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@Polythenepam wrote:
A& E keep harping on the fact that Emma “thinks” Neal is dead 🙄 . Making it seem like Hook will be a rebound. But this goes against Emma’s character and whatever we’ve been shown so far about her. She’s not the sort to do casual. She’s guarded with her emotions. She’s still bewildered by the savior thing and the fact that she is magical.
Emma has done “casual” with relationships in the past. In season 1, Emma told MM that one night stands are as far as she goes. I think she’s done one night stands because she’s guarded with her emotions. Physical intimacy is different to emotional intimacy. Emma doesn’t like getting emotionally involved because it means she can get emotionally hurt.
I think Hook and Emma will begin to get emotionally and romantically involved then Neal will pop back up to throw a spanner in the works.
A triangle between CaptainSwan and SwanFire (though A&E did mention a rhombus) would be a good way to play it. Unlike the season one triangle where it was obvious Charming was going to end up with Snow and Kathryn was just an obstacle to that, Emma could literally choose either one without it being obvious from the start who she would end up with. Both men have their supporters so the audience is already divided over who Emma should be with and that’s what a good triangle should be.
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@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Welcome to the club Polythenepam!
Thank you, Kat! And thanks for the cookies!
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
1. I agree with most of what you said and am so happy to see more on board! I’m at times torn and I get the appeal of both sides of the triangle but I love love love CS and I will be absolutely gutted if they have set up THIS much stuff just to make Emma go back to Neal. If they wanted us to root for him, they shouldn’t have put in such an awesome other choice. Likewise I was a bit annoyed that they made him look like the fall guy so that we’d have to feel sorry for him getting his heart broken because of Hook again, but with more time hopefully he will come to realize that Hook is good for Emma too and respect whatever HER choice is in the end (please be Hook!).
I should think Hook is also entitled to a LOT of sympathy votes if Emma goes with Nealfire, Hook’ll be getting HIS heart broken again by the father-son duo! Right now Hook is being seen as a distraction and I do think the writers are to blame for creating this impression of Hook by letting him double-cross, get double-crossed, beaten up, tied up, knocked over and generally be a goofball all through this season. But I have to say, the rare instances where Hook opens out, most of them with Emma, are what have endured for me and have endeared this character even more to me. I want Hook and Emma both to get their happiness and together!! 🙂 . Nealfire deserves happiness too after everything he’s been through, but I don’t know if he deserves Emma. If he was being depicted as one half of a future true love story, he certainly left a LOT to be desired! I’d be MAD and GUTTED if all the CS build-up came to naught and they were just setting up for cheap soap-operaish triangle only to have her go “back” to Neal.. Ugghhhhh!!
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
2. As for the comment about why Hook came back – I don’t think it’s just shipper goggles I really don’t. I think it was BOTH Emma & Bae that brought him back. To some who don’t understand the significance of the bean as a symbol of Hook & Emma, it’s just Hook tossing the bean over in his hand debating whether to use it or not until he sees the scratchmarks which remind him of Bae. But let us not forget that the bean is CS’s thing. Colin even said on twitter that it was both things that made him turn around. I don’t think Hook would have turned around to honor a guy he just found out was dead by helping a town full of people who hated him and had betrayed him on more than one occasion.
I agree. The bean IS a symbol for Hook & Emma and the dried up bean metaphor couldn’t be lost on anyone 😉 , especially when Hook writes it off and then immediately proceeds to rejuvenate it! 😉 . Yeah, I can definitely see the merit of Emma’s statement about being a part of something affecting Hook as much as the scratch drawings on the wheel. I’m not aware of Colin’s tweet on this, but anything that speaks in CS’s favor has me on board!
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Emma’s speech to him and acknowledging their connection got to him. By the time he found out about Neal he had already handed her the empty pouch (which she never even THOUGHT to check, meaning she TRUSTED him, hence how upset she was and how happy she was when he came back – we saw that look on the dock. They purposely showed us her reaction even though she played it off when he got there). When he arrived he focused on HER (not that he wasn’t doing that the entire episode *thud*) and when he made the statement about needing reminding that he could care he was looking directly at her and gave it back as a sign of trust. He was showing that he was in and she accepted it from him (this time thankfully the hands brushing did not = locking someone up!). She didn’t have to give the bean back to him to use for the portal either. She handed it back over and trusted him to do the most important thing in the world: take them to NL to save her son. She could have thought “NL” and thrown the bean herself but she showed trust in him, just like he had in her.
Yeah, she never checked the pouch the first time, but she did the second time when he came back and she DID find the bean in it, meaning her trust in him was vindicated. The camera was pointing at HER face, it was only her reaction that we saw..to him coming back and him handing the bean to her..although he took it from Charming. And yes, she gave him the bean to throw in a sign that she trusted him too after all the back and forth that happened between them, she was ready to forget all that and move ahead, to show that she appreciated his gesture and she reciprocated with one of her own.
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Let’s face it: Hook can hold a grudge. Is he ever upset with Emma (when Cora isn’t around pulling the strings?) Emma has betrayed him yet he still says “Hey beautiful” and flirts with her when he’s in extreme pain the next time he sees her.
^This! Yeah, there are no remonstrations or accusations when they meet after Emma betrays him.. its only “Hey beautiful” and similarly when he comes back to the port after his betrayal in the finale, she meets him with a simple “What are you doing here? I thought you didn’t care about anyone but yourself”..but there’s no screaming, yelling, just a simple statement of facts and a curiosity as to what made him return…and a genuine surprise when he hands her the bean. Yes, these two GET each other in a beautifully subtle and deep way..that is at once poignant and healing. (*feels coming on*)
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
he knew that Regina dying wouldn’t affect Emma as much but if anything happened to Charming, especially when Hook was supposed to have his back, Emma might never forgive him.
Wow, yeah, never saw it this way, Kat. He protected Charming because he’s important to Emma and he’s rescuing Henry because he’s important to Emma too…
[ @MysteryKat25 wrote:
You know what I really love? Charming felt the need to step in and make sure that Emma was ok when she was left alone in Gold’s shop with Neal (who he has NEVER confronted by the way, grr), yet he was perfectly fine to walk away and usher everyone outside after Emma talked to Hook in the diner
Ok… this I definitely have to watch again. I don’t recall the Gold’s shop with Neal bit
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
4. I’m with you on the not celebrating just yet. I see tons of stuff that gives me reason to hope, but I’m also very afraid that we’re setting ourselves up for disappointment too.
There are so many ways they can choose to do this…
a) She goes with Neal because she really loves him and hooks up briefly with Hook just because he’s available and Hook sees it that way too and is Ok with being thrown off like a used blanket (GRRRR!) and walks away a loner..this would probably mean the end of story arc for Hook unless they find a new way to fit him in.
b) She goes with Neal and loves him, but Hook loves her and gets into BIG bad guy mode all over again and turns against the whole Stiltskin and Charming family to seek revenge ..I don’t see this working because they have portrayed Hook for too long as the vengeance seeking lover, and lets face it he’d probably be no match for Rumple and Emma together, and possibly Henry too. He might team up with Regina (I hate this idea so much, I’m gagging), but then again its a “been there, done that” kind of path for the writers to take and it would be too soap-operaish IMO. I don’t see Hook as the kind of guy who’d want to force someone to love him. He has no scruples, true, but I don’t see him wanting to break up a happy family just because his love was spurned. He’s not mean-minded or petty. With Milah, it was her choice to leave Rumple and Bae and come to him, he never forced her. And I don’t see him wanting to do that with Emma either.
c) Emma loves Hook but chooses Neal because of Henry (this may not happen since Adam has already said this would not be the reason for Emma’s choice) OR because she feels she needs to give Neal another chance OR Hook backs off because he doesn’t want to hurt Bae again or because of some shady blackmailing from Rumple. I would totally buy this scenario..there would be a lot of angst, separation pangs and Emma would want try and work things out with Neal initially but she would keep getting drawn to Hook (*God..cannot handle the feels*)
d) Emma chooses Hook and Neal takes it badly, teams up with Papa dearest to wreak revenge on the Charmings. Again, I don’t see Nealfire resorting to this from what we’ve been shown of him, he seems like a sweet guy, but again, who knows how the writers minds work.
I too don’t want Neal to get hurt but at least he’ll have his family… his father, his son and I can see the appeal of a EvilFire too. Henry would have two sets of parents and it would all be One , big happy family! 😀
e) OR they throw a curve ball and introduce a totally new love interest for Emma putting and end to all further speculation about ST or CS! 🙄@MysteryKat25 wrote:
5. So I am cautiously optimistic but still afraid at times. I want to be open to and love whatever they throw at us as endgame but I’m also nervous that they’re setting it up for CS to get close while Neal is out of the picture. they’re either cruel or are deliberately planting all of the CS stuff at this point cause the finale SCREAMED CS to me.
Yes, my BFF was blown away when she watched Hook’s debut episode, but after Tallahassee she was like…OMG! The tension was sooo thick you could cut it with a knife… and the bandaging thing..he didn’t have to do it quite like that with his mouth and her fingers grazing his cheek (*thud*) ; And the trip wire act? She all but pulled him into her arms..she could have pushed him aside or just dragged him away. So all that was intentionally leading upto CS and I have a feeling we’d have seen a lot more build-up and Hook were it not for Colin’s unfortunate accident. The hospital scene breaks me up each time I see it, there is so much conveyed in their gazes and their eyes speak volumes of the way they both feel… Her voice breaking when she says “I’d pick you” could almost translate into, “I don’t want you to die, you idiot, why do have to cross swords with such a powerful demon?”
And the finale of course is loaded with it… the scene where she speaks to him about being part of something and then almost as though he can read her mind, he KNOWS that’s not the real reason and he waits to ask her about it and yeah, Charming leaves her to deal with Hook alone.@MysteryKat25 wrote:
If anybody can understand a guy who would do anything and love as deeply as Hook does it’ll be Charming. I want more of their budding bromance (which of course starts by caring about Emma) and I think Snow will be the one to fight things more (even though she’s been watching them like a hawk from the start).
I would love a Charming-Hook buddy bromance thing!
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
9. I do like the idea that they somehow find Neal earlier on so that he’s a part of the action too. They’re going to have to wrap up MAP’s storyline pretty fast because the actresses are on other shows and Neal is an important part of things + he has the knowledge of NL as well.
Yes, Neal being in on the action at NL can possibly bring out more intense drama to the situation, Neal trying to prove himself to Emma and of course wanting to do the best for his son and Hook, well, Hook being Hero Hook and showing Bae that he really meant to change for him all those years ago and if he had taken him up on the offer of a family, he would have been a different person now. It just crossed my mind that Bae rejecting Hook pushed him back on the path to vengeance and led him to never open up to anyone again till he met Emma and Neal abandoning Emma led her to give up Henry and build up her walls against trusting people!
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
I really hope that Henry (unlike Jared, grr) is able to see that Hook brings out the good in Emma and vice versa. He’s an observant kid and I think he’ll see a change in Hook once he opens up a bit thanks to Emma. How could Henry NOT love hanging out with a pirate??
I have a feeling Henry will take to Hook pretty well. Look how young Bae opened out to him before he knew he was his mother’s lover. Hook has a way with kids and I think he can get through to Henry.
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
They keep reminding us that it’s not set in stone yet and that Emma does have genuine feelings for Neal, but they never promote that. It’s just thrown in to remind us that she has things she needs to deal with just as much as Hook needs to move beyond Milah. I will think it exceptionally cruel if they build it up that much and then they’re just like welllll you were all so distracted by Hook & CS that we got one by you finally. I don’t want to be teased to be distracted,
I so agree. There would be no point in all this CS build-up if they were going to go with ST as endgame. There is no reason to show Emma torn between 2 men, and there is no real reason for her to get into a relationship with Hook unless of course she wants to. And like it has been pointed out, Emma is big on choice.
Hey Shipmates just finished posting chapter 5 of my fanfic hope you all enjoy 😀
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9313469/5/Captain-Swan-The-Pirate
As Mr. Gold makes final preparations for his journey to Atlantis, mermaids begin to surround the Jolly Roger and sing their siren song.
I adore the second pic. It’s so cute. And seriously, what little boy at one didn’t dream about being a pirate? 😆 😆 I have a feeling, next season, after rescuing Henry, Hook and Henry will bond more and the breaking or melting point for Emma will be watching the two of them, where Killian’s teaching him about pirate stuff and being all adorable about it.
@obisgirl wrote:
I adore the second pic. It’s so cute. And seriously, what little boy at one didn’t dream about being a pirate? 😆 😆 I have a feeling, next season, after rescuing Henry, Hook and Henry will bond more and the breaking or melting point for Emma will be watching the two of them, where Killian’s teaching him about pirate stuff and being all adorable about it.
I really hope Hook is the one who has to directly rescue Henry. Like idk save him from falling or fend off the Lost Boys something like that.
I think Rumple is going to be the one that ends up saving Henry since Henry is meant to be his “undoing”. Though if Emma is really the one Peter Pan wants, what with her being the saviour, then Hook could be the one who ends up saving Emma then she could give him a little thank you kiss which could then turn into a full blown romantic kiss as they both realise they have feelings for each other.
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