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@obisgirl wrote:
I would like to make a CS fanfic recommendation. I know, I have lots of cs fanfic master lists but seriously, you all need to read Straight to Youon fanfiction.net.
It is a heart-breaking, sad, story with a beautiful happy ending. I don’t want to spoil it but it is an amazing journey from beginning to end. There’s not one chapter I disliked. Everything is seriously perfect.
You’ll probably need a box full of kleenex by your side while you read 😥 😥 but it is seriously, 😥 😥 just read it.
Obis, I wasn’t sure how many times I’d get my heart broken in this one, but it was a great fanfic. My only small tiny concrit was that it dragged a bit, but she still kept it fresh each chapter. It was a beautiful love story.
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."
Hi Fellow CS shipmates *waves shyly*
I’m a die-hard CS shipper and I’ve been reading through this entire thread..I actually read every comment and may I say what an incredibly together, talented, intelligent bunch you all are! Am glad to be on board the same ship as you all ..Umm.. I have nothing to add right now to what has already been discussed, dissected and analyzed to death with regard to ST Vs CS, just that I AGREE!!! 🙂 and nothing and no amount of hatred will stop me from shipping CS. They are meant to be monumentally EPIC and I have a feeling we’re in for one of the greatest TV love stories of all time!
@Jasminegirl84 wrote:
@obisgirl wrote:
I would like to make a CS fanfic recommendation. I know, I have lots of cs fanfic master lists but seriously, you all need to read Straight to Youon fanfiction.net.
It is a heart-breaking, sad, story with a beautiful happy ending. I don’t want to spoil it but it is an amazing journey from beginning to end. There’s not one chapter I disliked. Everything is seriously perfect.
You’ll probably need a box full of kleenex by your side while you read 😥 😥 but it is seriously, 😥 😥 just read it.
Obis, I wasn’t sure how many times I’d get my heart broken in this one, but it was a great fanfic. My only small tiny concrit was that it dragged a bit, but she still kept it fresh each chapter. It was a beautiful love story.
I loved it. The epilogue is coming up today. 😀 It was very sad to read, very painful at times, but it was good.
@Polythenepam wrote:
Hi Fellow CS shipmates *waves shyly*
I’m a die-hard CS shipper and I’ve been reading through this entire thread..I actually read every comment and may I say what an incredibly together, talented, intelligent bunch you all are! Am glad to be on board the same ship as you all ..Umm.. I have nothing to add right now to what has already been discussed, dissected and analyzed to death with regard to ST Vs CS, just that I AGREE!!! 🙂 and nothing and no amount of hatred will stop me from shipping CS. They are meant to be monumentally EPIC and I have a feeling we’re in for one of the greatest TV love stories of all time!
Hi poly!!!! *waves back! Wow, you read through each comment??? That’s dedication, my friend. I remember you saying you would, and I am nothing short of impressed! I tip my Jefferson hat off to you 😆
Thanks for the awesome compliments! I am sure you can contribute a lot to our discussions too. And, don’t worry about repeating stuff. We’re a passionate bunch, so we don’t mind reminders of theories or agreements/disagreements of what we have stated earlier. Pipe in whenever you want to. Don’t be shy 😀
So, I am wondering what your take is on predictions of where CS will go in S3. Do you think there will be a love triangle with Neal? Do you think CS will even happen? What would you like to happen? Love to hear your thoughts.
@obisgirl wrote:
I loved it. The epilogue is coming up today. 😀 It was very sad to read, very painful at times, but it was good.
I’m excited!!!!!!! The last chappie was great, so I am sure the epilogue will be fantastic.
Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."
I think these are official character promotional posters for season 3.
but can we talk about the fact that Emma’s character poster is right next to Captain Hook? and Neal’s no where to be found? 😆
Those are not S3 character promo posters. All of those, except Hook’s, are from the first season. Hook’s is fan-made.
Promo pictures won’t even be taken until some time after July. Actors are on hiatus right now and that includes promotional material… which will involve both Neal and Hook since both are now regulars at the beginning of the season.
Yeah those all look like S1 stuff. I expect first up in July will be photo shoots and then jump back into filming. When did the promo shots come out last year? (Those were amazing & I can’t wait to see what they do with Hook!)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
@Jasminegirl84 wrote:
Wow, you read through each comment??? That’s dedication, my friend. I remember you saying you would, and I am nothing short of impressed! I tip my Jefferson hat off to you
It did take me a while seeing as it is the longest thread on this forum 🙂
@Jasminegirl84 wrote:
So, I am wondering what your take is on predictions of where CS will go in S3. Do you think there will be a love triangle with Neal? Do you think CS will even happen? What would you like to happen? Love to hear your thoughts.
Thank you, Jasmine, I’m really new at this and not very good at expressing my thoughts. But I’ll give it a go.
I actually went on a binge-watching spree with OUAT, viewing both seasons back-to-back and I really need to re-watch if I’m to make acutely observational and analytical posts. But this might do as a first impression. I love OUAT because of its multiple characters and their various shades and there is truly something in it for everyone in terms of the characters they would like or root for. For me, its been Hook this season. So I definitely want to see more Hook and a swashbuckling, sword-weilding, cunning and fearsome pirate Hook, not the bound and gagged one! I read about Colin saying he’d modeled his Hook on the Dread Pirate Roberts but this season the Hook I saw was more of “Dud” pirate Roberts! 😆
Captain Swan seems all set to happen, Colin and JMo have talked about it and A&E have hinted it as well. That said, I do not want it to be rushed. I’m not cheering yet. And I won’t till i know CS is going to be endgame. Granted, there is an undeniable attraction, mutual understanding and plenty of parallels between them. But they both have to conquer some demons before they get into a serious relationship. The writers seem to want us to believe that Emma and Neal still love each other, though the last minute declaration left me with mixed feelings. And A& E keep harping on the fact that Emma “thinks” Neal is dead 🙄 . Making it seem like Hook will be a rebound. But this goes against Emma’s character and whatever we’ve been shown so far about her. She’s not the sort to do casual. She’s guarded with her emotions. She’s still bewildered by the savior thing and the fact that she is magical.
I don’t quite buy the whole sacrifice thing with Neal. He leaves her, perhaps selflessly for the greater good to help her break the curse, but he still lets her go to jail for a crime she didn’t commit. And never tries to find her even after the curse is broken. And this from a guy who knows first hand how much abandonment by a loved one sucks. I still don’t get why or how having Neal in her life would have stopped her from breaking the curse, perhaps they’ll explain that better when they explore Emma’s backstory in S3. But I would want Emma to be with a guy who’d fight for her, fight to be with her and fight alongside her. I do see the merit of sacrifice and selflessness as essential traits for true love, but that said, to me, it just felt like Neal gave up too easy.
I do like Neal, in fact, I love the boy Bae…he was spirited and ballsy and had conviction. The adult Neal to me seems nothing like the boy Bae. I loved Hook and Bae interacting in ASOTM and it broke my heart into itsy-bitsy little pieces when Bae rejected Hook’s offer of being his family. When he said he could never change and Hook’s broken rejoinder “thank you, Bae for reminding me what I’m all about”, I was bawling aloud. (on a side note, this is entirely Colin’s fault for playing Hook so flawlessly, he makes me feel for bad boy Hook. Whoever cast him in the role is a freakin’ genius).
Emma is a strong character and I would want her guy to be someone she can trust to fight to be with her no matter what. That said, it looks like they’ve set us up for a triangle with Nealfire who also shares a past with Hook and who Hook holds a lot of affection for ( i still think he came back for Bae, although my shipper heart wants to believe he did for Emma).
Way I see it, both Hook and Emma have a lot of emotional baggage to deal with right now. Emma having lost Neal and now all caught up in finding Henry, plus having to deal with her magical ability. Hook having let go of his revenge (perhaps temporarily) finally has a chance to grieve his loss of love and the emptiness without it. He has to deal with those emotions before plunging headlong into another relationship, especially with a woman who he knows is probably grieving her loss too. So as much as I want CS to happen and I think they might in S3, I have a feeling they will probably turn to each other for comfort and companionship..and I’m totally cool with that. The sexual undercurrents will probably be there, but neither of them may act upon it. Hook will go through his redemption arc..and may likely be the Hero in Neverland since he’s been here (please please let this happen!) and knows it well..unless Rumple steals his thunder again! (sigh). .
Emma and Hook’s mutual admiration and respect and especially trust needs to be built up and NL offers plenty of opportunity to do just that on their quest for Henry. The realisation of true love has to be slow and sure, the journey will be exciting as we will see the love evolve slowly in real time, something we’ve not seen with other canon couples so far.
In all probability, I see Hook and Emma getting close, understanding and trusting each other, Hook probably falling a little in love with her, and then boom!.. Neal comes back and Emma’s all confused, Hook realises he has to back off, Henry is thrilled to have his family back again and Hook is the lone outsider once more (*sobbing loudly*. I HATE! HATE! HATE triangles! ) He chooses to walk away and Emma is torn. I think Emma’s realisation that she loves Hook has to come later.
I also get the sneaky feeling Rumple may make a deal with him to get out of the way since he wants his son’s happiness. (Rumple simply has to be involved everywhere :D).
If they are indeed building up CS to be endgame, they have to take it slowly and there could be a lot of angst, battling, denial, desperation, frustration.. between themselves and then with the others around them, before they finally come together.
Bae is always going to be important in the story as Henry’s dad and Rumple’s son, but Hook has no connection with any of the central characters except Rumple. And with the revenge plot gone, he has to form a connection with someone in order for him to have a sustained story arc and I think that person will be Emma.Since A&E have said that S3 will be like 2 seasons with a definite beginning, middle and end and they have quite a few back stories to tell and questions to answer and shuttle between EF, NL and SB while they do so, I think they maybe reunited with Neal earlier than with Henry. Neal could find his way into NL somehow, since he also has lived here and he’d want to play a part in rescuing his son from the big bad. We could maybe see some interesting dynamic between Neal and Hook and of course Emma sandwiched between them! I want to see Nealfire and Hook react to each other and their emotions play out. If Hook had indeed helped Bae escape NL, then Bae might feel differently about Hook (though we did not see any evidence of this when he suggested leaving Hook behind in NY, then again, Hook had just attacked his father, so I can understand him wanting to keep a distance)
I also want to see more back stories of Hook, how he and Bae got out of Neverland. My fangirl heart still wants to believe that Hook went back for Bae and helped him escape PP and NL. And of course how he got himself out of NL back to EF before the curse came about. S2 was so unsatisfactory in regard to Hook’s story (possibly because of Colin’s leg) and I really want him to have more screen time in S3.
Hook to me is a beloved character.. I love his cockiness, his bravado, his determination to stop at nothing, his capacity to love deeply. I want him to find his redemption and his peace of mind..most of all I want him to find happiness and acceptance, I believe he will find that with Emma. (and Henry). It’ll be interesting to see how Henry reacts to Hook too, if there is some bonding between them. Rumple took away his love and Bae his dreams of a family and Emma and Henry could be the ones to give him back both! (*more violent sobbing*)
I just hope the makers aren’t just pandering to fans when they keep dropping not-so-subtle hints about CS. I’ve seen this happen in another show where the couple I was shipping shared a kiss just to please the shipper faction and then another ship became canon… I hope, hope, hope with all of my fangirling, shipper heart that this does not happen with CS. ST to me would be playing it safe… conventional, cliched. Whereas CS would be a roller-coaster ride of emotions…exciting, thrilling, sensational and EPIC!
Sorry for the rambling..guess I did have a lot to say after all! 😆
Welcome to the club Polythenepam!
Please do not worry about rambling! I can’t ever ever criticize you for that as I am very guilty myself as I’m sure you have noticed in reading the entire way through this thread! That’s dedication!
Wow just thinking of that wave of emotion, seeing the ups and downs of the CS fandom from the very beginning on is a rollercoaster of emotions. I commend you for putting up with us long enough to get this far!
I’ll go ahead & put this disclaimer at top because now *I* have rambled but I’ve been dissecting SF for days so it’s nice to be back with my CS people! (Please don’t feel the need to respond to each and every little thing I said, I’m just overly excited to be surrounded by people who strongly believe in Hook and that he has just as much of a chance with Emma if not moreso!) I know I ramble on a bit but hopefully somewhere in here is something useful for somebody that feels the same way I do – we need them to start filming already and go to CC so we have new stuff to work with! Less than a month!
1. I agree with most of what you said and am so happy to see more on board! I’m at times torn and I get the appeal of both sides of the triangle but I love love love CS and I will be absolutely gutted if they have set up THIS much stuff just to make Emma go back to Neal. If they wanted us to root for him, they shouldn’t have put in such an awesome other choice. Likewise I was a bit annoyed that they made him look like the fall guy so that we’d have to feel sorry for him getting his heart broken because of Hook again, but with more time hopefully he will come to realize that Hook is good for Emma too and respect whatever HER choice is in the end (please be Hook!).
2. As for the comment about why Hook came back – I don’t think it’s just shipper goggles I really don’t. I think it was BOTH Emma & Bae that brought him back. To some who don’t understand the significance of the bean as a symbol of Hook & Emma, it’s just Hook tossing the bean over in his hand debating whether to use it or not until he sees the scratchmarks which remind him of Bae. But let us not forget that the bean is CS’s thing. He literally compared a bean to Emma as being magical and full of hope before it was shriveled up and he was “done with” her (yeah Hook, real convincing haha). That bean was the one he brought back to life to travel to SB with. He looked at the bean AND the scratchmarks and was likely replaying her words over and over in his head. She offered him the same thing he once offered Bae. He knows what it feels like to offer that and be turned down. He literally was being asked to have everything he wanted and for a long time, basically after Bae turned him down, that part of him was sealed off. EMMA reminded him of the person he wanted to be. Colin even said on twitter that it was both things that made him turn around. I don’t think Hook would have turned around to honor a guy he just found out was dead by helping a town full of people who hated him and had betrayed him on more than one occasion.
Emma’s speech to him and acknowledging their connection got to him. By the time he found out about Neal he had already handed her the empty pouch (which she never even THOUGHT to check, meaning she TRUSTED him, hence how upset she was and how happy she was when he came back – we saw that look on the dock. They purposely showed us her reaction even though she played it off when he got there). When he arrived he focused on HER (not that he wasn’t doing that the entire episode *thud*) and when he made the statement about needing reminding that he could care he was looking directly at her and gave it back as a sign of trust. He was showing that he was in and she accepted it from him (this time thankfully the hands brushing did not = locking someone up!). She didn’t have to give the bean back to him to use for the portal either. She handed it back over and trusted him to do the most important thing in the world: take them to NL to save her son. She could have thought “NL” and thrown the bean herself but she showed trust in him, just like he had in her.
The bean is THEIR symbol and handing it back and forth was very symbolic. Part of him coming back was remembering Bae / remembering the last time he truly let himself believe he had a chance to let go of the revenge and be happy and a part of something, but Emma played just as much of if not a bigger part in getting him to turn around.
Let’s face it: Hook can hold a grudge. Is he ever upset with Emma (when Cora isn’t around pulling the strings?) Emma has betrayed him yet he still says “Hey beautiful” and flirts with her when he’s in extreme pain the next time he sees her. Charming punched him (which by the way was basically the guys saying “I’ve punched you, you’ve punched me, we’re even”) and Hook went out of his way to stop Charming from running after the people with guns to make sure that he stayed alive – why should he care about Charming AT ALL other than that it would hurt Emma if anything happened to him.
Sure Hook has kicked the fishguy into the water so he wouldn’t die, and he made sure to give Aurora’s heart back (which he never wanted to take in the first place but got desperate because Cora wanted to kill him, especially since she knew he would chose Emma), but he was perfectly ok with the idea of Regina dying saying something along the lines of “if she wants to die for us then I say we let her” – he knew that Regina dying wouldn’t affect Emma as much but if anything happened to Charming, especially when Hook was supposed to have his back, Emma might never forgive him.
At the meeting Emma was originally ok with the plan of Regina sacrificing herself too. Hook *knew* she didn’t have a problem with that originally and it wasn’t until after Snow built her case that Emma changed her mind. That’s why he waited to ask Emma what the real reason was because he knew there was more to it (they are such open books to each other, I love it!) I also really loved this scene just for the CS feels in general (and could they have been more obvious about wanting to make sure that Charming saw Emma fighting for Hook? She JUMPED IN FRONT of Charming to defend Hook from getting beaten up (for the millionth time – the guy is still sore and he’s off fighting to save everyone!) and then Charming stood there, intently watching Emma & Hook.
You know what I really love? Charming felt the need to step in and make sure that Emma was ok when she was left alone in Gold’s shop with Neal (who he has NEVER confronted by the way, grr), yet he was perfectly fine to walk away and usher everyone outside after Emma talked to Hook in the diner and never felt the need to ask her if she needed him to stay. Sure he looked a little…fatherly? but he lets Emma be Emma and only jumps in when he feels like it. If anything I think that Charming & Hook have started bonding & will understand each other, and Charming’s never really tried to do that with Neal. It’s almost like they’re screaming at us to see that Charming & Snow are skeptical because they see Emma ” starting to look at Hook the wrong way” (JMO I adore you “starts?!?” PaleyFest reference anyone? I mean, she even wanted to know when Charming was going to punch Neal out for sending her to jail. I think she’s on our side guys! :D)
3. H&K are fond of teasing us that’s for sure, but the fact that they have to keep defending Neal and reminding us that he did love her and that he’s not such a bad guy means that that isn’t getting across so somewhere, there are lots of people like us who does see way more in CS than in SF.
As Kitsis said, “In all life, there are the people that are right for you and there are the people that are wrong for you, and then there are the people that you just choose. Emma is going to face all those things. We’ll see what happens.” Emma is big on choice and a lot of the conversations we saw with her in S1 really exemplified this to me, especially her comment to MM in 1×06 about the difference between saying you want someone and actually making a choice to be with them. Very telling of her as a character.
4. I’m with you on the not celebrating just yet. I see tons of stuff that gives me reason to hope, but I’m also very afraid that we’re setting ourselves up for disappointment too. I get the appeal of the other option (and i adore young Bae, Dylan is amazing!), and the storyline that goes with it, and Emma has forgiven others in the past too, but she’s felt a connection to Hook since before Neal came back into her life. She may be able to forget and move past it and have him in her life for Henry’s sake, but I think / hope that the portal scene was closure on that chapter in the past and that ultimately she chooses to move forward instead of revert back. She’s an awesome person as she is now and Hook appreciates her for the woman that she is.
I will be so gutted if they set him up to fall for her and he gets his heart broken again! I don’t want Neal to get hurt either but I feel like he can at least say he set himself up for it and it’ll just reinforce his original doubts because he didn’t believe in them enough. I felt like Emma was always fighting for that relationship, he was too afraid to and never believed it was possible or he never would have tried to leave her the first time to go off to Canada alone. (I do believe they had real feelings for each other, I just agree with MM’s quote about if people are meant to be they find a way to make it happen – Charming always fights to get back to Snow, Neal knew where Emma was and didn’t – yes Emma found her way back into his life but completely by accident. She gave up searching after her 2 years in Tallahassee and bigger circumstances aside, she’s put in plenty of time and heartache already. To go back to it too quickly would undermine her character).
With the wording and the things we know about her and the camera shots and constant ship stuff (seriously, on my next rewatch I am getting screenshots of every pirate doll, ship’s wheel, ship painting, ship model, and anything remotely piratey ever for Emma because it is ALL there and has been from the pilot!). Even the original sketch they released in the magazine has her in a piratey outfit. The fact that they were even considering changing who Henry’s father was because the audience guessed it so quickly makes me question if they ever had any intention of actually making them endgame. I’m sure they debated it, but there was SUCH a strong reaction from the writers / producers / people on set to Hook’s first few episodes (and really, who can blame them?) that I feel like things may have changed in his favor. After all he was a character they wanted in Season 1 as well, so they always wanted him to play a part. I think he just blew them away and as Jane said recently in an interview, all the pairings “make sense” and have potential. (I know she’s a CS shipper, love the twitter quotes where she’s agreeing with people who basically say you’d have to be blind not to sense something going on with CS after Tallahassee).
5. So I am cautiously optimistic but still afraid at times. I want to be open to and love whatever they throw at us as endgame but I’m also nervous that they’re setting it up for CS to get close while Neal is out of the picture. I don’t want to get into Lost stuff right now but I can parallel it to something good in there and something not so good so I’m truly afraid of what they’ll choose. I hope they see what a big reaction they’re getting to CS and I’m pretty sure they said they know who her endgame will be already which leads me to believe that they’re either cruel or are deliberately planting all of the CS stuff at this point cause the finale SCREAMED CS to me.
I know a lot don’t want to see it yet and are hung up on Hook being out for himself and flirting and using innuendos etc, but he is himself when he is with Emma and I really want him to show more people that in NL. What I would love is for Charming to have to stick up for him after watching him with Emma (headcanon is that he will risk his life /save Emma and that Charming will be closely watching a lot of the time – like he’s not already! lol – and have to admit and probably argue with Snow that it’s Emma’s choice and he’s not that bad after all).
If anybody can understand a guy who would do anything and love as deeply as Hook does it’ll be Charming. I want more of their budding bromance (which of course starts by caring about Emma) and I think Snow will be the one to fight things more (even though she’s been watching them like a hawk from the start). Charming knows what it’s like to be in a triangle that splits you between obligation/pressure & who you’re really drawn to present day regardless of the past / supposed past. He was in that position as David being told he was supposed to remember being in love with Kathryn and yes that wasn’t actually real love but it felt that way to her and he felt like he was supposed to remember that life but was always drawn to his heart – MM.
6. One thing somebody pointed out yesterday was that Charming never doubted that Snow was ok. He kept reminding Henry of it because he said he could “feel it” and was so sure. He never doubted. Just like he never doubted that 28 years apart (1 remembering and raising Emma, the other “frozen in time”) would change their love at all. I think when presented with what actually happened he’ll be the first to understand why Emma chooses Hook. If anything, Neal had a shorter time table and knew where to go when to argue his case and beg for forgiveness. He was more in control of circumstances than Charming ever was (he had to just sit and wait for Emma to find them and break the curse).
On the flip side, he should also understand that even though he doesn’t appreciate the methods, Hook has been trying to avenge the woman he loved for centuries. If that ever comes out into more public knowledge, ie: somebody sees the tattoo and asks about it, which I fully expect to be Charming since I don’t think he bought the “out for himself” facade when they were working together briefly, Charming will be the one to understand it. Can’t you just picture Hook (trying for Emma’s sake) to open up a bit more and mentioning why he hates Rumple so much and asking Charming what he wouldn’t do to anyone who hurts Snow? Colin would kill that for sure, just like he did in the scene with Bae. He’s spent every moment for centuries trying to avenge the woman he loved – Charming should understand that.
7. I really want Charming & Hook to bind while looking for Emma and Hook being sure that she’s ok because he can feel it and then having Charming realize that Hook’s in love with his little girl. The icing on the cake would be him having to admit to Snow that they may not like it but it’s Emma’s choice and if Hook loves her half as much as he ever loved Milah, she’ll be safe. I think the problem really will be Snow who is in no place to talk given her affair as MM. She knows that sometimes it doesn’t matter what the rest of the world thinks, you can’t help who you’re drawn to and love.
On the bright side I think they really enjoyed putting these two together (and giving them nicknames while filming) so I hope that means they’ll want to make them work together in the future. I want to see Snowing & CaptainSwan working side by side and trusting each other!
8. I hope that in NL Snow & Charming both see how good Hook can be for Emma and cut him some slack, even if nothing romantic actually starts but they become close. Emma opens up SO much more to Hook than she does with anybody else and I want that to be acknowledged. It’ll be bad enough when Neal is reunited with them all and it gets super awkward but I don’t want them instantly jumping to Neal’s side when Snow heard all the bad stuff as MM and knows that he sent Emma to jail. They haven’t heard the reasons yet, they haven’t even tried to find out what his deal is, he was just *there.*
Actually the fact that they do worry about Hook so much is actually positive for CS. MM saw and correctly guessed how Emma felt about Graham. Snow & Charming are often seen in frame watching Emma with Hook and they never seem to bother with Neal. I can see them wanting to push her in that direction for Henry, although Snow basically told Emma to stop acting jealous so she doesn’t get Henry’s hopes up, so as long as she doesn’t get Henry’s hopes up maybe Snow won’t be so bad?
9. I do like the idea that they somehow find Neal earlier on so that he’s a part of the action too. They’re going to have to wrap up MAP’s storyline pretty fast because the actresses are on other shows and Neal is an important part of things + he has the knowledge of NL as well.
My headcanon so far has been that they’ll find Henry, leave NL but go to the EF (to escape) while they try to find a way back to SB and that while they’re showing Henry around Snowing’s castle, they’ll come across Neal. I do like the idea of him in NL though. (Definitely looking forward to more of young Bae’s story there, I want to explore NL darnit! and I <3 young Bae). It would also be nice to see him actually fighting for his family and being a part of rescuing Henry but I feel like it may make that ship a little too full of drama (it's gonna have plenty as is!)
10. I don’t want either guy hurt I really don’t but I love Hook and the man seriously only has eyes for Emma. Neal has shown that he is fine at least trying to move on and having a working relationship with Emma as part of Henry’s family. Also I think with all the hatred the writers have gotten over the bio-family vs adoptive one, it would just solidify in some people’s minds that bio-families *eye roll* are more important than the highly dysfunctional yet tight-knit group Henry has.
Emma is very much influenced by the real world and I do want her to have a fairytale-esque romance but I don’t see why that *has* to be with her child’s father. I just want them to all sort their issues out and get along for Henry and for whoever is left to find his happiness as well. If it’s Hook then they better bring in somebody awesome cause he only has eyes for Emma. If it’s Neal I could seriously see him working with Regina and I’m hoping that’s why it’s taken soooo long to get them any interaction because I think they would definitely bond over a LOT of things but that he needs to work on his issues with Emma before he tries to move on again to make it real and maybe that’s why they’ve kept them apart so far *fingers crossed* – they’ve both been broken by Rumple and she did raise his son. Plus he reminds me of Daniel and they’d be good together, whereas HQ would be toxic and all revengey. So far the TL couples have balanced each other out nicely and helped lean toward goodness instead of darkness. If they ruin Hook I will be livid, the man can love DEEPLY and him crying gets me emotional. I don’t want him to stay broken or go off the deep end! I love him so much! Plus wouldn’t it be absolutely hilarious if Rumple becomes Regina’s father-in-law? It would also tie her in even closer to Henry’s life which would appease her and make her feel a lot less skeptical about it all working because she’s always so afraid that someone will take Henry that she makes the first (and stupid) move and wrecks any progress. I think Neal could help her settle down with all of that anyway, as they have a lot in common, and then on top of that she’d be less paranoid about her relationship with Henry.
I really hope that Henry (unlike Jared, grr) is able to see that Hook brings out the good in Emma and vice versa. He’s an observant kid and I think he’ll see a change in Hook once he opens up a bit thanks to Emma. How could Henry NOT love hanging out with a pirate?? I worry once Neal is back in the picture, but the kid wasn’t throwing tantrums about Tamara so he better be nice if Emma chooses Hook. I want them all to be happy but unless I’m totally misunderstanding the entire point of the show – it’s not about Henry’s happy ending, or Rumple’s, it’s about alllll the characters and their happy endings. Emma shouldn’t have to be with Neal just to appease Henry – the kid wants both Emma and Regina in his life and has shown that time and time again, so he should be open to accepting any and all family that he gets! I genuinely think whoever is left out will find love and they’ll be added to the family too and it’ll be one huge dysfunctional unit that bicker amongst themselves but band together against the world.
11. I hope they’re not just playing with us because then that basically treats us like other ships that don’t have a shot at all. They don’t even discount SQ people when they have never remotely promoted such a relationship in any interview, not to mention that both women have been involved with MEN. Yet when Emma & her love life is mentioned, or Hook’s 2nd chance, or anything remotely relating to one of the 2 characters, the other seems to naturally enter the conversation. There have been TOO many teases that are huge to count us as delusional, but I also hope it’s not setting us up for heartache.
They keep reminding us that it’s not set in stone yet and that Emma does have genuine feelings for Neal, but they never promote that. It’s just thrown in to remind us that she has things she needs to deal with just as much as Hook needs to move beyond Milah. I will think it exceptionally cruel if they build it up that much and then they’re just like welllll you were all so distracted by Hook & CS that we got one by you finally. I don’t want to be teased to be distracted, I want to have genuine hope in what I see on screen and what I see on screen so far leads me to ship CS. It may not be popular in certain places, but we are a legit fandom and we have reasons that consist of more than “hotness” and “not forgiving Neal when everyone else has done far worse things than throw someone in jail.” We are so much more than that!
I would hate for them to hype it but not mean anything by it. They don’t “rule out” SQ but they don’t hype it either. They downplayed WoodenSwan pretty quickly and reduced them to more of a “brother/sister” dynamic long before they de-aged him. They have been heavily teasing CS and I would like to think it’s not just “hey look, there’s a triangle, please watch!” especially since most people HATE triangles with a passion.
12. It is absolutely annoying to get into shipper debates and I wish this triangle was as cut and dried as all the others have been on the show but we’re seeing Emma’s love story play out in real time and we just have to have faith and hope we’re right. Many people tune out for awhile til they know how a triangle in a show will play out so that they don’t get invested in the wrong side of things. It is gutting to be attacked for having a different opinion and having just as much faith in your ship as they do in theirs but because of sheer numbers get hate for it. I’ve seen CS doing very well in polls and such, just not around here. But we do exist, we are vocal about it, and somebody somewhere knows it’s a real thing because the creators and writers and promo departments have been teasing the heck out of it.
13. Speaking of promo departments…as much as I hate them cause they’re idiotic usually, I am so glad they went from that first introduction of Hook being the greatest villain of all time to now #HookTheHero lol. Also back over winter hiatus, aka: after Tallahassee aired, Hook & Emma were included in the Timeless Love promo for the show. It doesn’t mean anything concrete but you would think if the people in the promo department had access to footage from Tallahassee and looked at that they would have said hmm, which one of these couples looks more timeless to you, and then put it in. Every other couple they used was an established couple but they used CS. (I hate the promo department and I take them with a grain of salt because I don’t think they have a clue what they’re doing, but for once I think they got it right and saw the same things we have).
And now back to your regularly schedule CS love-fest. *passes out cookies*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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