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Why does it matter if KillEmma were planned or not? They are together now, they are together at the end.
In my opinion, they weren’t, not because of SF, but because A&E are incapable of long term planning. Everything post 3A was obviously not planned from the beginning of the show.[adrotate group="5"]"All your questions are pointless"
3) Swanfire isn’t a crack ship given it actually happened, “dear”. You are the one trying to undermine it by literally ignoring the show called their love TRUE LOVE and actually showed their love to be true in a completely clear way. It’s one thing tosay you didn’t like the ship. But be real here. Also I believe even JMO refereed to it as true love but I’ll have to search for a direct quote. You seem very bent of validating your ship. Hook and Emma are together. They can stay together. Calm yourself, love. ❤️ 4) Emma didn’t know love until she met Killian? You mean….after she loved Neal, right? Wait didn’t you just say they were first loves?? Wait, didn’t she use True Love’s kiss to break henrys curse? WAIT: Didn’t she also use True Love’a kiss to break GRAHAMS curse?!?! Didn’t she also tell Neal that she loved him? And that she never stopped loving him? And that she will always love him?????!! Lol. That’s hilarious. I guess we have to forget canon in order to accept this ship. That would explain it. But okay. No love for Emma prior to meeting Hook despite being shown she clearly has. Whoosh.
Must have missed that episode. Aside from Belle saying it they never got a clear confirmation of true love. Unlike Killian and Emma, whom have had multiple confirmations of true love.
No the vows were Emma didn’t know TRUE love until she met Killian. She never believed her a child of true love would ever find it, until she met Killian. Those were the vows that she said and familial is different then romantic. The vows were about romantic true love as she brought up her parents, so it’s not related and no that was not a true loves kiss with Graham. It’s a kiss that triggered his memory cause she was the savior of them all. It was established in episodes after. They were not true love. They could have been loves but Regina cut that short.
For someone whom likes to boast about true love you sure are ignoring what one half of your ship is saying about true love. She did not know about true love until Killian, that is FACT. That was part of her vows. Don’t undermine or ignore what Emma says. She knows more than you do how she feels.
Aside from Belle saying it they never got a clear confirmation of true love
It was a clear confirmation of True Love, not only in the words of Belle but the fact that the pendant was not effected by the curse. If True Love is not the case, then please explain an alternative as well as for why the writers would have Belle say something if it wasn’t true. I’m interested how you rationalize that.
You seem very sensitive to the idea that Emma loved someone other than Hook…. That’s very odd.
Unlike Killian and Emma, whom have had multiple confirmations of true love.
But they didn’t. Outside of people saying “Its true love” and “I love you’s” there was no supernatural confirmation of true love. Emma’ heart scale thing was not an indication of true love for hook because she’s the savior. Emma was shown to have true love with henry, she even had tlk with Graham, and the love she shared with Neal was also shown to be true love. I’m not denying that Emma loves Hook, I’m pointing out the show has done very little to actually show it on the same scale of the supernatural true love. The only thing that even remotely fits is the pixie flower door thing.
No the vows were Emma didn’t know TRUE love until she met Killian. She never believed her a child of true love would ever find it, until she met Killian. Those were the vows that she said and familial is different then romantic. The vows were about romantic true love as she brought up her parents, so it’s not related and no that was not a true loves kiss with Graham. It’s a kiss that triggered his memory cause she was the savior of them all. It was established in episodes after. They were not true love. They could have been loves but Regina cut that short.
But this once again doesn’t make sense: Because she and Neal had to have true love in order for the swan keychain pendant to survive. If that is not true, romantic love then explain how that works? And i disagree, Emma clearly had feelings for Graham and vice versa? Was it all the way, full on love? No, it could have grown to be, but it was definitely romantic love in its early stages. I don’t think Emma could have just gone around planting smoochies on the dwarves and every one else in town and bringing back memories.
For someone whom likes to boast about true love you sure are ignoring what one half of your ship is saying about true love. She did not know about true love until Killian, that is FACT. That was part of her vows. Don’t undermine or ignore what Emma says. She knows more than you do how she feels.
I agree. So lets look at what Emma says:
Now wait? Does this not exist? Are you ignoring what half your ship says? I think she knows more about her feelings than you do.
Why does it matter if KillEmma were planned or not? They are together now, they are together at the end. In my opinion, they weren’t, not because of SF, but because A&E are incapable of long term planning. Everything post 3A was obviously not planned from the beginning of the show.
I agree, that was the point i was making that Michael seems to agree with but also wants to argue. A&E don’t seem to have “pre-destined” them to be together but they are now and everyone who doesn’t like it just needs to deal with that. I think Snow’s line and Hook’s line were their way of saying that. Michael does too, but argued against it and for it at the same time, so idk.
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Telling someone that they should just believe what they’re told rather than what they see with their own eyes is incredibly rude. We know Emma loved Neal deeply, why else would she be so hurt when he did what he did, the swan pendant crossing realms was a sign of that (as was Regina’s ring from Daniel), Emma knew true love before Hook, if not with Neal then with Henry, but that’s hardly something you’d say as you were getting married is it? Also it’s established that TLK doesn’t work if one half doesn’t know who the other is eg RumBelle in season 2, CS in 3B.
It’s surprising that the writers didn’t take the opportunity to have a TLK between CS, that would’ve been the quickest route to say “see, they are true love”. Instead they seemed to actively avoid it which raises questions to why that was? Why did they have Emma look so ill in later seasons?
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Keeper of FelixThe way I see it…Emma and Neal absolutely loved each other. You are allowed to love more than one person and they declared their love on numerous occasions. And it was also their first love. Which is why in the caves, Emma tells Neal that she probably will always love him. That makes so much sense to me.
However, Emma and Hook also love each other. You don’t need some wonky curse-breaking kiss or some plot macguffin thing in the show to prove that they have true love. Both characters stated it was true love. Other characters on the show stated it was true love, and the way Emma and Hook feel about each other on such a strong emotional level shows it’s true love.
I honestly feel that if anyone on either ship says either SF or CS isn’t true love, they are massively bitter. And I would get why a SF fan might be bitter and say that CS was not true love (despite how wrong that is). But I do not understand why a CS fan would say that about SF. You won. She ended up with Killian. She married him and they each exchanged beautiful vows and the show has basically said multiple times that it’s true love. So what’s the issue? Why is it that Emma can only have found true love with one person? Does it make her relationship with Hook less symbolic and not as powerful if she shared something similar with Neal?
For me, Neal was first love. Very powerful, very real. She still loves him today. How could she not after all they shared? Hook and Emma’s relationship is unique and very different from Emma and Neal’s. But just bc both were different from each other, doesn’t mean they both weren’t true love. Their relationship is also very powerful and very real.
As far as the next season regarding Hook, they need to find some motivation for this character that has nothing to do with Emma, or getting back to Emma, or his revenge on Rumple. Something else. Hook is a really cool character and I’d love to find out who his mother is someday as he’s pretty much the only main member of the cast who still hasn’t had both parents revealed. I wanna see the Hook I fell in love with before it was ALL about Emma.
Oh, and yes, Hook was a lost boy. To deny that is pretty ridiculous. However, Neal was also a lost boy, in a different way. Both were “abandoned” by their fathers. And potentially both were abandoned by their mothers as well. Milah walked out on Neal (ironically no thanks to Killian) and since Killian’s mom hasn’t been in the picture, one could assume she abandoned him too. For me, it is way more interesting to see the parallels between Hook and Neal than to pin point their differences. I honestly would have liked to see Neal and Hook on screen more (and not just fighting over Emma).
I think it’s cause with Neal it’s never been stated as true love. Maybe from his side but clearly not hers. As Emma herself said, she did not know true love until Killian Jones.
So based on that what she had with Neal was not true love but first love, and you’ll always have a special place in your heart for your first love. However it’s not true love.
And the only way you’ll get a Killian Jones BEFORE Emma Swan was flashbacks. Hate to burst your bubble but as you saw in the finale when Killian Jones is away from Emma Swan or she is missing he’s ALWAYS gonna be in find Emma mode because that’s his true love. That’s his wife, that’s his family.
The same way Rumple would be right now if Belle or Gideon is missing. They’re both family man, 100%
I 100% expect the way they will keep CS consistently in the story is Killian having similar flashes that Emma had in the finale of his life in SB and of Emma and they use recycled CS footage for it as well. Memory curses can no longer stop CS.
I have no problem continuing CS in season 7. But he can have true love with Emma, and not have his entire motivation always be to get back to her. It’s stale and overused and unoriginal at this point. Good writers would find a way to keep CS alive and well and not have literally all of Hook’s motivations and storyline to revolve around her. Heck, even Snow and Charming had storylines and quests that had nothing to do with the other.
I have no problem continuing CS in season 7. But he can have true love with Emma, and not have his entire motivation always be to get back to her. It’s stale and overused and unoriginal at this point. Good writers would find a way to keep CS alive and well and not have literally all of Hook’s motivations and storyline to revolve around her. Heck, even Snow and Charming had storylines and quests that had nothing to do with the other.
Think of this way why don’t you. If you were separated from your wife, your family, would your whole purpose be to find any means of getting back to them?
Maybe the reason why his motivation to get back to Emma is because that is all his family. She is his family. Regina and Rumple? Are people he can’t stand and only puts up with because of Emma(in Regina’s case).
Did you ever think about that before criticizing Killian about how his only motivation is ever Emma. That’s cause Emma is everything to him, that’s his family, that’s his true love, that’s his wife. What part of that don’t you get?
He along the others have been FORCEFULLY separated from everyone they love. Their motivation will absolutely 100% be to break this curse and get back to their loved ones and for Killian Jones that is Emma Swan.
Who knows what else is waiting for him in SB, maybe kids as well with Emma. So he’s got a family to get home too as well. He absolutely will have that be his motivation and his driving force as I’m sure anybody in his position or any of the other 3 would be.
It’s surprising that the writers didn’t take the opportunity to have a TLK between CS, that would’ve been the quickest route to say “see, they are true love”. Instead they seemed to actively avoid it which raises questions to why that was? Why did they have Emma look so ill in later seasons?
…Umm they didn’t avoid it. They made it completely clear multiple times between the seasons.
You can come up with any half-baked theories in your heads to try to undermine these confirmations of true love. Doesn’t discount the canon.
Aside from Belle saying it they never got a clear confirmation of true love
It was a clear confirmation of True Love, not only in the words of Belle but the fact that the pendant was not effected by the curse. If True Love is not the case, then please explain an alternative as well as for why the writers would have Belle say something if it wasn’t true. I’m interested how you rationalize that. You seem very sensitive to the idea that Emma loved someone other than Hook…. That’s very odd.
Unlike Killian and Emma, whom have had multiple confirmations of true love.
But they didn’t. Outside of people saying “Its true love” and “I love you’s” there was no supernatural confirmation of true love. Emma’ heart scale thing was not an indication of true love for hook because she’s the savior. Emma was shown to have true love with henry, she even had tlk with Graham, and the love she shared with Neal was also shown to be true love. I’m not denying that Emma loves Hook, I’m pointing out the show has done very little to actually show it on the same scale of the supernatural true love. The only thing that even remotely fits is the pixie flower door thing.
No the vows were Emma didn’t know TRUE love until she met Killian. She never believed her a child of true love would ever find it, until she met Killian. Those were the vows that she said and familial is different then romantic. The vows were about romantic true love as she brought up her parents, so it’s not related and no that was not a true loves kiss with Graham. It’s a kiss that triggered his memory cause she was the savior of them all. It was established in episodes after. They were not true love. They could have been loves but Regina cut that short.
But this once again doesn’t make sense: Because she and Neal had to have true love in order for the swan keychain pendant to survive. If that is not true, romantic love then explain how that works? And i disagree, Emma clearly had feelings for Graham and vice versa? Was it all the way, full on love? No, it could have grown to be, but it was definitely romantic love in its early stages. I don’t think Emma could have just gone around planting smoochies on the dwarves and every one else in town and bringing back memories.
For someone whom likes to boast about true love you sure are ignoring what one half of your ship is saying about true love. She did not know about true love until Killian, that is FACT. That was part of her vows. Don’t undermine or ignore what Emma says. She knows more than you do how she feels.
I agree. So lets look at what Emma says:
Now wait? Does this not exist? Are you ignoring what half your ship says? I think she knows more about her feelings than you do.Why does it matter if KillEmma were planned or not? They are together now, they are together at the end. In my opinion, they weren’t, not because of SF, but because A&E are incapable of long term planning. Everything post 3A was obviously not planned from the beginning of the show.
I agree, that was the point i was making that Michael seems to agree with but also wants to argue. A&E don’t seem to have “pre-destined” them to be together but they are now and everyone who doesn’t like it just needs to deal with that. I think Snow’s line and Hook’s line were their way of saying that. Michael does too, but argued against it and for it at the same time, so idk.
OMG it was Belle’s word. Belle doesn’t know Emma, she was irrelevant back then. They never interacted. Maybe it was true love on Neal’s part but it wasn’t on Emma’s. That is possible as well. I just gave you a reason.
And she said I love you when she was highly emotional, and that was supported in the NVL arc. Here’s something else just cause you love someone or are in love with them does not equal to true love. And Neal and Emma were not true love. They were first loves but they were not true love.
Emma’s true love by her own words is Killian Jones. Get. Over. It. Emma had multiple confirmations of true love with Killian, whether a thick brained person like you chooses to accept I don’t care. Emma Swan stated she did not know what true love was until Killian Jones, that means she did not feel true love with Neal. EMMA knows about her own feelings more than YOU do. You don’t agree with it that’s your issue to deal with but so sorry, she didn’t view SF as true love.
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