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Thats kind of a contradictory sentence. You say they weren’t destined to be together but then say they were destined to be together. Neal and Emma never had TLK either but we know their love was true based on the their totem, the swan pendant which survived even the dark curse. Beyond the parallels between (ironically one that you mentioned awhile back when you called Emma a lost girl and Hook a lost boy despite that Neal was the actual Lost boy, or that he’s the child of darkness and she’s the child of light, that fate and destiny brought them together over the course of centuries and had they not then the curse itself would never have been broken at all). Neal and Emma offer a more juicy story that was clearly intentionally planned (you say it’s because of Pan, but remember Pan was not intended to be Rumps father nor the main villain for season 3. that, like Hook’s heightened role in the story, was added in later so the idea they were only mean to be together to have Henry because Pan wanted his heart is pretty strange but whatever helps you accept that Hook and Emma were never pre-planned despite the fact that Hook himself literally said it. You are contridicting yourself by saying it’s not meta but then saying it is). Also, you are citing the words of other characters as a way to confirm Emma and Hook have true love but don’t you recall the times other characters also said similar things about SF? Belle confirming the swan pendant being a product of true love or Neal saying it was fate or destiny that brought them together? Does one count and the other doesn’t?
Their love is so strong that it was counteracting a memory curse.
But then why didn’t TLK never break any of the curses placed on Emma before if that is the case? She has had her memory taken before. And Hook did try to kiss her to break the spell. And then there was the time Hook was cursed and a kiss from the savior let alone a kiss from true love did nothing. I’m just saying. Food for thought. The true love heart test thing would be a good indication if not for the fact that Emma has a heart full of love regardless of Killian simply by way of being the savior. It would have worked no matter what. Had that occurred to any other non savior couple I would have believed but there has be some logic here and Emma’s heart was already shown to be all magical “love is strength” in season 2 so we KNOW tha has nothing to do With hook. In the SF thread, I said the fact that they weren’t given TLK is very interesting given there have been plenty of opportunities for it and even their wedding could have been written for a kiss to show something magical. It never did. Her death could have been undone by a kiss from Hook. But it wasn’t. mind you, I’m sure Emma loves Killian. She married him. And I’m sure Hook loves Emma. There is nothing more to him outside of that. But I’m pointing out that showing if their love is supposed to be the same as TL it’s not very consistent with how the show has shown it throughout. Think of all the ways true love has been confirmed (breaking of a curse, pixie dust, TLK,) in terms of that magical True Love, it’s never shown itself between them and they ended it by seemingly not caring to do it. It’s really, very strange. But who knows. That story is over and done now.
Neal and Emma were not true love. They were first love. The only one that thinks it’s true love was you guys but you guys never got any confirmations and yet you try to downgrade the CS confirmations of true love which are a lot of them and they’re in unique ways because they are a unique couple.
Oh my God Hook was a lost boy! He was sold by his father and then enslaved to a captain. He had no family aside from his brother. He had no mother or father, he was a lost boy! And Emma was a lost girl, and they were both searching for home and they found it.
What are you talking about? It was the plot, you’re the one trying to twist it into something it isn’t. Pan point blank said he purposely let Neal escape, but Neal failed to mention that to the others. He wanted Henry, he’s been planning for Henry ever since Bae was brought to Neverland. He knew what needed to be done so that’s why he let Neal leave. Because he knew once Neal met Emma and had Henry he could take Henry, use his heart and become immortal. THAT WAS THE PLOT! This wasn’t the headcanons or fiction in your head.
The TLK in 3×11 was not broken because Emma did not know him nor remember him. Because they were still very new at that point. It was a parallel to the failed Rumbelle and Snowing TLK’s and even Jane Espenson confirmed that.
By the point they were married and everything there love was so unique and strong that Emma started getting flashes of her wedding to her true love(Henry said it not me) and also when she saw him in the book.
Hook’s curse was on his lips! Once Emma kissed him she lost her power. That was the whole point of the curse.
As far as TL confirmations aside from the ones that showed they were(the test and the flower) how about hearing it from the mouth of Emma Swan herself. Whom said in her vows that she did not know true love until she met Killian. She never believed she could have that, until she met him.
Yes you know what that means, she never thought Neal was her true love. So I trust her word over Belle’s.
Why do you need a magical lazy confirmation of true love(Hi Zades) when you can get the very clear picture just from listening to the characters! Killian’s true love is Emma. Emma’s true love is Killian.
Get over it and no booboo it’s not over. Because it’ll be in S7 much like Rumbelle. You know what is over though, your ship. Sunk a long time ago, dude is gonna be dead for 3-4 years now. Time to move on! Stop undermining the canon ship cause you’re bitter.
[adrotate group="5"]CS is here to stay and you should just deal with it.
Wait….That’s literally what I just said….. I just said that that was the writers way of telling everyone to deal. How are you arguing what I’m saying by agreeing with me?
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICYet 4 years still and you can’t deal with it. Also classy that you ignore everything else I said. Probably cause I torpedoed your stupid argument. Don’t try to undermine the canon ship dear. And it has nothing to do with your crack ship.
Don’t forget though dearie, that Emma did not know true love until Killian. That’s what she said in her vows and if anyone knows about true love it’s the child of it. So Neal was never her true love.
1) I actually didn’t see your other post as I typed mine before u did it seems.
2) I can deal with Emma and Neal not being together. Unlike Hook, both Emma and Neal can be stand alone individual characters without relying on the other 🙂 Ur go to excuse is that everyone is bitter because you can’t accept different views. I’m here to be cordial and engage the thread. Neal died seasons ago. Hook story hasn’t even evolved remotely since. I have an issue with the latter not the first.
3) Swanfire isn’t a crack ship given it actually happened, “dear”. You are the one trying to undermine it by literally ignoring the show called their love TRUE LOVE and actually showed their love to be true in a completely clear way. It’s one thing tosay you didn’t like the ship. But be real here. Also I believe even JMO refereed to it as true love but I’ll have to search for a direct quote. You seem very bent of validating your ship. Hook and Emma are together. They can stay together. Calm yourself, love. ❤️
4) Emma didn’t know love until she met Killian? You mean….after she loved Neal, right? Wait didn’t you just say they were first loves?? Wait, didn’t she use True Love’s kiss to break henrys curse? WAIT: Didn’t she also use True Love’a kiss to break GRAHAMS curse?!?! Didn’t she also tell Neal that she loved him? And that she never stopped loving him? And that she will always love him?????!! Lol. That’s hilarious.
I guess we have to forget canon in order to accept this ship. That would explain it. But okay. No love for Emma prior to meeting Hook despite being shown she clearly has. Whoosh.
anyway, I’ll be the bigger person here and move the conversation on to something Else, and direct it to any other CS lurkers here who may have more varied opinions. So since we know next season Emma won’t be returning and I think it’s safe to say we all know Hook doesn’t really have much of a story outside of floating around her, what do we think is next for him outside of her? Michael has suggested that he will be trying to get back to her (as usual) but beyond that do you guys think this is a good time for Hook to be focused on in a different light other than CS or should his story remain ship related? I think that because the season is a complete reboot I think it’s a great time to show Hook as that old action packed dude we all fell in love with. While it’s understandable that he would want to break the curse and get back to his wife I really hope that in the decade that has passed since that he has more going for him and I would like to see that. Am I alone?
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICNever forget that Emma Swan did not know true love until Killian Jones. She didn’t believe it until him.
I mean if we’re talking about true love nobody knows whom their true love is better then themselves. Emma knows herself better than Belle. 😉
So Emma’s word over Belle’s any day cause it’s her own word.
It’s not emma’s word vs Belle’s word. It’s emma’s word versus what we saw on the show. How can you say She never knew true love but she gave her son true loves kiss. That was a big moment not only for Emma but for the show itself. To say she never believed in love until she had a particular guy is a little degrading. This is just another showcase of the writers going against established canon in their own show.
And that has nothing to do with ships. Emma’s statement is just plain wrong no matter what way you wish to look at it. I see no evidence to say that Emma spent entire seasons not believing in love when she herself confessed to love (both romantic and familial) multiple times and was shown that she knows love and believes in it (her battle with Cora, the fact that the pendant survived the curse is still a show of that as well, her giving Henry the kiss, her confessing her love for Neal multiple times, Graham situation).
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC
Beautiful and perfect vows. Some people are just bitter. True love is so wonderful and I’m so glad Emma found it with Killian. Before him she didn’t believe in it.
Even cursed Killian I still expect him to have much like Emma flashes of his life in SB and CS. Because their love is so strong it can breakthrough memory curses.
That’s probably how they’ll keep CS on the show and of course reminders from Henry as well. Also JMO only promised one episode for now but she’s open to more once she has a break. So I expect more of her in 7B and I doubt it’ll take the whole season to break this new curse. She’ll def be in the series finale.
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That’s not a good idea. Hook shouldn’t be getting random flashes of Emma if he’s cursed. Just as all the others weren’t getting random flashes of their past lives and true loves during the first curse. It’s…poetic (?) but it doesn’t fit and it throws Hook back into that constant loop that I mentioned earlier. I get if it happens once or something but it shouldn’t be a thing that keeps happening just because. Regardless, I’d prefer JMO to be in the finale as opposed to the premiere. Once the curse is presumably broken we see the entire cast reunite. I think Hooks purpose is going to be based more on helping Henry along with the others to fight the darkness or whatever to undo the curse. I don’t think it will take the whole season to break it but I think it will take the whole season before we do see all the old regulars again. I think when Emma does appear it needs to be a big moment. I’d want in her a single epic episode to reunite with her son and together take on this entity whatever it is. Not boiling her down to being someone’s wife.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICEmma got random flashes of Killian in the finale, so I fully expect that’s something they’ll add to Killian as well, when he’s cursed and away from Emma. But he won’t know whom it is that haunts his visions, just that she seems familiar or something. Also hope there’s CS kids so that he can have visions of his whole family.
I hope they get at least one CS child, even if it’s adopted, wouldn’t mind.
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