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I know there probably isn’t anyone here, but I thought I’d pop in and post anyway (it took me forever to find this thread again, though).
I’ve been avoiding the forums, if I’m honest, but I did cave last night and replied to another thread, so I might as well open the flood gates. I do miss this thread tho.
In 3B Emma wasn’t interested romantically yet Hook kept pushing then suddenly at the end Emma is suddenly kissing him.
I don’t believe that’s true. Before they were parted at the townline, there were inklings. Emma was getting jealous of Tinkerbell. She even asked David if he was trying to keep her away from Hook by setting her up with Neal. A whole year passes before she gets her memories again and in that time she’s been going out with someone else, she doesn’t remember her feelings for Hook until she drinks the restorative. That would be pretty weird, to suddenly remember who that person is in front of you and remember that maybe you did have feelings for him. So I totally understand she was a little distant with him in 3B. Having said that, she still included him in all their dealings with the Wicked Witch, even sought him out to look after Henry. I don’t think that’s pursuing, I think that’s being a friend. And I think the reason they became friends so easily was b/c of Emma’s feelings for him.
But, I’m glad TLK didn’t work too. Although it was nice to see Emma try it in Camelot, as she was thinking the same thing. It doesn’t look like Hook will fall too easily into darkness with her though. It would be easy if he was still that selfish villain to just be with her, not caring about anything else.
Just on a side note, I am a massive fan of the Hook/Belle friendship. There’s just something about those two that I like and it could be the fact that she calls him Killian. She sees the man and not the villain who in his desperation had tried to kill her.
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I know there probably isn’t anyone here, but I thought I’d pop in and post anyway (it took me forever to find this thread again, though).
I got over all the crap on these forums, but I do miss the fun conversations & good people that used to frequent this wonderful thread. I’ll just pop my 2 cents in for what they are worth 😉
There’s been some talk about how CS can’t be True Love now since the kiss didn’t break the Dark One curse
I actually went back & rewatched the failed RumpleBelle TKL, because Emma “feeling woozy” & not being entirely steady on her feet after her TLK attempt was niggling at my brain …. turns out neither was Rumple when the TLK started to work on him when Belle tried it. We couldn’t see if Emma’s TLK attempt had an effect or not because Emma isn’t all scaly or sparkly.
For all we know it had actually started to work, but when Killian pulled away & asked if she was OK, Emma didn’t kiss him again to finish removing it because her desire for the power kicked in again- which would mean the dark one curse would quickly over take her again, just like it did with Rumple.
It makes sense that by the time we are SB & Killian tried to TLK Emma that it doesnt work- as just like Rumple- Emma’s addiction to the power is stronger for her love of Killian…. otherwise TLK would have broken Rumple’s DO curse one of the many, many times we’ve seen Rumple & Belle kiss already.
It feels like the writers have tried to fast track CS into true love status without giving it proper set up.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA- totally disagree with this statement- good lord! CS is the slowest moving ship on Once:
Snowing ~ married, established TL status, has 2 kids & a grandchild.
Rumbelle ~ married, establised TL status.
OutlawQueen ~ established Soul-mates, are dating & having sex (don’t know their living arrangements yet)
CaptainSwan ~ dating & kissing …..
They are taking their time to SHOW us a new fairy tale romance.
To call or even suggest CS is “fast-moving” is laughable. They have known each other for a good 2yrs now- Killian has known Emma for 3 (since he didn’t forget a year), so the fact they are still only at first base means they are taking it slow by anyone’s standards.
Throughout season 2, Hook’s behaviour has been very self-centred, so long as he was alright he didn’t give a crap about anyone else.
Given he was supposed to be a villain he wasn’t exactly meant to be the poster child for virtuousness now was he :p
In Neverland he and Neal were in a tug of war over Emma, even though Emma told them to pack it in, yet Hook just kept pushing and not in the good way. (Admittedly during the early part of the Neverland arc, I kept going back and forth between Hook and Neal over who would be the better man for Emma).
Actually she didn’t tell them to pack it in until the end & both pretty much did after that.
Emma was flirting with Hook & Hook genuinely wanted to get to know Emma- hardly a crime. The problem with Neal is Emma didn’t want to be around him… again, she loved him, but being around him hurt her too deeply, that isn’t Hook’s fault.
In 3B Emma wasn’t interested romantically yet Hook kept pushing then suddenly at the end Emma is suddenly kissing him.
That’s not correct- Emma was inviting him in, she acted flirty a couple of times with him, she asked him to watch Henry & they bantered. They developed their friendship even further.
Killian was more concerned with Emma wanting to run away from SB, her family & him. It’s not like Emma told him to back off- she chose to give up her magic to save him etc. Again not a crime.
CS doesn’t feel like it should be romantic quite yet, it seems like the getting to know each other phase has been missed out
This opinion has been entirely disproven on the show as well- from S2 through to S4 we’ve seen Emma & Killian learning about each other & often simply “knowing” how the other feels/thinks/needs/ having S1 Snowing level intuition about the other (most of your problems seem to be a misinterpretation of 3B Hook- he knew Emma was hiding from her feelings about everything- home, family, friendships & yes him- she could have straight up told him “I’m not interested” but she didn’t, because she was, she just could come out & admit it to herself as she was scared of it, them & him being taken away if she did- like Snowing, Emma & Killy tend to know when the other is lying, hiding things or what the other is feeling )- we’ve seen them seek each other out for comfort & advice- Emma likes to go to the docks to think these days (Hook’s haunt) & Killian’s often seen in Granny’s thinking (Emma’s haunt). We’ve seen them go on their 1st date, just hanging out together, having lunch, coffee or drinks together or even just dropping lunch off for the other etc. We’ve actually seen more of them just being “friends” (1 & bit seasons), than we have them being more than friends ( 3/4 of a single season). They are actually slower then Snowing or Rumbelle when it comes to “showing” them getting to know each other- we’ve had 3 seasons of it now & have only been together for less than 1 of those 3!
Hook’s just been chasing Emma until she’s given in
If thats the case- Charming chased Snow until she gave in- Rumple chased Milah until she caved in- Rumple entrapped Belle until she gave in- Neal took advantage of Emma until she gave in- Robin chased Regina until she gave in *rolls eyes*
I must admit I loved that Killian walked away from Dark Swans advances as well (at least in that instance), it shows how much he values, respects & loves Emma that he wouldn’t take advantage of her despite how willing she is, while feeling she is not in her right mind & could regret it later.
I also felt very sorry for Emma being lonely & on the outside looking again- it’s like she’s regressed back to S1E01 Emma- all alone & unable to bring herself to genuinely let people in again 🙁
The biggest kick in the guts for me was seeing both of the tables in her house only having 2 chairs each- I seriously hope the DO curse gets broken by midseason- but I have a feeling they’ll draw it out until the season finale :/
@surayya, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I don’t dislike CS, there is some episodes throughout the series where I do think Hook and Emma would be good together eg Tallahassee where the chemistry between them was sizzling, however I’m not feeling the deep connection between Emma and Hook yet.
It’s not as bad as OQ which I feel is a completely shallow relationship with no emotional connection yet we are being told it’s true love and “soulmates”. What we’re being told is not what we’re seeing on screen.
CS has potential, but I don’t think that potential has quite been reached yet. If Emma did have feelings for Hook, I think the writers needed to make that more clear using Emma’s character rather than playing on the ambiguous “does she/doesn’t she” side. They should have made it clear that Emma does have feelings for Hook but is too afraid to admit it to him so it then becomes “will she/won’t she”.
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Keeper of FelixI guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Not really anything else can be done when one is misinterpreting what the story has clearly shown to be true- for instance I saw on another site yesterday a small group of people that can’t seem to get over the fact that Belle & Hook are friends now, so simply refuse to see the friendship & are all shocked at why they are talking to each other, despite the fact that that the show has clearly shown their friendship to be cannon since S4 at the very least.
It’s no different with you & CS from what I’m reading- If you don’t want to see it (or choose not to), you won’t & you’ll be disappointed &/or shocked at it happening, those that are following the story being told aren’t disappointed or shocked, as it’s all laid out for them so of no surprise.CS has potential, but I don’t think that potential has quite been reached yet. If Emma did have feelings for Hook, I think the writers needed to make that more clear using Emma’s character rather than playing on the ambiguous “does she/doesn’t she” side. They should have made it clear that Emma does have feelings for Hook but is too afraid to admit it to him so it then becomes “will she/won’t she”.
Of course the potential of CS hasn’t been reached yet- it’s a story still in the process of being told, it took over 2 seasons for them to go a date & they haven’t moved past hand holding, french kissing & “I love you” yet, it’s a story very much in its infancy still.
Maybe you just need to rewatch the scenes you are misinterpreting & look at them in a new context or with fresh eyes… there was very little ‘will they/won’t they’ going on in 3B- most of the time Hook was trying to get her to talk & open up about running away- Emma was the one jumping to “them” most of the time- the few times he tried to get answers on where “they” stood- Emma wouldnt give him a yes or no, she’d listen, give him sass, change the subject, flirt or walk off, if it was deep/hitting close to home, she’d pull back & walk off, then next scene or episode she’s back to pairing up with him again or flirting with him- by mid 3B it was her telling Killian she “wanted more”, so they had Emma flat out stating some of what you are saying you couldn’t see & they should have done, in the actual show from 3B to mid S4- so it’s hard to get clearer than that.
I will be blunt here- there is no “IF” Emma has feelings for Hook, saying “if” is flat out ignoring cannon & the story being presented each week- it makes as much sense as saying IF Snow has feelings for Charming or IF Belle has feelings for Rumple, it is an irrelevant statement to make as the show is perfectly up front on all of the main 4 couples feelings for one another- they have them otherwise they wouldn’t be the 4 main couples.
The story itself (kissing, spending time with one another/dating, risking their lives to save the other, seeking each other out, jealous of close opposit sex friendships, Emma telling Hook she cares about him & is scared of losing him if she admits her feelings, Emma telling both Hook & AR Regina she loves Hook) is more than perfectly clear that she has “feelings.”But like you say- agree to disagree.
Not really anything else can be done when one is misinterpreting what the story has clearly shown to be true- for instance I saw on another site yesterday a small group of people that can’t seem to get over the fact that Belle & Hook are friends now, so simply refuse to see the friendship & are all shocked at why they are talking to each other, despite the fact that that the show has clearly shown their friendship to be cannon since S4 at the very least.
Oh on that (and yes I know this thread isn’t a Hook/Belle thread but) I read people are thinking Hook and Belle are going to get together! No no no. How do people even think that??? Hook had just said he’s going to spend at least a century trying to save the woman he loves. He is definitely not one to get over his loves very easily.
actually went back & rewatched the failed RumpleBelle TKL, because Emma “feeling woozy” & not being entirely steady on her feet after her TLK attempt was niggling at my brain …. turns out neither was Rumple when the TLK started to work on him when Belle tried it. We couldn’t see if Emma’s TLK attempt had an effect or not because Emma isn’t all scaly or sparkly.
That’s a good point. The first time I watched it I didn’t realise it was supposed to be TLK, I just thought it was a way to get rid of the darkness talking to her, since hugging Killian worked the day before. But yes, why else would she kiss him if not to rid her of the darkness totally. And you’re right, I think it did start to work. Maybe if Killian hadn’t broken it off so soon, Emma may have had a chance to really get into it and let the light take over, she wanted more when he pulled back.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
Oh on that (and yes I know this thread isn’t a Hook/Belle thread but) I read people are thinking Hook and Belle are going to get together! No no no. How do people even think that??? Hook had just said he’s going to spend at least a century trying to save the woman he loves. He is definitely not one to get over his loves very easily.
Yeah, I saw some comments like that as well- I just don’t get how some people arrive at those kinds of conclusions, it takes a whole other level of not grasping reality to arrive at that conclusion from those scenes lol :p
Maybe if Killian hadn’t broken it off so soon, Emma may have had a chance to really get into it and let the light take over, she wanted more when he pulled back.
Agreed! Just this once it’d have been nice for Killian to just ‘go with it’ & not worry about where Emma is at lol :p But I guess then we wouldn’t have the 5A/5B? arc, so of course they were going to throw obstacles in the way of & change the rules slightly to prevent TLK working (which is why I guess they haven’t had Henry TLK her- wondering if we’ll see him attempt it during the 6weeks or not), otherwise it’d be a terribly short season & pointless arc :p
I just want to chime in and say I agree that CS is one of the more slow moving and naturally progressing ships – ie it doesn’t feel forced at all. Some of my favorite CS moments are when they are bonding over insights into each other’s history/family and learning more about one another. For example when Emma is going through her childhood things and they watch the video of her as a teen together, or when they watch Snow and Charming fall in love and Emma gets emotional and hook tells her its okay. They also have some fun moments where they tease each other like Emma joking that Killian was a kid a thousand years ago and he has to correct her (it was more like 200) or when she is practicing magic and takes his hook. Finally, they actually went out on a normal date together, pretty rare for this show. IDK, I adore CS and am okay that TLK didn’t work to break the DO curse. TLK is a bit overdone anyway for this series.
"To leave an enemy without an answer, say these words to him: Aglaria Pidhol garia Ananus Qepta" and blow in his direction; then he will not know which way he is headed and cannot answer you." - Swedish Trollproverb
I know there probably isn’t anyone here, but I thought I’d pop in and post anyway (it took me forever to find this thread again, though).
I got over all the crap on these forums, but I do miss the fun conversations & good people that used to frequent this wonderful thread. I’ll just pop my 2 cents in for what they are worth
There’s been some talk about how CS can’t be True Love now since the kiss didn’t break the Dark One curse
I actually went back & rewatched the failed RumpleBelle TKL, because Emma “feeling woozy” & not being entirely steady on her feet after her TLK attempt was niggling at my brain …. turns out neither was Rumple when the TLK started to work on him when Belle tried it. We couldn’t see if Emma’s TLK attempt had an effect or not because Emma isn’t all scaly or sparkly. For all we know it had actually started to work, but when Killian pulled away & asked if she was OK, Emma didn’t kiss him again to finish removing it because her desire for the power kicked in again- which would mean the dark one curse would quickly over take her again, just like it did with Rumple. It makes sense that by the time we are SB & Killian tried to TLK Emma that it doesnt work- as just like Rumple- Emma’s addiction to the power is stronger for her love of Killian…. otherwise TLK would have broken Rumple’s DO curse one of the many, many times we’ve seen Rumple & Belle kiss already.
It feels like the writers have tried to fast track CS into true love status without giving it proper set up.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA- totally disagree with this statement- good lord! CS is the slowest moving ship on Once: Snowing ~ married, established TL status, has 2 kids & a grandchild. Rumbelle ~ married, establised TL status. OutlawQueen ~ established Soul-mates, are dating & having sex (don’t know their living arrangements yet) CaptainSwan ~ dating & kissing ….. They are taking their time to SHOW us a new fairy tale romance. To call or even suggest CS is “fast-moving” is laughable. They have known each other for a good 2yrs now- Killian has known Emma for 3 (since he didn’t forget a year), so the fact they are still only at first base means they are taking it slow by anyone’s standards.
Throughout season 2, Hook’s behaviour has been very self-centred, so long as he was alright he didn’t give a crap about anyone else.
Given he was supposed to be a villain he wasn’t exactly meant to be the poster child for virtuousness now was he :p
In Neverland he and Neal were in a tug of war over Emma, even though Emma told them to pack it in, yet Hook just kept pushing and not in the good way. (Admittedly during the early part of the Neverland arc, I kept going back and forth between Hook and Neal over who would be the better man for Emma).
Actually she didn’t tell them to pack it in until the end & both pretty much did after that. Emma was flirting with Hook & Hook genuinely wanted to get to know Emma- hardly a crime. The problem with Neal is Emma didn’t want to be around him… again, she loved him, but being around him hurt her too deeply, that isn’t Hook’s fault.
In 3B Emma wasn’t interested romantically yet Hook kept pushing then suddenly at the end Emma is suddenly kissing him.
That’s not correct- Emma was inviting him in, she acted flirty a couple of times with him, she asked him to watch Henry & they bantered. They developed their friendship even further. Killian was more concerned with Emma wanting to run away from SB, her family & him. It’s not like Emma told him to back off- she chose to give up her magic to save him etc. Again not a crime.
CS doesn’t feel like it should be romantic quite yet, it seems like the getting to know each other phase has been missed out
This opinion has been entirely disproven on the show as well- from S2 through to S4 we’ve seen Emma & Killian learning about each other & often simply “knowing” how the other feels/thinks/needs/ having S1 Snowing level intuition about the other (most of your problems seem to be a misinterpretation of 3B Hook- he knew Emma was hiding from her feelings about everything- home, family, friendships & yes him- she could have straight up told him “I’m not interested” but she didn’t, because she was, she just could come out & admit it to herself as she was scared of it, them & him being taken away if she did- like Snowing, Emma & Killy tend to know when the other is lying, hiding things or what the other is feeling )- we’ve seen them seek each other out for comfort & advice- Emma likes to go to the docks to think these days (Hook’s haunt) & Killian’s often seen in Granny’s thinking (Emma’s haunt). We’ve seen them go on their 1st date, just hanging out together, having lunch, coffee or drinks together or even just dropping lunch off for the other etc. We’ve actually seen more of them just being “friends” (1 & bit seasons), than we have them being more than friends ( 3/4 of a single season). They are actually slower then Snowing or Rumbelle when it comes to “showing” them getting to know each other- we’ve had 3 seasons of it now & have only been together for less than 1 of those 3!
Hook’s just been chasing Emma until she’s given in
If thats the case- Charming chased Snow until she gave in- Rumple chased Milah until she caved in- Rumple entrapped Belle until she gave in- Neal took advantage of Emma until she gave in- Robin chased Regina until she gave in *rolls eyes* I must admit I loved that Killian walked away from Dark Swans advances as well (at least in that instance), it shows how much he values, respects & loves Emma that he wouldn’t take advantage of her despite how willing she is, while feeling she is not in her right mind & could regret it later. I also felt very sorry for Emma being lonely & on the outside looking again- it’s like she’s regressed back to S1E01 Emma- all alone & unable to bring herself to genuinely let people in again
The biggest kick in the guts for me was seeing both of the tables in her house only having 2 chairs each- I seriously hope the DO curse gets broken by midseason- but I have a feeling they’ll draw it out until the season finale :/Yay that this thread is back up and chatting! And yes, totally agreed with everything in that quote (also love that idea that perhaps Emma was feeling a bit woozy because the kiss WAS having an impact).
Also, totally agree with the following, as my husband and I thought the exact same thing when we watched the first time. Figured she was just trying to make DO/Imaginary Rumple go away, didn’t realize it was also her attempt at a TLK. (we can be a little slow at times….)
Not really anything else can be done when one is misinterpreting what the story has clearly shown to be true- for instance I saw on another site yesterday a small group of people that can’t seem to get over the fact that Belle & Hook are friends now, so simply refuse to see the friendship & are all shocked at why they are talking to each other, despite the fact that that the show has clearly shown their friendship to be cannon since S4 at the very least.
Oh on that (and yes I know this thread isn’t a Hook/Belle thread but) I read people are thinking Hook and Belle are going to get together! No no no. How do people even think that??? Hook had just said he’s going to spend at least a century trying to save the woman he loves. He is definitely not one to get over his loves very easily.
actually went back & rewatched the failed RumpleBelle TKL, because Emma “feeling woozy” & not being entirely steady on her feet after her TLK attempt was niggling at my brain …. turns out neither was Rumple when the TLK started to work on him when Belle tried it. We couldn’t see if Emma’s TLK attempt had an effect or not because Emma isn’t all scaly or sparkly.
That’s a good point. The first time I watched it I didn’t realise it was supposed to be TLK, I just thought it was a way to get rid of the darkness talking to her, since hugging Killian worked the day before. But yes, why else would she kiss him if not to rid her of the darkness totally. And you’re right, I think it did start to work. Maybe if Killian hadn’t broken it off so soon, Emma may have had a chance to really get into it and let the light take over, she wanted more when he pulled back.
I’ve read quite a few really good/cool theories for where this story arc may be going, or what these early eps may be setting up, and while I’m trying (really hard) not to get my fragile shipper hopes up too high for that CS TLK the shippers have all been waiting for, I’m hoping that if they’ve made two failed attempts in only the second episode of the season (which I suppose was also a call-back to Hook’s failed attempt in S3, as well as adding to that “rule of three” for not only the season but an ultimate 3rd try for Hook in the near future…?), that we’re actually getting that final confirmation that they are in fact TL (cue Timeless in the background). Regardless though, the hubby and I have been super intrigued by how this season is starting off, and are very excited to see how this story will play out!
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Also, totally agree with the following, as my husband and I thought the exact same thing when we watched the first time. Figured she was just trying to make DO/Imaginary Rumple go away, didn’t realize it was also her attempt at a TLK. (we can be a little slow at times….)
Right! After I rewatched that scene I noticed how desperate Emma seemed, as if hoping beyond hope the kiss would stop it. Imaginary Rumple even teased her saying she must have liked the power otherwise that kiss would have stopped her arm from being all glittery.
"To leave an enemy without an answer, say these words to him: Aglaria Pidhol garia Ananus Qepta" and blow in his direction; then he will not know which way he is headed and cannot answer you." - Swedish Trollproverb
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I didn’t think of their kiss in Camelot being an attempt at TLK either, but that is a fantastic thought. The only problem I have with the thought that if they had kept the kiss going it would’ve worked, is this: with every other TLK in canon (except for Rumbelle’s in Skin Deep, which I can forgive because it was Season 1 and they were still working out the guidelines of magic for the show), we’ve had instantaneous gratification (short kiss, rainbow fwoosh, curse=broken). The length/intensity of the kiss hasn’t mattered in the past, so why should it now?
(Unless we’re gonna go with the explanation that TLK just works differently on the Dark One Curse, in that it takes more time for the True Love magic to turn a person light again since said person houses the embodiment of Evil and if they choose power over love at any point from getting TLKed to being completely un-cursed then it will reverse the process.)
The biggest kick in the guts for me was seeing both of the tables in her house only having 2 chairs each- I seriously hope the DO curse gets broken by midseason- but I have a feeling they’ll draw it out until the season finale :/
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