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So our lovely @captianEala got a chance to see Colin live in Drogheda last night and meet him!! I’m so proud of our shipmate! There’s a great write up of that epic encounter on her tumbr
http://i-love-you-swan.tumblr.com/post/116714061427/my-meeting-with-colin
And here for your enjoyment is a clip of Colin with the Enemies last night
Edit: Okay, it wont embed so here’s the link https://youtu.be/Uq4wVI-oC4s
[adrotate group="5"]I just sent you a PM about who else was on tumblr and then I came back here and realized, ‘Oh, that was you anyway who posted this.’ Lol.
hey all!
Wow, the thread “exploded” over the last few days! Well, in comparison to lately. I, too, have pretty much given up on the site as a whole, the negativity is a little out of control. There’s concrit and then there’s negativity. I actually have a tumblr – and I think actually follow all/most of you! Maybe someday I’ll actually post stuff on it…
And don’t forget to definitely check out everyone’s fanfiction on ff.net and ao3. Obis’ latest chapter of her current story is up — and oh my god, I’m so intrigued by how her story’s going to continue! You had me at the edge of my seat at the end!
POM – interesting idea. I would warn you though, that particular storyline is going to really hit a nerve with CSers, even if that’s not the point (and I’m sure it isn’t, especially if, like you said it’s only one part of a larger storyline). Like any other ship CSers are extremely sensitive toward their characters, so there could be backlash depending on the audience. (And I only say that because I wouldn’t want you to feel attacked in any way but you know how our fandom is sometimes). If it’s well written, tight and utterly important to the overally storyline, CSers could follow but it’s a tricky line to walk. But I definitely want to know when/where you post because the idea of the story being about all of the characters, especially Henry, definitely sounds great!
As to how it ends, I really don’t know. In my opinion, on the show, Milah could come strolling down the street and though Hook would be happy she’s alive, I don’t believe he’d feel there’s even a choice to be made. Emma is it. I personally could get why Emma might not want to jump into a physical relationship, but I also don’t believe for a second Hook would pressure her or be upset about that – how he treats women then and now, especially Emma, is integral to his character progression, so I don’t think he’d be unfaithful no matter the situation. Hook spent 300 years wanting to avenge Milah’s death (have a whole other opinion on that but way off topic!) – but he wasn’t celibate. Emma and Hook were never even technically in a relationship when he got sent back to the EF, but they made it clear he didn’t even look at another woman, much less ‘spend time’ with one.
Ok all, now I need to make sure I’m following you all on tumblr! Obisgirl, I know you’ve posted it a few times, but can you post the link for the CS chat you like again? 🙂
Obis’ latest chapter of her current story is up — and oh my god, I’m so intrigued by how her story’s going to continue!
‘If You Love Me’ – this fic is my baby. You all don’t know how much love and time I put into writing it and making sure everything flows together. Even after general writing was completed (which consisted of writing 2-3 chapters per day, for consecutive days), I still went back and edited everything, multiple times just to make sure everything made sense. Editing took about a year before posting.
(Which, now you all can understand why I was greatly offended when that one nasty reviewer posted rude comments).
I also have to ask because I get so many reviewers on that fic, what’s your username? Or do you have one on a03.org?
Like any other ship CSers are extremely sensitive toward their characters, so there could be backlash depending on the audience. (And I only say that because I wouldn’t want you to feel attacked in any way but you know how our fandom is sometimes). If it’s well written, tight and utterly important to the overally storyline, CSers could follow but it’s a tricky line to walk. But I definitely want to know when/where you post because the idea of the story being about all of the characters, especially Henry, definitely sounds great!
I agree. There is a fine line in writing this. It is a very interesting idea though. Just be aware of your audience.
Obisgirl, I know you’ve posted it a few times, but can you post the link for the CS chat you like again?
I can do that! There’s two different ones actually. Yay 🙂
http://fyesemmaandhook.tumblr.com/chat
and there’s also the CS Network Chat, also on tumblr.
http://captainswansource.tumblr.com/captainswanchatroom
On Hook’s celibacy, this has always been very difficult for me to judge because we haven’t really seen canon proof that he was ever unfaithful to Milah’s memory. Now we know he was running errands for Pan, buying cupcakes and sweets in general to keep the Lost Boy’s fed, but for all we know, that’s how these trips worked. Business as usual. I can’t see Hook using this time for a little dalliance. Maybe a little R&R, like what we saw in the tavern. Beer, just chilling. But no dalliances.
We know for sure nothing sexual happened while in Neverland. (There is Tink, but I get a more big brother/little sister vibe). Other than that, I don’t see where anything could have happened.
Plus, during the lost year that Hook was separated from Emma, Once could have shown us that he had one-night stands with bar wenches. But he didn’t even do that. He remained faithful to Emma’s memory. We don’t know if that brunette Smee got for him was the first bar wench or the only one, but I like to think that every time Smee got them a girl for Hook, he just kept paying them to say they had a good time and he just hung out somewhere else for an hour.
I like to think that when he is in truly in love with a woman, Milah or Emma, that is it for him. He’s not going to mess around with anyone else. He’s devoted and that’s not a bad quality to have in a man and or a partner.
On Hook’s celibacy, this has always been very difficult for me to judge because we haven’t really seen canon proof that he was ever unfaithful to Milah’s memory. Now we know he was running errands for Pan, buying cupcakes and sweets in general to keep the Lost Boy’s fed, but for all we know, that’s how these trips worked. Business as usual. I can’t see Hook using this time for a little dalliance. Maybe a little R&R, like what we saw in the tavern. Beer, just chilling. But no dalliances.
I kind of agree and disagree. He took Emma back to his ship and I believe that was with the intention of sex. This Hook was pre-Emma Hook so it wouldn’t be because it was Emma as such. I don’t think Hook necessarily slept around as much as he could’ve or as much as would be expected of a pirate but I do think if a particular woman caught his eye occasionally, he might have engaged in a one night stand every now and then. Hook has been portrayed as a bit of a womaniser pre-Emma so I don’t think he was 100% celibate between Milah’s death and meeting Emma but he wasn’t putting it out there at every opportunity.
We know for sure nothing sexual happened while in Neverland. (There is Tink, but I get a more big brother/little sister vibe). Other than that, I don’t see where anything could have happened.
I disagree about the big brother/little sister vibe for the reason that in The New Neverland, after Hook had “stepped back” to allow Neal a chance with Emma, he tried it on with Tinkerbell. I don’t think that would’ve been something Hook would do towards a woman he viewed as a “little sister”.
I think something happened in Neverland between them but I don’t think it was anything deep and meaningful. Possibly a “friends with benefits” type deal?
Plus, during the lost year that Hook was separated from Emma, Once could have shown us that he had one-night stands with bar wenches. But he didn’t even do that. He remained faithful to Emma’s memory. We don’t know if that brunette Smee got for him was the first bar wench or the only one, but I like to think that every time Smee got them a girl for Hook, he just kept paying them to say they had a good time and he just hung out somewhere else for an hour.
I think that girl was probably the first, otherwise Hook was allowing his crew to waste their money repeatedly on something he had no interest in.
I like to think that when he is in truly in love with a woman, Milah or Emma, that is it for him. He’s not going to mess around with anyone else. He’s devoted and that’s not a bad quality to have in a man and or a partner.
What I think is interesting about the Hook/Milah situation in my fic is that it’s not just some random woman, it’s Milah. Of course Hook would never cheat on Emma with a random woman. But Milah was his first great love so her showing up again puts him in a spin.
What I am wary of is I don’t want it to look like Hook is pressurising Emma into sex and then getting it elsewhere because Emma won’t sleep with him then it having connotations of being “Emma’s fault”. What I’m going for is Hook gets drunk, Hook makes a bad judgement, Hook regrets it then has to deal with the consequences.
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Keeper of FelixUgh! just lost my post, dang it all!
Anyway…
hey all! Wow, the thread “exploded” over the last few days! Well, in comparison to lately. I, too, have pretty much given up on the site as a whole, the negativity is a little out of control. There’s concrit and then there’s negativity. I actually have a tumblr – and I think actually follow all/most of you! Maybe someday I’ll actually post stuff on it… And don’t forget to definitely check out everyone’s fanfiction on ff.net and ao3. Obis’ latest chapter of her current story is up — and oh my god, I’m so intrigued by how her story’s going to continue! You had me at the edge of my seat at the end! POM – interesting idea. I would warn you though, that particular storyline is going to really hit a nerve with CSers, even if that’s not the point (and I’m sure it isn’t, especially if, like you said it’s only one part of a larger storyline). Like any other ship CSers are extremely sensitive toward their characters, so there could be backlash depending on the audience. (And I only say that because I wouldn’t want you to feel attacked in any way but you know how our fandom is sometimes). If it’s well written, tight and utterly important to the overally storyline, CSers could follow but it’s a tricky line to walk. But I definitely want to know when/where you post because the idea of the story being about all of the characters, especially Henry, definitely sounds great! As to how it ends, I really don’t know. In my opinion, on the show, Milah could come strolling down the street and though Hook would be happy she’s alive, I don’t believe he’d feel there’s even a choice to be made. Emma is it. I personally could get why Emma might not want to jump into a physical relationship, but I also don’t believe for a second Hook would pressure her or be upset about that – how he treats women then and now, especially Emma, is integral to his character progression, so I don’t think he’d be unfaithful no matter the situation. Hook spent 300 years wanting to avenge Milah’s death (have a whole other opinion on that but way off topic!) – but he wasn’t celibate. Emma and Hook were never even technically in a relationship when he got sent back to the EF, but they made it clear he didn’t even look at another woman, much less ‘spend time’ with one.
Agree with Jenna.
Will write out my 2cents on the interesting discussion that is going on atm- just have to remember how I worded everything I had written :p
The discussions we used to have here, is what I miss about this place (I rarely post on tumblr, as you dont get the back & forth the same way as you do in an actual forum type situation), we had a lot of intelligent people who brought lots of new insights to scenes & plot lines, which was fun- we did have some of the most awesome conversations here before this whole forum became a pool of negativity & got a rep for being an anti-fan site :/
As an aside- why do I get “New Message” flash up on this tab, yet there is no new message on the thread or PM?
I kind of agree and disagree. He took Emma back to his ship and I believe that was with the intention of sex. This Hook was pre-Emma Hook so it wouldn’t be because it was Emma as such. I don’t think Hook necessarily slept around as much as he could’ve or as much as would be expected of a pirate but I do think if a particular woman caught his eye occasionally, he might have engaged in a one night stand every now and then. Hook has been portrayed as a bit of a womaniser pre-Emma so I don’t think he was 100% celibate between Milah’s death and meeting Emma but he wasn’t putting it out there at every opportunity.
Okay, I will accept that.
I think also, you’re writing Hook as pressuring Emma to do this activity with him and that’s really not him. Hook’s been impatient with Emma at times, but I’ve rarely see him go to Emma and use ultimatums with her on the show. That feels very Out of Character for me.
In fact, often, he’s been the very patient one, not really pressuring her to choose him. He didn’t go around in 3B, crying to Emma “Pick me!! Pick me!!Pick me!! Emma, Pick me!!” I can’t see him pushing her to have sex with him.
I think when taco or coffee time arrives on the show, it’ll come naturally for both and not because it’s something one or the other demands. That’s not how their relationship works.
Also remember, Emma herself can’t handle a lot of pressure. Remember season one when August took her on that little motorcycle trip because he was desperate to get her to believe and she broke down in front of him that this is not what she wanted. When she’s being pressured and pushed into a corner, her first instinct is to run.
I think you also have to consider that too.
On Hook’s celibacy, this has always been very difficult for me to judge because we haven’t really seen canon proof that he was ever unfaithful to Milah’s memory. Now we know he was running errands for Pan, buying cupcakes and sweets in general to keep the Lost Boy’s fed, but for all we know, that’s how these trips worked. Business as usual. I can’t see Hook using this time for a little dalliance. Maybe a little R&R, like what we saw in the tavern. Beer, just chilling. But no dalliances.
I kind of agree and disagree. He took Emma back to his ship and I believe that was with the intention of sex. This Hook was pre-Emma Hook so it wouldn’t be because it was Emma as such. I don’t think Hook necessarily slept around as much as he could’ve or as much as would be expected of a pirate but I do think if a particular woman caught his eye occasionally, he might have engaged in a one night stand every now and then. Hook has been portrayed as a bit of a womaniser pre-Emma so I don’t think he was 100% celibate between Milah’s death and meeting Emma but he wasn’t putting it out there at every opportunity.
I agree with both points- as Obisgirl mentions, there is nothing in cannon that shows Hook was actually having ‘relations’, with other women while on his quest for vengeance- yes he was… appreciating the company of women, but it doesn’t follow he was automatically sleeping with any of them either, for all we know, his reputation of being a ladies man/womaniser, came from him paying off women or even getting them drunk, to the point they simply dont remember what happened- he tell Emma “If I didn’t know any better, I’d think you’re trying to get me drunk, which is usually my tactic.” Now it is possible he was talking about ‘business’, since we all know excessive alcohol consumption lowers inhibitions, but he could have been talking about bar wenches as well- for all we know, they got drunk with him & he either left them sleeping or they simply talked until they fell asleep.
We also have the fact that when Emma walked up to Hook & Co. while they were playing dice- Hook with a women on each side of him; a few moments later we see just Hook & Emma sitting alone together drinking at the table, which means Emma walks up & a few moments later (as long as it takes for Killian to walk out of the tavern & board the JR, then stop Smee smushing a rat), Hook has sent off the others (both women included)- if it’s just a one night stands he’s interested in having, why would he bother sending off the other wenches, he’d be increasing his odds if he kept all 3 ladies with him- especially as he kept checking to see IF Emma “wanted” to go to his ship with him.The other side of me feels that it makes sense that after a decade or 2- let-a-lone a century or 2, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he could indeed have had the occasional one night stand- especially if drunk & lonely, because Milah was dead & Hook/Killian was stuck in his prime for hundreds of years… thats a long time for any man to … abstain from relations, let alone a lonely, broken hearted, widowed pirate 😉 We do have Hook say to Emma (whether truthfully or not), …”Come back with me for a night cap or shall I find someone else” …. So maybe when he got drunk & lonely, he did indeed have one nighters (& then probably felt terrible about it the next morning 😉 ). I would also parallel Emma’s story as well- after Neal, all she had was one nighters.
As far as using Emma as an example of what Hook’s actions were likely to have been, I dont feel it is a good or even ideal representation at all.
Emma & Killian have a much deeper connection than normal (she felt she could trust & even love him, to the point it scared her into double crossing him not long after meeting him) & I’m certain we will find out they are TL or SM sooner rather than later (I had this next part worded so well before & now I’m going to butcher it as badly has the previous stuff *sigh*).
Just like Snowing probably wouldn’t have risked her own life & that of her unborn baby, splitting her heart to save Charming if he wasn’t her TL, Or Regina managing to harness Light Magic thanks to Henry’s TL for her, Killian said, had he remembered Emma, “he would have gone after her”, which by default means, he would have given up his centuries long quest for vengeance, had he remembered at all, his encounter Emma that night, by the same token, Emma knew intrinsically that she would be safe with Hook- even as his worst self, then we have Killian, willing to go to the ends of the world, or time for her ….. that isnt normal, thats a whole other level of connection IMO.We know for sure nothing sexual happened while in Neverland. (There is Tink, but I get a more big brother/little sister vibe). Other than that, I don’t see where anything could have happened.I disagree about the big brother/little sister vibe for the reason that in The New Neverland, after Hook had “stepped back” to allow Neal a chance with Emma, he tried it on with Tinkerbell. I don’t think that would’ve been something Hook would do towards a woman he viewed as a “little sister”. I think something happened in Neverland between them but I don’t think it was anything deep and meaningful. Possibly a “friends with benefits” type deal?
I have to disagree to the friends with benefits thing- I dont think Tink & Hook interacted enough nor intimately enough for that to have ever happened- why would Pan let Hook form any sort of attachment with Tink & visa-versa- there is no way IMO, Pan would want Tink linked to Hook in that way, or risk her becoming more loyal to Hook, than himself.
If if they did have a friends with benefit’s kind of deal, Hook would have taken Tink with them when they left, but he didnt, so I get the feeling they encountered each other when & as Pan allowed & not a lot more, so while they didnt love each other, they had no reason to hate each other either type of relationship, so it was more of a ‘they were both simply pawns of Pan & knew it’, type of acquaintanceship.What I think is interesting about the Hook/Milah situation in my fic is that it’s not just some random woman, it’s Milah. Of course Hook would never cheat on Emma with a random woman. But Milah was his first great love so her showing up again puts him in a spin. What I am wary of is I don’t want it to look like Hook is pressurising Emma into sex and then getting it elsewhere because Emma won’t sleep with him then it having connotations of being “Emma’s fault”. What I’m going for is Hook gets drunk, Hook makes a bad judgement, Hook regrets it then has to deal with the consequences.
Bottom line for me is, Killian’s character is such, he simply wouldnt have a one night stand when it comes to Emma- Milah or no Milah, Emma & he share a special connection, & if he’s not going to have a one night stand to honour his feelings for Emma, despite the fact he isnt even officially with Emma in a romantic relationship capacity at that stage, let-a-lone ever likely to see her again, he sure as oats is not going to risk loosing her by sleeping with another women- even if he did once love her 300yrs ago, when he’s actually in a relationship with Emma.
IMO, you cant take what happened with Tink & apply it to while he’s with Emma, as Killian & Emma were not together at that stage- in fact they had only spent 2 weeks working together & while there was a super strong attraction & connection- Emma was walls all up & fighting her feelings thanks to her horrible past with Neal & having Neal right there in her face dragging all that up again for her- they were not together & Emma had given him no affirmative indication she would ever be ready for a relationship, let-a-lone with him, until she got jealous of Tink & Hook coming out of Granny’s together.
There is also a possibility (given Tink’s reaction), that Killian knew full well Tink would reject sleeping with him & thats why he asked her if she wanted to be his drinking buddy (remember it’s Tink assuming he means more than drinking & he knows, she knows, he loves Emma, as she spends so much time pointing it out to us 😉 ).Problem is, going down the “cheating” path ends in one of two ways- either Hook comes off at fault, as he just wants sex, which Emma wont give him, so he gets it elsewhere (which is just not in OUaT’s version of Hook’s nature, at all). Or Emma comes off at fault, as she is stringing him along kind of thing (which is just not Emma’s style at all).
I think the premise of your story is interesting (without the cheating part), but adding in Hook cheating on Emma (no matter who it is with), because she’s not ready for sex, is totally OOC. Killian straight up simply would not put Emma through it, as he knows she has massive trust issues & he knows it would cost him their relationship IMO. He is far to sensitive & focused on Emma’s well-being, to consider putting his own physical needs (which frankly he can deal with himself if needs be), before her emotional needs.I think also, you’re writing Hook as pressuring Emma to do this activity with him and that’s really not him. Hook’s been impatient with Emma at times, but I’ve rarely see him go to Emma and use ultimatums with her on the show. That feels very Out of Character for me.
In fact, often, he’s been the very patient one, not really pressuring her to choose him. He didn’t go around in 3B, crying to Emma “Pick me!! Pick me!!Pick me!! Emma, Pick me!!” I can’t see him pushing her to have sex with him.
I think when taco or coffee time arrives on the show, it’ll come naturally for both and not because it’s something one or the other demands. That’s not how their relationship works.
Also remember, Emma herself can’t handle a lot of pressure. Remember season one when August took her on that little motorcycle trip because he was desperate to get her to believe and she broke down in front of him that this is not what she wanted. When she’s being pressured and pushed into a corner, her first instinct is to run.
I think you also have to consider that too.
I can see your point. Okay, I can rework that. How about, instead of Hook cheating on Emma with Milah, Milah thinks Emma has stolen her man since Hook told her that he has moved on with Emma?
I have to disagree to the friends with benefits thing- I dont think Tink & Hook interacted enough nor intimately enough for that to have ever happened- why would Pan let Hook form any sort of attachment with Tink & visa-versa- there is no way IMO, Pan would want Tink linked to Hook in that way, or risk her becoming more loyal to Hook, than himself.
If if they did have a friends with benefit’s kind of deal, Hook would have taken Tink with them when they left, but he didnt, so I get the feeling they encountered each other when & as Pan allowed & not a lot more, so while they didnt love each other, they had no reason to hate each other either type of relationship, so it was more of a ‘they were both simply pawns of Pan & knew it’, type of acquaintanceship.I can accept that theory.
Problem is, going down the “cheating” path ends in one of two ways- either Hook comes off at fault, as he just wants sex, which Emma wont give him, so he gets it elsewhere (which is just not in OUaT’s version of Hook’s nature, at all). Or Emma comes off at fault, as she is stringing him along kind of thing (which is just not Emma’s style at all).
Yeah I want to avoid that.
I think the premise of your story is interesting (without the cheating part), but adding in Hook cheating on Emma (no matter who it is with), because she’s not ready for sex, is totally OOC. Killian straight up simply would not put Emma through it, as he knows she has massive trust issues & he knows it would cost him their relationship IMO. He is far to sensitive & focused on Emma’s well-being, to consider putting his own physical needs (which frankly he can deal with himself if needs be), before her emotional needs.
This has been really helpful.
What do you think about, instead of Hook cheating on Emma with Milah, Milah thinks Emma has stolen her man since Hook told her that he has moved on with Emma?
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