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I didn’t think of their kiss in Camelot being an attempt at TLK either, but that is a fantastic thought. The only problem I have with the thought that if they had kept the kiss going it would’ve worked, is this: with every other TLK in canon (except for Rumbelle’s in Skin Deep, which I can forgive because it was Season 1 and they were still working out the guidelines of magic for the show), we’ve had instantaneous gratification (short kiss, rainbow fwoosh, curse=broken). The length/intensity of the kiss hasn’t mattered in the past, so why should it now?
Yes, but there’s no reason why they can’t use that longer version of the Rumbelle kiss as canon to break a Dark One’s curse. You really have to want to lose the Darkness, whereas the others have been for waking up whether from sleep or false memories. The ‘sleeping’ person really has no capacity to think about what’s happening. And it seems most of the time it’s a surprise. Charming waking Snow wasn’t expected, neither was Emma waking Henry/waking up the town, and Regina’s kiss on Henry to break Snow’s curse wasn’t expected, everyone thought it had to be Emma and Henry. The only time (I remember) it wasn’t a surprise was when David was under the sleeping curse and Snow knew she could wake him up, but I guess they’ve already been established as TLK. You put Hook or Emma under a sleeping curse and I bet they’d wake up to TLK. (I do hope that doesn’t happen tho)
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I haven’t checked the thread/site in forever, but I was missing all of you so much I had to check…and I’m so happy to see chatter! I want to take some time later to really read all of your posts thoroughly and reply, but I did have to jump on and say Hiiii!! I’m seeing some great insight just skimming so I can’t wait until later when I can really read and think about all your thoughts on our Princess and her Pirate!
so glad to see everyone.
There’s been some talk about how CS can’t be True Love now since the kiss didn’t break the Dark One curse,
I might be in the minority, but I do not think of being the Dark One a Curse? And if not, then it stands to reason that the TLK would not work.
Just on a side note, I am a massive fan of the Hook/Belle friendship. There’s just something about those two that I like and it could be the fact that she calls him Killian. She sees the man and not the villain who in his desperation had tried to kill her.
me too!
Also, I LOVED that Killian didn’t stay with Emma after the kiss. I think that’s such a great illustration of how much his character has grown (Season 2 Hook would have stayed, I’m pretty sure).
YES! He wants Emma and her love, not the Dark One and her lust! He’s in it for the ‘long haul.’
Haven’t posted here forever either but thought I would pop in and share my TLK/curse theory as well.
I think that both people have to be fully committed to being against the curse and 100% invested in the other person. If someone doesn’t have their memory than they can’t be 100% invested in the other person. Oddly, I actually think BOTH these things are the problem right now. Just like we saw when Belle first kissed Rumple, the Dark One power embraces the curse. So even though EMMA really does love Killian, because a part of her is being controlled by the Dark One power she can’t be fully committed to being against the curse even when SHE wants to be. And for Killian, even though he really does love Emma, because she is currently the reigning Dark One (and as we saw he has chosen NOT to give into her when she is being controlled by the Dark One) he cannot be 100% invested in who Emma currently is right now. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t love Emma Swan as much as he always has and isn’t willing to fight for her as much as he always has been. It just means that when he kisses Emma now, he knows that she is not really HIS Emma at the moment so he can’t be 100% invested in her – hence the reason he was able to walk out the door when she invited him to stay at her house. It makes him all the more aware that he needs to find a way to destroy the Dark One power and save HIS Emma.
Screwball has an interesting essay on the Hook/Belle friendship
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/130921026581/belle-and-hook-bffs-prompt-anon-belle-and
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Keeper of FelixScrewball has an interesting essay on the Hook/Belle friendship
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/130921026581/belle-and-hook-bffs-prompt-anon-belle-and
Not a bad essay. I don’t quite understand why people have so much issue with Belle forgiving Hook. Do they forget there was that whole six weeks of them working together to free the fairies? Just because it wasn’t shown to the audience doesn’t mean they haven’t had time to hash out their friendship. That’s a long time to work together, to get to know each other, to talk about Rumple. They wouldn’t have been working in silence for all that time. Can’t we just assume they’ve made up and developed quite a good friendship in the time we haven’t seen? Which I think is totally believable and not out of character for either of them. Hook and Belle are still really regarded as the outsiders in the little hero troupe. Belle is only called upon when they want something. Hook is really only tolerated because he’s seeing Emma. (Notice so far, Hook only sits with the Charmings when Emma is around) I think it’s nice that Hook and Belle have bonded and found a friend in each other. Anyway, I need to stop talking about Hook and Belle in a CaptainSwan thread 🙂
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This thread is alive?
I poped in because I know the rating news are here rather quick and imagine my suprise when I saw this thread acctive.
I miss you guys too but the CS hate on this forum is of the charts and sometimes it’s better to drop the thing that you know won’t change. I practically live on tumblr right now, write fanfiction, enjoy the show how it is.:)
Just because it wasn’t shown to the audience doesn’t mean they haven’t had time to hash out their friendship.
Can’t we just assume they’ve made up and developed quite a good friendship in the time we haven’t seen? Which I think is totally believable and not out of character for either of them.
I think this is the main sticking point for most people. It wasn’t shown to us. What we saw before with Hook doesn’t translate with what we’re seeing now. There was no bridge between point A and point B. If the writers want us to believe this is a genuine friendship, they needed to build it up on-screen. Not just go “Hook and Belle are friends now. How did they get to that point? We don’t know, we’ll just do a time skip and let the audience make up their own version of events”. That’s just lazy writing.
When Hook was helping Belle in the library, he did show some genuine friendly feelings towards her. For example, when Belle was getting upset that maybe her relationship with Rumple had been a lie all along, Hook reassured her that, despite Rumple’s faults, he did genuinely love her. That is a big step for Hook as he didn’t have to do that. He’s Rumple’s enemy so it would be so easy for him to badmouth him yet there he is saying that Rumple’s feeling for Belle were the real deal. I admit I’m not Hook’s biggest fan, but in that moment there I was like “good on you Hook”. The writers missed an opportunity there. They could’ve extended the scene after Hook tells Belle that Rumple’s love was genuine and have Hook sincerely apologise to Belle for hurting her when he was trying to get to Rumple. Right there with a few extra lines of dialogue and probably two minutes of extra screen time, you’ve removed a major reason people dislike the CaptainBeauty friendship.
We’ve not seen Hook genuinely apologise on screen for his behaviour towards Belle in season 2. His sarcastic little apology in season 3 didn’t cut it. You’re right that Belle and Hook worked six weeks together and they must’ve talked about something, for all we know Hook could’ve been on his hands and knees begging for Belle’s forgiveness. However, we need to see it on screen for it to count or at the very least be referenced as something that happened off screen with a line of dialogue. Would it really be so hard to have a character question the friendship then either Belle or Hook say that Hook apologised and all is forgiven?
When a character hurts another character (like Hook did to Belle in season 2), there needs to be a conclusion. Either an apology then forgiveness or revenge. It shouldn’t just be brushed aside then everything be hunky dory. We haven’t had a conclusion because the writers were too lazy to write one.
I’m actually not opposed to a CaptainBeauty friendship because, ironically, apart from Rumple, Hook is the only one of the “hero” gang that actually treats Belle as a person rather than just as a walking talking help point. I’m not going to lie, I do still have issues with Hook, but his friendship with Belle isn’t one of them. I just think the writers need to expand on the intricacies of that friendship.
If it’s any consolation Hook is not my least favourite character. That honour goes to Regina because of her double standards and hypocrisy, closely followed by Robin because of his uselessness and the fact his main purpose is just to be Regina’s love interest, then in third place it’s Hook though that is dependent on the episode as I like him better in some episodes than others, he is a very divisive character for me. You know that Regina has become unlikeable when you’re rooting for Zelena.
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Keeper of Felix@PoM – I see where you’re coming from. I guess I just don’t mind not seeing that kind of stuff. I’m quite happy to assume. Well, yes that apology in S3 was pretty sarcastic, but as they say ‘actions speak louder than words’ Hook stayed to protect Belle, and even *went back* to protect her after he’d let Neal go from the hospital. It may not have been a massive grovelling apology, but it was a start. He also did say ‘this will be my way of making it up to you’ that I think was genuine.
I’ve always liked Hook bad boy, jerk and all, so I’m very biased. I never liked Belle, she just seemed to be Rumple’s love interest, but I will say I have changed my mind about her and am firmly in the Belle camp now. Regina I’ve always found a bit meh. She was absolutely horrible is season one, however I can see she is trying to change. But I’m totally with you with Robin, he does seem pretty useless. Maybe that might change later on. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
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Hi CS shippers! Sunday’s episode was a bit rocky for captainswan and I would like to get other CS shippers’ opinions on that jolly roger scene. Do you think Dark!Emma was just manipulating Hook or was she really torn? On that last line where she says “it is your ship” she seems like she is holding back tears and I hope it was genuine emotion, but then that scene with imaginary rumple had me questioning it. Thoughts?? Also what do you think of Hook’s reaction? “I loved you”.. I wish he didn’t use the past tense, it was a bit harsh and sad 🙁 He can still read her like a book though and see that she is after something. I think Emma will need love to be pulled back from the darkness so I wish Henry and Hook wouldn’t put up walls, but rather continue trying/interacting with her and remind her of her past self.
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