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May 18, 2017 at 10:46 am #339041
thedarkonedearie
ParticipantThink of this way why don’t you. If you were separated from your wife, your family, would your whole purpose be to find any means of getting back to them? Maybe the reason why his motivation to get back to Emma is because that is all his family. She is his family. Regina and Rumple? Are people he can’t stand and only puts up with because of Emma(in Regina’s case).
Yes, I don’t blame Hook for wanting to get back to Emma and to do whatever it takes. Not at all. What I blame is the writers for continually writing that same schtick. Either Hook is gone or Emma is gone and the other half has to get back to them. It’s old. But yes, if they do that plot, I don’t blame the characters one bit for acting the way they do. I’m simply saying I’ve seen enough of it and would like a different plot line.
[adrotate group="5"]May 18, 2017 at 11:12 am #339045Michael
BlockedThink of this way why don’t you. If you were separated from your wife, your family, would your whole purpose be to find any means of getting back to them? Maybe the reason why his motivation to get back to Emma is because that is all his family. She is his family. Regina and Rumple? Are people he can’t stand and only puts up with because of Emma(in Regina’s case).
Yes, I don’t blame Hook for wanting to get back to Emma and to do whatever it takes. Not at all. What I blame is the writers for continually writing that same schtick. Either Hook is gone or Emma is gone and the other half has to get back to them. It’s old. But yes, if they do that plot, I don’t blame the characters one bit for acting the way they do. I’m simply saying I’ve seen enough of it and would like a different plot line.
I imagine they’ll have Hook even cursed have flashes of Emma similar to Emma in the season 6 finale. Like he could be haunted by this woman and she seems so familiar but he doesn’t know how.
May 18, 2017 at 11:20 am #339048thedarkonedearie
ParticipantI imagine they’ll have Hook even cursed have flashes of Emma similar to Emma in the season 6 finale. Like he could be haunted by this woman and she seems so familiar but he doesn’t know how.
Right, and that’s not what I want. I don’t want Hook’s storyline to have anything to do with Emma. I want him to be with her, even having a child would be great to see. But I want him to be on some sort of quest that he takes to do something else….not a curse where he doesn’t know who Emma is or he’s trying to get back to her. Just a different mission that he needs to do or something he’s doing to help someone else out and Emma is home taking care of the kid. Obviously it would have been better with Emma in season 7 but this is what we have left now.
May 18, 2017 at 11:21 am #339049nevermore
ParticipantEmma’s true love by her own words is Killian Jones. Get. Over. It.
Let me get this straight — are you arguing that someone can only have True Love with one person they’re romantically and sexually involved with and all other relationships, past or present, or non-sexual/platonic/familial, get automatically demoted to something other than True Love? Because if so, that’s patently wrong based on the cosmology of the show. Lets leave the Neal question aside for a second, since this seems to be a hot button issue, but the show established that Emma’s True Love, independent of Killian, was Henry. Are you saying that it too maybe wasn’t reciprocated? Or somehow asymmetrical? Or some kind of false ideology, not really true love, but some other kind of love that works just as well in breaking curses? Considering that we’ve now had a bidirectional TLK, we know that Emma shares True Love with her son. That is a sentiment entirely independent of her feelings for Hook, and that predates her even having met Hook. Based on the way the show presents TL, a character’s individual experience is actually entirely irrelevant. TL in OUAT is represented as a force of nature, the magical efficacy of which is triggered, provided certain conditions are met, independently of the nature or current status of a given relationship.
Also, your statements are inconsistent: you’re saying that Emma cannot be taken at face value when she said she loved Neal, but should be taken at face value when she says she loves Hook. Either she can be taken at face value, or she can’t.
May 18, 2017 at 11:40 am #339052Michael
BlockedNo because I’m only talking about romantic true love not familial true love.
Emma Swan has never indicated nor said that Neal was true love. EVER! The only person that she’s said this about was Killian Jones. You can’t accept that, it’s not my issue. No amount of head-canons in your brain will win out over canon in the show.
As for Emma when she said I love you to Neal she WAS highly emotional and the show even said it as such. The show stated she only said I love you to Neal at that moment because of the stakes much like in S2 finale she called Snow and Charming Mom and Dad because she thought they were all gonna die.
Emma when she said that Killian is her true love, was not in any amount of stress. She was happy, she was honest, her walls were completely down, and she was speaking from the heart.
That’s the difference between both scenarios. Emma should absolutely be taken serious when she was speaking her vows. How dare you suggest otherwise? Go back to reading your headcanons or crack theories.
May 18, 2017 at 11:44 am #339053Bar Farer
ParticipantAll people have said here is that it is strange that all-knowing writers didn’t use their unquestionable true love indicator that they themselves used pretty much everytime on their main and minor ships on KillEmma. It might be intentional or it might be that they are simply bad writers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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May 18, 2017 at 11:47 am #339054Bar Farer
ParticipantNo because I’m only talking about romantic true love not familial true love.
Emma Swan has never indicated nor said that Neal was true love. EVER! The only person that she’s said this about was Killian Jones. You can’t accept that, it’s not my issue. No amount of head-canons in your brain will win out over canon in the show.
As for Emma when she said I love you to Neal she WAS highly emotional and the show even said it as such. The show stated she only said I love you to Neal at that moment because of the stakes much like in S2 finale she called Snow and Charming Mom and Dad because she thought they were all gonna die.
Emma when she said that Killian is her true love, was not in any amount of stress. She was happy, she was honest, her walls were completely down, and she was speaking from the heart.
That’s the difference between both scenarios. Emma should absolutely be taken serious when she was speaking her vows. How dare you suggest otherwise? Go back to reading your headcanons or crack theories.
It seems to me like you can’t accept the fact that Emma LOVED other people rather than other people accepting that Emma is with Hook.
P.S. people’s true feeling usually come out when they’re highly emotional. Feelings = Emotions. It’s a shame that you make a significant moment like Emma calling Snow and Charming mom and dad only to try to reduce the significant of Emma loving Neal. A story is supposed to be more than just ships, there are themes as well.
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May 18, 2017 at 12:02 pm #339056thedarkonedearie
ParticipantIt’s fair to say that you can have multiple true loves. For me, it was Neal (although she never explicitly said the words true love, actions speak louder than words- also her first love), Henry, and then finally Hook. I know Emma says that she had never experienced true love before at her wedding…and that is rather damning. So all you SF fans, how do you explain that? Bc while it was obvious they both loved each other, not only was there never a moment where they SF used TLK for anything, but then Emma acknowledges in the show that she did not have true love before Hook. So….while I personally think it was true love, can we really not take Emma at her word here? I mean, that’s basically the writers telling everybody that what Emma and Hook have is more powerful. I’m not saying I necessarily agree with it, but how can you view it any other way?
May 18, 2017 at 12:09 pm #339058TheWatcher
ParticipantYes, I don’t blame Hook for wanting to get back to Emma and to do whatever it takes. Not at all. What I blame is the writers for continually writing that same schtick
This. I don’t mind Hook wanting to get back to Emma, all of the characters should. Its just the same old storyline again and again and its bad specifically for him because ,and Michael, please pay attention to this: HE HAS NO OTHER STORYLINE. He can want to be reunited with Emma, I just think his character needs more to work with. All the other characters do. All the other characters aren’t attached at the hip to to their loves with stories only focused on them. Hook has a great opportunity to step up as a character. If you are a real Hook fan, isn’t that something we should be rooting for? Or does Hook only matter in the context of Captain Swan for you?
Let me get this straight — are you arguing that someone can only have True Love with one person they’re romantically and sexually involved with and all other relationships, past or present, or non-sexual/platonic/familial, get automatically demoted to something other than True Love?
I’d just like to remind everyone per the words of JMO, that when asked if Emma can love again, she said something about how swans love one mate for their whole life but if the mate dies, they can love again. Even JMO accepts that Emma loved someone other than Hook at another point. I don’t know why this is a point of argument. The only indication that Emma feels otherwise is one line from one episode versus what we have seen and heard from other episodes and cast. I don’t know why Michael just chooses to ignore that Emma actually felt love (familial and romantic) for someone other than Hook. Hook loved someone else before he met Emma. Hook even called Milah his true love did he not?
Also, wait: So if Emma telling Neal she loved him doesn’t count because it was an emotional situation, then why does the times she told Hook she loved him? Remember when she first told Hook she loved him? She was about to sacrifice herself to the darkness? So, by your logic, does that not count? Does Emma not really love Hook?
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ParticipantIt’s fair to say that you can have multiple true loves.
Agreed. Hopefully not at the same time, but if one party dies, I believe its entirely acceptable someone can move on and find another. I accept Emma did that. I think anyone can do that.
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