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Keeper of FelixAnd the hiatus begins! What are your thoughts shipmates?
The mid-season finale had some ups and downs and definitely left me scratching my head about some of the unanswered questions from the season…but my god that scene with Emma killing hook and then being just devastated holding him. OOOOh the feels. Especially when they take his body away and Emma is holding his hand….Sorry crying again.
I’m excited they are going to the UW to get hook back and see what happens. I am really hoping there will be some great snark between Hades and Hook. I want the season to end with Emma and Hook back and finally enjoying that lovely house. That girl needs a break and some RnR.
"To leave an enemy without an answer, say these words to him: Aglaria Pidhol garia Ananus Qepta" and blow in his direction; then he will not know which way he is headed and cannot answer you." - Swedish Trollproverb
oooh also, I just read this wonderful review of the mid-season finale! Here is a sample:
“No, we had to see this character hit rock bottom to be able to appreciate his arc, to be able to understand how his redemption is not just about Emma, it’s about who he wanted to be all along. She’s not the reason he changed, she’s the reason he decided he could.”
– http://fangirlish.com/onceuponatime-swan-song-review/
"To leave an enemy without an answer, say these words to him: Aglaria Pidhol garia Ananus Qepta" and blow in his direction; then he will not know which way he is headed and cannot answer you." - Swedish Trollproverb
oooh also, I just read this wonderful review of the mid-season finale! Here is a sample: “No, we had to see this character hit rock bottom to be able to appreciate his arc, to be able to understand how his redemption is not just about Emma, it’s about who he wanted to be all along. She’s not the reason he changed, she’s the reason he decided he could.” – http://fangirlish.com/onceuponatime-swan-song-review/
Great article, thank you so much for posting!
Wow, I haven’t been to the forums for a while either, glad to see there is some bit of life back in the Captain Swan thread! 🙂
This first half of the season was pretty amazing, not only as CS shipper, but I found it to have some pretty strong writing/stories in general. Even the new characters seemed to be far better integrated and made for some really interesting b-stories while still keeping focus on our core group (seems like they learned a bit from last season). I’m going to hold out hope that we get some more resolution to those Merida/Camelot story lines in the back half, because they seemed to setup some really interesting ideas that are now just lingering out there unresolved (I really want the Lady of the Lake to come back into play at some point, because seriously, what happened to Lancelot?!). And while yes, the seeming retcon or revisionist history some of the episodes had were quite frustrating, I found them easier to forgive as the rest of the story was so entertaining and engaging. Some nice twists/reveals for which I’m really looking forward to a rewatch of this first half to see how it all fit into place.
And lastly, just looking back on some of the older posts from this season, definitely agree with the following quote.
This thread is a little dead, but it seems people have been scared off the forum, which is a shame. I LOVED Hook’s reaction to Henry’s crush. Absolutely perfect. It made me giggle so much. Then more pain when you see how happy Emma and Hook are and compare to what happened last week. Does Emma remember all the horse riding and flowers and declarations of not giving up on them? (I assume so) And she gets a cold Hook dealing with a Dark One last week. Poor Emma, I just want to give her a hug. Bits of the ep I wasn’t too keen about, but I did like the idea that Camelot is an illusion. It still is a broken kingdom. I had a thought the other day while watching bits of the S4A arc final. Eddy/Adam (not sure which one) had mentioned S5B arc would be “hell”. In the S4A final Hook tells Gold something about the Dark One not being so fortunate in the next life. Rumple answers that Hook will have a long wait among the fire and brimstone (for that next life). The Dark One is in its ‘next life’, please don’t tell me Hook is going to hell. Hopefully I’ve just joined dots that aren’t there.
I also love that reference, I totally forgot about that exchange between Hook and Rumple! With all this going to the underworld and Rumple taking back his DO mantle, I really do wonder if this is the final season. I know it’s been speculated before, but now that Emma has seemingly come to the end of her journey (accepting being a mother, daughter, magic wielder/savior, finding TL and now going through hell to get him back) and sort of facing off against Gold/Rumpelstiltskin again ala S1, I wonder if this is that ultimate battle between good and evil, light and dark, ending with the “big bad” of the series finally being defeated? Either way, it’s going to be a fun ride with so many of our favorite baddies coming back to play for the second half!
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Okay season thoughts. I really liked this first half. There were issues and some plot holes and some ‘what the…, how tdid that happen?’ kind of moments, but I don’t really care about that stuff if I’ve been caught up with the storyline. By the time Excalibur was put back together I was getting a little frustrated that Emma hadn’t revealed her plan yet, but the pay off came very quickly after that. And if I re-watch the whole half season again (which no doubt I will) it won’t seem as long without the week-long wait between episodes.
I loved the Dark Hook twist. It should have been obvious that something horrible was going to happen because even with the Darkness Emma and Killian were just too happy being with each other while in Camelot. Both death scenes were so emotional. Three times she has watched him die! (Four if you count the drowning). Please don’t kill Killian anymore, I don’t think *I* can handle it, let alone Emma.
If I’m honest when I first heard about the Underworld I wasn’t too excited, but having heard A&E say how it’s going to be similar to season one has me intrigued.
I found it to have some pretty strong writing/stories in general. Even the new characters seemed to be far better integrated and made for some really interesting b-stories while still keeping focus on our core group (seems like they learned a bit from last season). I’m going to hold out hope that we get some more resolution to those Merida/Camelot story lines in the back half, because they seemed to setup some really interesting ideas that are now just lingering out there unresolved
I agree. It was nice to focus on the core cast again. The guest characters should be just that, there to create conflict, etc for the mian cast. But like you I do want some resolution to at least Merida. I found her annoying yet awesome at the same time. I assume that there might be some more beans starting to come about, since Tiny managed to grow one for Ruby and in one of the deleted scenes of S4A, Emma was talking to the Frozen characters about beans not being ready until Spring (something like that.)
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
Figured I’d post something in here and see if we can create some balance in the force on these forums. Bc good lord it needs it.
Now, who thinks Hook has legitimately changed? And is he worthy of Emma? Is Emma worthy of Hook? Do you think they truly love each other? Are they happy? Has the show conveyed well enough that they are happy? Clearly these two have some lying and trust issues. How do we feel now that these two are officially engaged and Hook got to redo his proposal without Emma interrupting him? Did you ever think Emma would be getting married to Hook when she first met him in the Enchanted Forest? My how far they have come.
Figured I’d post something in here and see if we can create some balance in the force on these forums. Bc good lord it needs it. Now, who thinks Hook has legitimately changed? And is he worthy of Emma? Is Emma worthy of Hook? Do you think they truly love each other? Are they happy? Has the show conveyed well enough that they are happy? Clearly these two have some lying and trust issues. How do we feel now that these two are officially engaged and Hook got to redo his proposal without Emma interrupting him? Did you ever think Emma would be getting married to Hook when she first met him in the Enchanted Forest? My how far they have come.
In order to create a balance, all the people that were bullied and scared off by all the haters should be asked back as well as apologize so that would never happen.
Plus this forum is so toxic. It’s quite a shame that Daniel spends every podcast talking about coming to the forum and discussing things. Maybe take a gander at your own forum before trying to convince people to post here, maybe there’s a reason why this site is so dead, aside from haters of the show and CS.
Hook has absolutely changed, 100%, and people are so pressed they choose to ignore all the good he’s done and focus on the very small bad. Especially compared to other villains that get tons of chances.
Emma and Hook are both worthy of each other. They will always fight for one another, neither of them will ever abandon the other.
Absolutely they truly love one another. Hence the bitterness after every episode in this forum. I expected it would be around 5×20 levels as it once again confirmed CS to have true love. And several people on here are very much bitter about that being confirmed in the first place.
Absolutely they are happy, just look at those smiles during the re-proposal. Anyone whom says Emma is not happy is just simply a bitter person with an agenda. Hook makes her happy and she makes him as well.
I loved everything about the re-proposal, including the fact that Emma finally got told by Hook that he will always, always stay by her side. Which Emma has never had somebody like that, so it’s very good she has someone like that now.
I thought Emma and Hook were endgame from 2×06 onward, and I was right. And yes that included marriage. Their storyline was crystal clear. Neal represented the past, and Killian the future. Glad I as did many many others read it right.
Side note about people criticizing Emma’s wardrobe in the episode. She was wearing a PETER PAN collar, in an episode where Captain Hook was in Neverland trying to get back to her with the assistance of Tiger Lily another Peter Pan character. If people didn’t get that the reason she wore that had to do with the many references to NVL that’s on them. But people will find any reason to hate on Emma, including her wardrobe she wears now which everyone has said has to do with her walls being down.
Plus this forum is so toxic. It’s quite a shame that Daniel spends every podcast talking about coming to the forum and discussing things. Maybe take a gander at your own forum before trying to convince people to post here, maybe there’s a reason why this site is so dead, aside from haters of the show and CS.
Yeah, Daniel is incredibly balanced, poised, and doesn’t seem to pick sides in shipping wars etc. which I really appreciate. And as a result, his opinions come off as much more valid and with less inherent bias. Really do love listening to him. But yeah, I wonder if he knows how pro SF the forums truly are and how anti-Hook, anti-Emma, and anti-CS they are too.
Hook has absolutely changed, 100%, and people are so pressed they choose to ignore all the good he’s done and focus on the very small bad. Especially compared to other villains that get tons of chances.
Yeah, to me, and this is where many people on here come off as bias and bitter, and holding a grudge, I completely agree that Hook has changed. Does he still make some mistakes like deciding to cover up his lie this season? Sure. But everyone makes mistakes. It is so clear as day though that he’s not the same person and I maintain that the fact Emma was able to bring the goodness out of him and turn his life around is an incredible story. Sometimes people just need something to fight for in order to get back to the straight and narrow. Hook found that in Emma and I think that’s not only realistic, but rather moving. And yes, as someone pointed out in the other forum, change needs to happen on the inside first (like with Regina). Love can’t just fix it. That is true, but I think Hook did change on the inside. He made a decision to be a different man, a better man. His motivation was to be with Emma, to prove to her that he can be that guy for her. And people treat Hook as if he was always a bad guy in the past. No, he actually was a noble captain once with good form who really started down the rocky path after his brother Liam died. Death does that to people. And Emma (love) brought him back. I think it’s beautiful.
They will always fight for one another, neither of them will ever abandon the other.
Mirrors Snowing. I don;t recall anyone ever feeling that Snowing only cared about each other and were selfish. Let’s see what everyone think when Hook and Emma help in the battle against the Black Fairy.
And several people on here are very much bitter about that being confirmed in the first place.
Yeah, I unfortunately agree with you.
Absolutely they are happy, just look at those smiles during the re-proposal. Anyone whom says Emma is not happy is just simply a bitter person with an agenda. Hook makes her happy and she makes him as well.
I also agree with this and it bugs me when others on here say they aren’t happy. Have they even looked at them? They would do anything for each other.
loved everything about the re-proposal, including the fact that Emma finally got told by Hook that he will always, always stay by her side. Which Emma has never had somebody like that, so it’s very good she has someone like that now.
I also did as well. Thought it was great.
I thought Emma and Hook were endgame from 2×06 onward, and I was right. And yes that included marriage. Their storyline was crystal clear. Neal represented the past, and Killian the future. Glad I as did many many others read it right.
What’s funny is I also predicted this. Emma had so much chemistry with Hook. It started out as this weird hatred, but I thought the writers did an incredible job of writing their dynamic early on. And personally, I always thought Neal was a little boring. I liked him with Emma don’t get me wrong, but I always felt there was a strong force between Killian and Emma. And I could tell pretty early on that she was going to end up with him, which meant that he had to turn his life around. I did not think they were going to kill Neal though. That was a surprise.
Side note about people criticizing Emma’s wardrobe in the episode. She was wearing a PETER PAN collar, in an episode where Captain Hook was in Neverland trying to get back to her with the assistance of Tiger Lily another Peter Pan character. If people didn’t get that the reason she wore that had to do with the many references to NVL that’s on them. But people will find any reason to hate on Emma, including her wardrobe she wears now which everyone has said has to do with her walls being down.
Ehh, I actually thought it looks quite weird myself. It felt like an odd choice since she never wears anything like that. But yeah, it’s a shame that all the CS fans were pushed away on here. It would make things less one-sided and everything would come off less bitter and angry. The forums on here can be quite depressing. I mean I know the show isn’t perfect. But there are still plenty of good things and everyone should be pumped for this wedding! But no one is, bc no one on here supports it.
I’ll admit that I’ve never been Hook’s biggest fan (look at past posts of mine for evidence), however, in season 6 Hook has come on in leaps and bounds. So much so that, although I can’t list him as my favourite character this season, he is at least in the top 4/5. I wish we could’ve seen this Hook several seasons ago. One of the things I do like about Hook is how he seems to be the only one of the regulars, besides Rumple, that actually genuinely cares for Belle. I hated what Hook did to her in season 2, but the fact that in 4B Hook comforted her and reassured her that Rumple genuinely did love her (something which, considering his history with Rumple, he didn’t have to do) and then in 6A he actually helped her out and offered her a place to stay, I can genuinely say I don’t hate Hook. He is one of those characters where I hated him, then I started to like him then I hated him then I liked him then I hated him and so on and so forth. Season 6 has been great for Hook and I don’t think I’ve hated him at all this season (though I do think some of his scenes this season have been unnecessary).
Unfortunately I can’t say the same thing for Emma. She’s just been awful this season and her complete lack of concern for Belle even when she was homeless has been staggering. Hook stepped up to help Belle and that won him major points with me, but Emma lost several points for that scene alone. I have no clue what they’re doing with Emma this season, the costume choices make her look ill, and I stand by everything I’ve said about her in other threads. Emma is definitely my least favourite character this season.
In regards to the CS relationship itself, I have issues with it. However, It’s not because of Hook himself per se. First off, Hook and Emma had amazing chemistry in Tallahassee. Even though I didn’t like Hook in season 2, that chemistry in that episode was undeniable. I liked that Hook was a cheeky chappy rather than a vindictive pirate, and I wish Tallahassee Hook was how he was presented throughout the season. Obviously he had his revenge quest against Rumple but shooting Belle was low. The fact that it took him 4 seasons to apologise didn’t help matters but I am happy that he’s finally apologised and made amends with Belle so I’m not holding it against him any more. The writing of Emma has become terrible and I think because that coincided with the start of CS is why people have problems with CS. They see it as cause and effect rather than two separate things. Emma’s personality has taken a spectacular nose dive over the seasons.
This is kind of difficult to explain but to me CS have never been on the same level. If you imagine Hook and Emma on adjustable platforms that can go up and down, you might get the point I’m trying to make. In Tallahassee, Emma and Hook were at the same levels on their platform (Hook may have been slightly lower because of the events of “The Crocodile” but they could still make eye contact). As season 2 progressed, Hook plummeted down whilst Emma shot up. Throughout season 3, Hook’s platform was up and down like a yo yo, plummeting yet again in 4A. However, during 4A, Emma’s platform started to go down as well. From 4B onwards, Hook’s platform started going up, still dropping occasionally but generally on an upward trajectory. Emma’s platform is still going down. Season 6, Hook’s platform got rocket power and he’s just shot right up past Emma whilst Emma’s platform continues its downward spiral.
I guess my point is, the writers skipped Hook’s redemption arc so we never got to see his journey from point A to Point B. He wasn’t good enough for Emma in season 2 and now he’s too good for her in season 6. I probably would’ve liked Season 6 Hook and Season 2 Emma to get together, but because of lazy writing on the writer’s part, it’s not a pairing I can fully support.
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