers I wonder if that might happen a little later since it looks like she’s using the dagger in front of him so he can just pretend to follow through.

[surayya]

Pretty time …

LOVE this-

“The Captain and The Swan”

For centuries, captains of the sea, ancient mariners, have guided their ships in the dark of night, using the stars. The night sky has many constellations, named centuries ago and passed down from one generation of sailor to another. Among those stars and ancient constellations is one called Cygnus, The Swan.

http://zodabel.tumblr.com/post/63025953296/the-captain-and-the-swan-for-centuries

Killian looking at Emma just before embracing her: such love, concern, and a little sadness for seeing her like that.

https://www.tumblr.com/naiariddle/101356189939/killian-looking-at-emma-just-before-embracing-her

 

    

Captain Swan + anger
http://youseetherealme.tumblr.com/post/101436876748/captain-swan-anger

 

http://saviorspirate.tumblr.com/post/101276081063

 

    
    
    

http://colinodonorgasm.tumblr.com/post/101090555194/killian-jones-in-405-breaking-glass

 

 

    

http://youseetherealme.tumblr.com/post/101050307848

 

Can we talk about how happy Emma must have been to find her parents waiting up for after the date?
WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT FOR ALL OF ETERNITY.
MORE CHARMING FAMILY MOMENTS PLEASE.
I honestly don’t know which is better, Emma totally fangirling to herself against the door, Snow’s excited face, Charming’s absolute 100% doneness or Emma’s smile when she sees them. This is pure gold.
http://keepcalmwearetimeless.tumblr.com/

http://cryinodonoghue.tumblr.com/post/47243570025/captain-swan-a-love-story

[surayya]

both reaching a point where there is no turning back. something was missing, not anymore.
http://keepcalmwearetimeless.tumblr.com/post/101450165545/swanspirate-both-reaching-a-point-where-there

 

  

http://gentlesleaze.tumblr.com/post/101385498113

 

4 kisses over 5eps- they really are making a statement arent they lol 😉

 

          

I would go to the end of the world for her…or time – I can’t lose you too
http://sheriffswan.tumblr.com/post/100907468414/i-would-go-to-the-end-of-the-world-for-her-or-time

 

  

http://wearemorethanourmistakes.tumblr.com/post/101375441374/then-ill-see-your-face-i-know-im-finally

 

http://miladyswan.tumblr.com/post/101401041445

 

    

3×01 vs 4×05: Emma’s reaction to Hook showing up
http://gentlesleaze.tumblr.com/post/101393951713/3×01-vs-4×05-emmas-reaction-to-hook-showing-up

[surayya]

    

http://chanoeys.tumblr.com/post/101302405326/dont-be-afraid-to-give-your-heart-to-me-my-heart

 

LMAO!!!! gossip grumpy speaks bug

http://keepcalmwearetimeless.tumblr.com/post/97968601447/lmao-gossip-grumpy-speaks-bug-from-this-video

 

https://www.tumblr.com/anythingyouhold/100855150005/i-cant-lose-you-too

 

#tell me again how he doesn’t love her #tell me again how she wants nothing to do with him #tell me again how they represent anything other than moving beyond the past and loving unconditionally #tell me again #and i will call you a liar
http://yearning-looks-and-doey-eyes.tumblr.com/post/101175096590/tell-me-again-how-he-doesnt-love-her-tell-me

      

https://www.tumblr.com/xosweetgirl18ox/101381893255

 

Captain Swan in the first four episodes of Season 4… we’re gonna die this season.

https://www.tumblr.com/killiansdevotedheart/100771099409

 

28/10/12 – 28/10/14 H A P P Y c a p t a i n s w a n A N N I V E R S A R Y

https://www.tumblr.com/tinypixy/101202199747/28-10-12-28-10-14-h-a-p-p-y-c-a-p-t-a-i-n-s-w

 

Lol- I’m totally guilty of this too 😉

“I’ve re watched all the episodes so far in season 4 more times I would like to admit. And sometimes I will watch them just to skip to see all the Emma and Hook moments.”
http://onceuponatime-confessions.tumblr.com/post/101470176956/ive-re-watched-all-the-episodes-so-far-in-season

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