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Hey Hi this is a CS friendly zone, I would like it to stay that way. I could careless about whom is anti Hook. I don’t care about what you have to say. This isn’t the place for you. There’s plenty of places in this forum where you’re more than welcome where CS fans are not. All I want to talk about is pancakes.
[adrotate group="5"]Hey Hi this is a CS friendly zone, I would like it to stay that way. I could careless about whom is anti Hook. I don’t care about what you have to say. This isn’t the place for you. There’s plenty of places in this forum where you’re more than welcome where CS fans are not. All I want to talk about is pancakes.
I *couldn’t* care less. Honestly, if you feel the need to disrespect people because of fictional characters, then maybe you need to reevaluate your priorities. There is more to life than a TV show.
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Hey Hi this is a CS friendly zone, I would like it to stay that way. I could careless about whom is anti Hook. I don’t care about what you have to say. This isn’t the place for you. There’s plenty of places in this forum where you’re more than welcome where CS fans are not. All I want to talk about is pancakes.
I *couldn’t* care less. Honestly, if you feel the need to disrespect people because of fictional characters, then maybe you need to reevaluate your priorities. There is more to life than a TV show.
Look this is a CS thread. I don’t want to hear about anti-hook or whom is anti-Hook. I don’t care. This is a safe zone for CS shippers. If you want to bash Hook and CS go do so to your hearts content anywhere else in this forum. I’m sure you’ll feel very welcomed there.
Anyways yeah Hook had to take a cold shower cause of Snow’s cockblocking. Maybe him and Emma relieved their tension after she left cause they looked very happy at the sheriff’s office.
Also to the anti Hook/CS fans. Maybe you should take what Snow told David in this episode to heart because I’m pretty sure that was the writers telling the anti Hook/CS fans what’s up.
Sometimes they make it seem like Emma and Hook are the only ones having sex on this show. Either that, or they are just 15 million times hornier than Snow and Charming and Belle and Rumple could ever be.
Other than Emma and Hook, you could make the argument that based on what we have seen, Henry is getting just as much action as Snowing and Rumbelle which is pretty disturbing haha
Nice analysis @nevermore. I’ve also noticed that the tactics used by one person in particular are strongly reminiscent of those used in the real world against anyone who questions the status quo. Take feminism as an example. Feminists were, and still are, often branded as “angry” or “bitter”. These labels are used to dismiss them entirely, and also to trivialize and humiliate. Another tactic is to accuse them of being “anti-men”, to associate arguments for equality with “man-hate”. Again, this aggressive counter-attacking is intended to silence and hence, preserve the status quo.
To be fair, it’s only one person, and I suspect they’re either very young or trolling or both — so I just don’t think there is any point in trying to seriously engage that. But, as you said, I don’t see the same tactics from other posters here, and some of the questions are legitimately interesting — like the question about the ambiguities of interpretation that were recently brought up in this thread, and that are regularly discussed elsewhere. And even the question of balance that @DOD is bringing up, considering the actual distribution of different sub-fandoms here and elsewhere and the admitted CS hegemony is good food for thought.
In my professional life I actually work in gender issues and addressing social norms around toxic masculinities. I manage research projects on combatting gender based violence, especially intimate partner violence. These are issues I care deeply about and I personally don’t interpret the CS relationship as a toxic relationship. Of course there are things you can find to be problematic, every ship on the show is problematic. I am not saying that the way you interpret their relationship is wrong, it’s just different from how I interpret it.
I think that’s super interesting. There is some polyvalence to the show — as with most compelling fiction (famously the “Is Hamlet mad or just pretending” dilemma). I think there is room for interpreting CS in different ways, especially in the long duree, and to me, what’s often interesting is what people notice about the language of both the show as a visual text, and of the writing — conjuring different forms of evidence to substantiate their points. You bring up another question — how does one engage this show “light-heartedly”. A lot of the convos here are pretty meta. So to me it feels like maybe the arguments aren’t always about ships, but about the nature of the engagement itself. There’s a core number of posters here who like the meta discussions — myself included — and who probably come back to this forum for this reason, whatever their shipping identification. But I can also see how that’s not what everyone wants or loves to do, and that’s valid, and there should be other spaces for other forms of engagement without mutual invalidation.
You guys preach that everyone is welcome. Well if that’s the motto, then you need to be more open to characters you personally hate. Otherwise, people leave, and the forums become one-sided and extremely bias. And I honestly would be ok with hating on Hook and Emma all the time. If I felt they deserved it. But people on here have become so harsh against them that is becomes unbearable at times.
But that’s just the thing — not everyone here is critical, and not everyone here is critical all the time or in the same way. I see all sorts of engagements with the show and critique takes different forms. I see hardcore SF fans who will give Hook credit where credit is due. I see people who are not primarily here for CS comment on CS, but mostly engage with other characters, or squarely ignore CS altogether. I see people posting hilarious quips that have nothing to do with ships at all. And while you’re totally ignoring these internal differences, you’re also wanting to distinguish yourself as, specifically, an Emma fan. You can’t have both — you can’t generalize about everyone else while demanding to be correctly classified yourself, or to paint all critiques with broad brush strokes as anti-CS while demanding recognition for the exact species of your fandom allegiances.
So my question is this — what does being more open to characters you personally hate look like in practice? Unless, of course, all you want is an echo chamber. If so, infrastructurally we have that: this is what the shipping thread ghettos are for, which is probably the only way to deal with this fandom, and if that’s the chosen mentality, then CSers can get off my porch (the SF thread), and then I’ll get off theirs 😉 Then it becomes a kind of retaliatory logic and a matter of recruiting numbers and lobbing insults across the aisle(s), and this goes toxic fast, which I don’t think most people who have been posting here for years want. Something makes me think that you are in fact interested in a more inclusive dialogue. Either way, it seems to me that if dialogue is what people want, then this forum is welcoming, but it doesn’t function in the same way as other parts of the fandom precisely because it is not an echo-chamber for the hegemonic interpretation of the show. And if you want to make it into that, then I suspect you will get resistance.
Michael, we are actually trying to have a discussion about CS and Hook and the divide in this forum.
You were in the SF thread awhile ago were you not? Mmmkay then.
Anyway what I was saying earlier is that I don’t think it’s fair to label the entire site this way or that way all because the people here are disagreeing with your ship. There are plenty of other sites that may as well label themselves the anti-Neal brigade and might as well call the show the Once Upon A Hook hour. Where if I say “Well I don’t think A&E intended CS from the start” they’ll act like I just said Hitler had some pleasant ideas. It feels like what you all mean by balance is that either we all love Hook or we are all toxic and hateful. I don’t know about that but if im order to enjoy the show better others had to find other sites I see nothing wrong with that. I don’t know why it’s always Hook that does this (I even had a thread called why is Hook such a divisive character if anyone wants to look at that) but it seems like everyone is cool being critical of any other character here but it’s HIM that just drives people to extremely different reactions.
Anyway, has this show shown other characters being “intimate”. I know there was Regina/Graham getting out of bed… and Snowing under the covers naked….and RumBelle was seen in bed once….hmm. Show is pretty chaste for an 8’o clock show. Needs to take some lessons from True Blood 😉
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Well, OUAT usually does the standard “fade to black” convention: characters kissing => scene transition => next time you see them in the same bed, or puttering around the kitchen in the morning, or getting dressed (this has been the case with RB, OQ, Snowing etc). That’s a fairly standard Hollywood convention for implying physical intimacy. The other convention is, frankly, pregnancy/childbirth — that’s one sure way to show a non-platonic relationship.
ETA: True Blood gave is Billith. Lets not ?
Anyway, has this show shown other characters being “intimate”. I know there was Regina/Graham getting out of bed… and Snowing under the covers naked….and RumBelle was seen in bed once….hmm. Show is pretty chaste for an 8’o clock show. Needs to take some lessons from True Blood
Well don’t forget about the Robin and Regina scene in her vault from season 3…it was pretty clear what they were up to 😉
Snowing of course had the infamous taco scene. XD
And now Captain Swan has a pancake scene, which is pretty tame in comparison. Although many CSers have interpreted the pancakes to be a “post-intimate snack” which of course then started to lead to more intimacy…
But I agree with Nevermore, let’s not take cues from True Blood lol. I watched that show until the end and sheesh did that show get cheesy!
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