The Captain Swan thread!

[obisgirl]

I think most CS fans are busy voting in that E! poll. We’re down to the final two by the way and it’s a really tough race.

Just voted and CS is ahead finally!!

54.9%

I am very happy with CS’s development thus far.  I love how much Emma is changing and acknowledging how she isn’t letting her past get in the way of her relationship with Killian.

[ellemo78]

Happy St Patrick’s Day! (well it’s here where I am)

I’ve been away, trying desperately to avoid spoilers so I could catch up on the last couple episodes. I’m enjoying the QoD, interesting turn of events. I’m intrigued to find out the answers to the questions the show is posing. What on earth did Snow and Charming do to guarantee Emma was ‘light’? And I like that perhaps that makes sense of why her magic is so light and powerful. I’m enjoying Maleficent more than I would. (That shot of her with the little baby rattle was quite heart breaking)

Anyway, onto thread topic. I love love love the interactions between Emma and Killian this half season so far. First half they were trying to establish them as a couple and now they are together and it’s just all nice and normal every day stuff (apart from hell beasts). Emma has grown so much with her feelings, just as Snow said in the end montage. But it’s good to see the two of them struggle with what they have. Not everything is wine and roses and the past (no matter how much you want to move on from it) will always be baggage that needs to be dealt with in an adult fashion. Emma spelling it out to Killian is what he needed. That’s it’s okay to keep things private, but it’s not okay to lie about it. I thought that he may have learnt that in the 4a, but I think he needed to hear it from Emma. That Emma isn’t going to run away from him when she hears about the terrible things he’s done in his past. They’re going to work through it.

Killian’s self loathing seems so much more prominent now he is actually with Emma. He is so happy, that sometimes he has to take a step back and remember just how lucky he is he has a woman who cares for him even with the dagger of all his past doings hanging over them. His lying is him trying to protect her from all that. That conversation is a big step in their relationship.

Just on a secondary note, how strange it was to see Killian emoting over Belle! When he placed his hand over her heart – oh swoon! Colin does it so well that I truly was thinking that Killian had feelings for Belle then had to remember it was Rumple underneath. And that final ‘he took something from me’ was just so sad and sincere. I know it wasn’t Killian talking to Belle for the episode, but I do like their interactions too. That they’re friendly enough for Belle not to be suspicious when Rumple!Killian asked her about the situation with Will. And I loved the Killian/Will/Belle scene at the diner, I’ve watched it about three times and it still makes me giggle. I’m glad they’ve given Belle more to do. I like her more when she’s just not Rumple’s offsider.

I’m sure I had more thoughts, but they’ve all disappeared at the moment. 🙂

If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness

[obisgirl]

I know not many understand Belle and Killian’s friendship; I think most are still stuck in season two where all they can see is Hook shooting Belle. The problem is, Hook is no longer that person from season two. Is he still angry with Rumple? Probably rightfully so since Rumple took his heart and forced him to become his slave so Rumple could keep his hands clean.

But the thing is now, the reason why Belle and Killian can relate as friends is because they both have something in common now: they’ve both been wronged by Rumple.

Even Eddy has said so:

He used her as a pawn to get back his revenge for Mr. Gold, but now they both find themselves on similar ground, which is they both feel betrayed by [Rumpelstiltskin.] He literally had both their hearts. Hook feels a lot of shame and guilt for getting rid of the fairies. Belle feels upset because she was deceived. We’re going to see them work together to try to repair some of the damage done.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/02/27/once-upon-time-bosses-tease-challenges-store-core-characters

Belle doesn’t have many long-term friends on Once; her friendship with Ruby lasted for about 2 1/2 episodes, but Belle’s friendship with Hook, I can see that becoming a long-term thing. Heck, I would even love a conversation between Killian and Belle where Killian expresses how he doesn’t understand how Rumple could continually choose power over love. I think it would hit home for Belle.

I think Belle understands too that Killian was blinded by love because she’s been there too.  She was blinded by her love for Rumple that she didn’t see what he was really doing.  That’s what binds friends together, they share/see a similarity in each other and now, there’s this common ground between Belle and Killian that didn’t exist before.  I’m excited to see Killian and Belle’s friendship develop more throughout the season and hopefully, it lasts beyond this season too.

And it isn’t funny, how Rumple doesn’t know how to love properly and Killian is almost always the one to pick up the pieces when Rumple screws something up in his life? Belle would not be friends with Killian if Rumple hadn’t sabotaged his own marriage to begin with and become so obsessed with magic using it to free himself.

[ellemo78]

It was such a horrible thing that Rumple did to get his dagger back, but I do love Colin playing bad/Rumple. I did note that Rumple!Hook told Belle very specific wording so his cover wouldn’t be blown when she called him out. Belle could have said ‘reveal yourself’ and that would have stuffed Rumple’s plan. Such a manipulative bastard, but able to still get me feel for him when he sees Belle and Will together.

I think we’re going to get some very nice angst in the next episode, if promo pics of Hook and Ursula are anything to go by. I wonder if Emma will learn about Killian’s past at the same time as the audience. I hope so, I don’t want Killian to be keeping secrets from Emma when she’s already glossed over her superpower about her parents lying to her. Just on that, I don’t understand why people are so annoyed that Emma’s superpower doesn’t work all the time. It works when she actually concentrates on it. Hook can never keep anything from her. He is a rubbish liar when it comes to her. (Actually for a pirate he is a pretty rubbish liar full stop.) I don’t see it as an issue when she’s relaxed and not in ‘investigative mode’ that perhaps things slip by her. Maybe it doesn’t detect little white lies, only the big stuff.

If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness

[obisgirl]

I also think it would be very petty for Belle to continue to have a grudge against Killian. Now, would be an absolutely horrible time to bring that up. We know when Darkness at the Edge of town premiered, six weeks had passed since the winter finale. I know they probably had a talk about what happened and Hook pledging to help however he can to release the fairies from the hat. That’s his penance and I think Belle, like Emma, understands that putting the fairies in the hat was not something he was proud of or even wanted to do!

I think Hook would be one of those people who would stand by Belle and vow to protect her against Rumple. And I love that. I don’t think Rumple would kill Belle, but Hook knows first hand how Rumple reacts when the people he loves rebels against him (ie. Milah).

Belle saw his heart too when Rumple was about to crush it. I don’t think it’s lost on her how Hook’s changed.

[killianhookfan]

Hi.  Haven’t been here forever but have been quietly watching and mainly looking through pretty pictures on tumblr.

Wow!  Did Colin nail playing Rumple disguised as Killian or what??  That was brilliant!!

So I totally despised Rumple the first half of this season but I’m going to be interested to see what they do with him this half.  I love Robert Carlyle playing creepy and funny Rumple and psycho-Gold, but he also plays “wounded” really well.  No excuses for how he treated Belle – I was thrilled when she made him kick himself over the town line BUT . . . I would like to see Rumple GENUINELY realize how he has ruined his life and hurt and/or destroyed everyone he has loved.  Up until now I think he has “thought” he was remorseful for things and “thought” he understood how to love people, but really, besides when he was a child and was left by his father, I don’t think he has ever really cared for anyone that he hasn’t ultimately believed he was able to control and therefore was never in the position of actually “losing.”  Even with Bae – when he “lost” him to the portal he didn’t know he was going to lose him, he believed he was in control of his son because no one would ever dare take him away from him because he was the dark one and Bae was still a child.  And he always believed he could get him back with the curse.  And when he did find him again he always believed there was some way he could “convince” him to love him again.  Then when Bae “chose” to die, he didn’t have to truly deal with any of horrible things he had done through the years to get him back because everyone was so focused on the fact that Neal had died a hero that no one really paid any attention to the fact that Rumple’s prized possession and sole reason for creating the curse was gone.

This time it’s different.  This time Rumple has to actually face what he was scared of from the very beginning – that he was never truely worthy of Belle’s love and that NO ONE could ever love him, but the problem now is that he now has to live with the fact that Belle DID love him and he screwed up so bad that he made her want him out her life so badly that she used a method that she believed would NEVER allow him to come back.  And now not only does he have to somehow deal with that but he has see that Belle isn’t like how Killian was when Rumpke killed Milah.  She isn’t mourning her “loss” – she has accepted that she was wrong about him and she is able to move on with her life with someone else very quickly, which on this show is purposely  shown to prove that someone was NOT someone else’s true love.  At least I believe that is what they are trying to show that Rumple believes.  I do still believe that Belle and Rumple are/were true love but Rumple is one severely messed up dude and I think it is good that they are having Belle understand the depth of his problems.  And I think it is good that they have separated the two of the them.  I don’t think Belle and Will make sense but I don’t think they are supposed to – I think Will is just a plot device.  But I like how Belle said that he makes her smile.  I think the problem with the dysfunctional relationship with Rumbelle was that the idea of what Rumple COULD become is what always made Belle smile – but who Rumple actually is now is not someone she really wants to be with, or SHOULD be with.  Rumple and Belle are the exact opposite of Killian and Emma.

[obisgirl]

I think Adam and Eddy have said before, if you loved once and it didn’t work, it’s okay to move on and find a new love.  No one is doomed to be miserable and alone for the rest of their life. I don’t want to get too much into rumbelle because this is not a rumbelle thread, but I think what we are seeing here with rumbelle is a reverse true love scenario. Rumple and Belle truly loved each other once but I think it was made clear in the winter finale, Belle is not his only true love.  Rumple loves his magic more than he loves her.  I’m honestly not sure a true love’s kiss between Belle and Rumple would work now.

Needless to say, it’s going to be a very interesting season for my true love meta.

I’ll say one last thing about Rumple. I don’t think it’s that he’s difficult to love; it’s actually that he doesn’t know how to love properly. There’s a big difference between the two.  The first one implies that it’s difficult for other people to love him but the one I just added, means that he doesn’t how to love other people the way they deserve to be loved.

It’s also an interesting contrast between Hook and Rumple’s characters.  Killian totally respects people’s agency.  As much as he wanted Bae to stay on his ship, he respected his decision to leave. Killian respects Emma’s agency too. He said up front in Dark Hollow, you know how I feel but the decision here is up to you.  It was always Emma’s choice and that’s a big thing considering most everything in Emma’s life has been decided for her.

[ellemo78]

@obisgirl – I’m with you on the Belle thing. I don’t think she’s ever one to really hold a grudge. I do believe that Hook started to repair that bridge in Quiet Minds, when she called him out for trying to kill her. Even though his apology wasn’t all that sincere, I think he made up for it by staying and protecting her and then going back to protect her after Neal went off to find Rumple. Belle’s seen the change in him. After the Apprentice Hook stopped using Belle as leverage with Rumple (as Rumple threatened to do the same to Emma) and I think by the end of 4a Hook was on Belle’s side. He’d seen her with Rumple, saw how Rumple was treating his ‘blissful, ignorant’ wife and even tried to convince Rumple that her love would save him. So I’m happy that Belle and Killian are friends. It wouldn’t have slipped Killian’s notice that Belle has saved him from Rumple’s wrath twice and I’m sure he wants to repay her for that. Also six weeks of working together is a long to time to get to know each other. I can imagine they’ve had all sorts of conversations about Rumple and what the Dark One has done over the years.

If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness

[obisgirl]

Also six weeks of working together is a long to time to get to know each other. I can imagine they’ve had all sorts of conversations about Rumple and what the Dark One has done over the years.

Oh yeah, absolutely.  Don’t tell me the conversation in the library in 4×12 was the only time they talked to each other.  There’s probably countless other times where they had heart to heart talks over what happened.

[ellemo78]

Just like I’m sure Emma and Killian have had lots of chats during the six weeks. Killian has obvsiouly caught everyone up on what happened with the hat. But we don’t need to see that on screen, b/c we the audience has already seen it. Like when Emma restored Killian’s heart, I know a few people were disappointed with the lack of discussion on how he lost his heart, why he was lying to her, etc. But again the audience already saw Hook’s phone confession, he had every intention of telling Emma what happened, so we can assume that he told her the whole story off screen, there’s no need to see it again.

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