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Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
Okay, so there was only one good Captain Swan moment this week, bit confused because they DID recap their conversation from last week. But anyway. Some thoughts. Great episode!
So yeah, Regina sees that something is going on between them. Which is surprising, because you think that it would actually be Snow that would. And Regina actually seemed surprised that no one else was picking up on it. Also interesting to note that Emma didn’t fire back at her, which is good for us at this point. She merely did what ANYONE would have said when their secret crush was exposed before they were ready: denial denial denial. That’s how I saw it anyway.
Captain Swan were still very much a team in this episode, a recurring them in all the JR5 scenes is that Snowing are on one side, Regina in the middle and Captain Swan on the other side. Interesting, right? 😉
THE COCONUT SCENE my God the cuteness, they’re sitting together and he’s puncturing coconuts for her and they’re all comfortable with each other and he’s looking at her adoringly it was just soooo CUTE I needed more Captain Swan though like seriously, but we have been spoiled for the last two weeks. But seriously, body language, body language, body language. It’s so important. And also, there is a DEFINITE drinks pattern emerging here. It wasn’t rum, but it was a very conspicuous scene of them sharing a drink together. This scene also wasn’t necessary to the storyline at that time, and yet, we have a shot of them enjoying each others company. Significant.
So all in all, this week WAS actually good for us. Writers don’t use the term “boyfriend” when you don’t want those two people to be associated together. The director has continually reinforced our impression that they are a team and are getting us used to seeing them together. And the actors have reinforced our impression of this with close, comfortable body language.
MY GOD Neal annoyed the crap out of me in this episode. He wanted to use a four year old boy as bait for the worst villain ever? Seriously? And then proceeded to emotionally blackmail RH into using him? Really? And even though it’s done now, THAT BOY WAS SLEEPING UNDER THE WINDOW which does NOT bode well. There’s no way that’s the end of it. RH has to make it to NL somehow; that shadow is coming back for Roland and I cannot believe how unbelievably selfish it was for Neal to do that. Was this supposed to make me like him???? IF SO THEY’RE DOING IT WRONG. Using Roland to get to NL was the very DEFINITION of taking the easy way out, which we know Neal likes to do. Using Roland wasn’t even a last resort! He just saw the kid and then poof, did that, didn’t even ATTEMPT to find another way. Just ugh.
So yeah, we’re consistently seeing Neal making the wrong choices, taking the easy way out. There were other ways to get to NL, HARDER ways yes, but morally stronger ways. What did Snow say last season? “Let’s take the hard path”. Snow took the easy way out and her heart was blackened. Honestly? After Neal’s actions tonight I wouldn’t be surprised if his was. And it’s sooo sad. What happened to little Baelfire to turn him into this?
Also, HUGELY interesting to note, that they paralleled Mulan’s situation with Neal’s in 3×01 right? The fact of Mulan loving someone and only NOW going to tell them showed that it was not enough to make the relationship work. It was too LATE. Sensing a common theme here with this late business. Also interesting to note that the couple are a TL couple.
Thoughts on next weeks promo: Snow insisting that she couldn’t move on if Charming died. HMMMM. Interesting. NEVERMIND that she wouldn’t be able to “move on” while he was still alive and breathing. You feel me? 😉
Thoughts for “Nasty Habits”.
So yeah, from the promo you can see that Neal and Rumple have reunited finally. We just saw the awful risks Neal took to get to NL. We know magic has a price. There is no way Neal getting to NL won’t be without consequences. Anyway, Neal took the easy way out, much like his father does. and both Neal and Rumple have done it before. I don’t think that Neal and Rumple meeting up in an episode called “nasty habits” is a coincidence to be honest. We CSers have previously acknowledged the theory that Neal is going to go down a bad road, and has been paralleled to his father in a lot of ways. I don’t know about you, but this episode seems to have started that. I could be wrong. But it’s also interesting to note that 3×05 is the Killian Jones episode, which will provide a very interesting contrast to Nasty Habits. But we’ll see.
This episode was focussed heavily on Neal, and not in a good way. The way I see it, is that the big picture is that Neal is seeking redemption for his sins against Emma through darkness, whereas we have Captain Hook who is seeking redemption with Emma through goodness.
I have a feeling we were right on the money with all our theories guys. But I guess we’ll see.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
Just wanted to emphasise also, that I never have actually hated Neal, he’s made some VERY poor choices yes, and with regards to Emma I just do not want them together. I don’t want to demonise him or anything. Hook too has made some very poor life choices. But the difference is that he’s proving every day that actions speak louder than words, redeeming himself wordlessly, not talking talking talking about it. Whereas Neal, to me, he’s just all talk, saying he wants one thing, and then making bad, selfish choices.
After this episode my feelings about him slid down a little further. I was middling in the “indifferent” to him phase and now i’m heading down to the disliking him phase.
I’m pretty sure i’m not the only one, and i’m pretty sure it was done on purpose.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
Agreed with everything Captain Eala!
I’ll start with the awesome coconut scene because that is 3 drinks, 3 weeks in a row. Remember when we were freaking out about them sharing a drink and thought she meant in the first ep? So glad we got more than that cause it’s getting progressively better! They were sitting so close and Hook was BEYOND ADORABLE in that scene. Not to mention they were feet away from Snowing being all lovey-dovey on the other side of the campfire and that Tink literally watched Hook & Emma closely and then walked over to talk to Regina about finding her true love.
Teamwork. Again, this may have been a very SUBTLE CS episode, but they showed them repeatedly, side-by-side, working as a team and being pretty darn comfortable doing so. I especially loved at the beginning when Charming was following Snow’s lead and holding a lantern to guide her way, then we see Regina, then we see Hook holding a lantern letting Emma guide the way. Love it!
Oh Regina, you 2nd generation CS shipper you! It amuses me to no end that it wasn’t Snow who picked up on it. Frankly I think she’s in denial cause her head snapped between the two quickly. I know she was sticking up for Emma and she knew exactly what to tell Regina to back off cause Regina’s lost her love too, but her first reaction lookswise made me think she was really not liking even the idea of something. She & Charming in the past have kept a close eye on Hook & Emma interactions but have somehow been oblivious to the obvious closeness in Neverland (though I think Charming’s coming around to Hook otherwise, more on that in a bit). LOVED that Regina called her out on it though and laughed that she was the only one picking up on it. It would have made more sense for her to say something like that to Hook about Emma than the way it played, but we got the same reaction from Emma that we got from Hook when Cora told him he chose Emma and I loved it. ESPECIALLY since Emma wasn’t the one to shut it down (she showed a little surprise is all) but Snow did (more on this coming right up!)
Oh Snow. I know in your fairytale world your first love was your true love and, based on the promo, we know that you couldn’t imagine moving on from Charming, but that is not the world that Emma grew up in! And I know it pains Snow with all of the emotional history for Emma but it was still only her interpretation of what Emma might be going through. It wasn’t EMMA’s reaction to the idea of Hook as her boyfriend (more on this soon). Snow has this “infuriatingly optimistic” view on life and she doesn’t think that you can move on (she’s seen Regina spiral, has she not?) so it makes sense that she would say Emma’s just lost Neal. The only problem is that SHE HAS FAILED TO NOTICE EMMA SMILING AND FLIRTING WITH HOOK and the lack of talking and crying about Neal going on.
Snow, Snow, Snow. You’re usually more observant than this! I’m kinda hoping that when she and Emma are ALONE sometime that they’ll talk about it. Almost like an “I didn’t want to say anything in front of Regina and I had your back but was there any merit to what she was saying cause I’ve been kinda noticing things too…” cause MM was SO observant and always knew with Emma and Graham, and they’ve shown us her reacting to Emma/Hook moments, so it seemed kinda random otherwise. So hopefully more mother/daughter talks will ensue and there might be a moment where Snow sees something and says something along the lines of “you said the same thing with Graham, remember?” The only time we’ve seen her talk to Emma about her behavior around Neal it was to not get Henry’s hopes up if Emma didn’t want to get back together with him. In fact when Emma said she was over him, Snow said “That may be true,” and didn’t latch onto it NEARLY as much as with Graham – plus I want the Graham convo, toward Regina and/or a private talk with Hook about lost loves and the heart deal. Is that so much to ask?
Hook & Charming! I LOVE that Hook immediately took note of the situation and, once again, made an effort to take care of a member of the Charming family. Just like Emma, Charming initially resisted and then let Hook take care of him and check his wound. Seriously love the potential of this brOTP! They get along really well and are a lot alike (when Charming won’t be hating Hook for wanting to date his daughter of course!). Hook is showing yet again that he cares. He didn’t have to stop and acknowledge a wound that Charming has NO INTENTION of telling anyone about. But he chose to. Wonder why that might be…
Back to the coconut scene cause it was amazing and there was NO reason to show it. They could have showed Charming and Snow sharing a nice moment. After all, we know CHARMING is injured and possibly dying. Yet they chose to show us Hook opening a coconut for Emma. In fact, we only see Snowing being cute in the background, when Tink goes to talk to Regina. Why is this significant, besides the pointlessness of showing us that Emma’s trusting Hook more and sharing yet another drink with him and sitting so closely to him at camp? THE FACT THAT IT HAPPENS AFTER THE BOYFRIEND SCENE. Um, Emma? If you were trying to convince Regina, and everyone else, and possibly even yourself that you’re not interested in Hook that way? You might want to try NOT sitting there smiling and sharing a drink with him and sitting in front of the same log that closely. Can’t imagine WHERE Regina might have gotten the idea that the two of you are a couple with behavior like that. Nope, not at all…ok, who am I kidding? Obviously Regina has a point but Emma…did NOT even try to make her think otherwise with this behavior. Just like she stands close to Hook at all times like Snowing does together. Regina is feeling like the odd one out and she does not like it. At least she’s not blind (and frankly, she usually isn’t unless it comes to herself).
Tink. Interesting choice of timing to go chat with Regina some more about whether she ever went back to meet the guy Tink tried to introduce her to. She’s sitting at the campfire by herself with people she’s not familiar with other than Hook and Regina. Regina is off by herself and Tink could have been over there the whole time, waiting for an opportunity to talk to her. Instead, she’s sitting between two sets of people WHO ARE ACTING LIKE COUPLES. She doesn’t know Snow or Charming, but it’s obvious they’re together. Likewise, she keeps seeing Emma and Hook be awfully close, and after STARING AT HOOK AND EMMA, she goes to talk to Regina about her true love. Interesting how when true love is mentioned, the camera goes to somebody or something related to CS, isn’t it?
More on Tink: she definitely has some kind of history with Hook. Looking forward to seeing what it is because for whatever reason, Hook believed she could help. I sort of got the feeling that Tink may have had a thing for him, but it does NOT impact CS whatsoever. If anything, it’s completely unrequited on her part. In fact, if there was any romantic history at all, it is like Rumple/Cora – absolutely meaningless. Why? Because he has Belle, and Hook has Emma. It’s EMMA he’s completely enamored with and focused on, even with his old pal Tink sitting a couple feet away. They could easily have shown us Hook and Tink catching up and finding out what’s been going on since he left Neverland, but he is sitting with Emma, giving her coconuts and smiling at her, watching her reaction to every thing he does to try to impress her (in a very subtle way). They didn’t have to show us that AT ALL. So if Tink did have any feelings for him, it’s completely one-sided because it clearly had no affect on him to give up his quest for revenge and love again. That was ALL EMMA. So there is no need to panic!
I am definitely curious about why Tink rushed after Hook as soon as the group split up for a second and what they may have talked about, but again, not worried. He’s the only one she knows there and might actually have a reason to trust. It’s also interesting that he called her LadyBell before calling her Tink. I definitely want to know more and I think we will in 3×05 for sure, but I could see her picking up on what’s going on between them too and commenting on it, to him at least.
We’ve seen Tink use pixie dust once to find someone’s soulmate, so perhaps if she ever gets her wings back or finds some pixie dust – after hopefully using it on Charming if that is indeed what they need to save him, as well as possibly using it to transport them all back home – I wouldn’t be surprised if she sneakily, maybe while everyone was sleeping, used that spell on Hook to see who his true love is. I don’t want it proven that way, I want Emma to be the one to choose, but I wouldn’t put it past her to try it out and have the audience see it without the characters having a clue, and then watching Emma go through it herself and then have to rationalize it for the people in her life. I definitely don’t see that happening for a long time though. More important things to do for now and I’m sure they want to stretch it out for a bit. Just saying since we’ve seen the magic do that once, it wouldn’t surprise me if it was brought back. In fact, for all we know, if Tink did have a crush on Hook she could have used it on him before and been upset with the results since it wasn’t her.
On the pixie dust front: the promo. They were looking upwards in some cave and said it was their way home. I’m wondering if it was a pixie dust cache of some kind. Fairy dust came from mines so perhaps there’s a special cave that has some, though I would think Tink would already know about it and have some. Possibly pixie dust doesn’t have very many uses or she’s been trying to keep a low profile. We still don’t know her connection to Pan, much less her history with either Pan or Hook so goodness only knows who’s side she’s really on. I’m inclined to like her, but with Regina causing her to go dark, and not knowing her history with Hook, anything could happen.
Looks like we’ve got a lot more Rumple/Neal stuff next week which makes sense. Rumple backstory with his dad should give us a look at Rumple & Neal’s relationship. I’d rather he focuses on that and getting Henry to safety before focusing on his love life. He’s waited this long (and retconned things in his mind to fix them), and I would think focusing on saving their kid would win him more points than ignoring it. It was nice to see that he was actually thinking of Henry and WHY Emma would be in Neverland and kept talking about having to get back to his boy. The Emma, Emma, Emma stuff from 3×01 drove me crazy cause that’s not the priority.
I’ve always been of the opinion that we keep being shown Neal taking the easy way and that magic backfires. Well, now he’s tricked a 4 year old into getting him a ride to NL and goodness only knows what that will do. Since it would make sense for Regina to meet Robin Hood sooner as opposed to later, I am HIGHLY CONCERNED for Roland’s safety. A 4 year old could easily say hmm, that was interesting, let’s do it again! He’s sleeping under the window, he was already told what to say to make the shadow come. What are the odds that he DOESN’T summon it back?? Seriously Neal? I want to like you! I do. I love young Bae. I love the Bae that stood up for people and did the right thing and had ideals and I just…don’t recognize you anymore. Dangling a kid for bait? It was the EASY way to get there for sure, but Neal himself said there were MANY ways to get places.
Not only did he use the kid as bait, he emotionally manipulated Robin Hood. Neal spent the whole ep saying all he had was Henry and Emma (and then admitting that he’ll go to save them but he may not quite have Emma, depending on a lot of stuff, some of which he failed to mention *grumble*). So what does he do? He hears Robin Hood’s sob story about his wife being DEAD, and knows that Roland is his world and STILL gets him to do it. NEAL did not exactly have a way of helping once the shadow grabbed the kid. It was Mulan that made it possible for him to jump after it. Raising your hand as if to scream “no pick me pick me” doesn’t cut it. Thank goodness Mulan had a better plan than that by using her sword! But seriously, this does not bode well and poor Robin Hood. The man was so afraid for his child and can you blame him?? I know Neal is worried about Henry and Emma being in NL as it’s not exactly his favorite place but it seems like his focus is more on making sure he tells Emma he loves her rather than getting them out of there. Every once in awhile he throws in an “I’ll save them” and then goes back to admitting he’s screwed up big time but I just don’t know with him sometimes. I want to like him, I just can’t with Emma for so many reasons! Also, this being his “2nd” chance, is laughable cause there have been quite a few along the way and Emma isn’t exactly as “infuriatingly optimistic” as Snow is. She’s much more like Charming in that regard. Likewise, she’s WAY more like MM (which is why they got along so much better) and goodness knows I get major cursed Snowing vibes from SF.
Pandering to both sides of the triangle with foreshadowing and parallels is driving me crazy. I know lots were celebrating the “roasted swan” as a SF reference but um, that was in the past, before Emma was even born. ANY relationship between them at any time was foreshadowed by that moment. Not endgame. According to Peter Pan, HENRY was meant to exist (which goes back to the conversation between Emma and Neal at the bar in Manhattan – something good was MEANT to come out of their relationship, and it did). Henry is supremely important apparently because he’s the truest believer and is the product not only of light but of darkness. He can save magic. That’s great! NOBODY is refuting this! He IS the product of light and dark. Don’t you think if he’s the product of true love on top of all of that, Peter Pan would have, I don’t know, SAID SOMETHING? Cause being the product of true love is super powerful. It’s what EMMA is. But PP glossed over Emma like she was NOTHING. So she broke a curse, so what? She is only important to PP for bringing Henry into the world and for being herself the product of light, as Bae is of dark. It doesn’t mean they have to end up together, just that they were meant to bring Henry into the world and have him grow up exactly as he did to be there right now to save magic. Pretty sure the conversation would have been completely different in how PP treated Emma if being the product of true love was something he associated with power, ESPECIALLY if it made Henry somehow doubly powerful.
So not a super heavy CS episode but it had lots of lovely subtle little moments of teamwork and being there for each other. Comfortable silence and trust is a wonderful thing and they were ANYTHING but awkward. I really loved how they showed just how comfortable they are with one another, especially showing it side-by-side with Snowing. It just felt…right. And again, just remember they didn’t have to show us that coconut scene, but it did occur AFTER Regina called Hook Emma’s boyfriend…and Emma wasn’t exactly steering clear of him to correct that impression to anyone, even the new girl. .
We may not get tons next week either should be Rumple/Neal heavy but hopefully we get some nice moments like this one and then we get a promo for 3×05 which should be huge!*fingers crossed* After all, feelings will be “hard to deny” and we’re running out of early episodes and something is bound to happen to solidify it right before Neal finds his way to where they are. Has to happen though. We need him there to save his kid, he has history in NL that he needs to confront just like everyone else is doing this season, he needs to bond with Rumple (who he forgot about when he said that Henry and Emma were all he had *sniff*) and ultimately, we need Emma to CHOOSE Hook. Plus there’s the kiss coming up that Matt Mitovich confirmed was CS I’m pretty sure so…that’s good!
Keep Calm and Ship CaptainSwan. Is it next Sunday yet? Cause I need it to be…or the one after that, that would be good too!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Agreed with everything MysteryKat!!!! 😉
That Tink thing, with her watching them, some are taking that to mean that she’s jealous of Emma because she has Killian. Now, *something* may have happened between them before (MAY HAVE) but if it did, she is not an obstacle to the CS ship, no way. If you look at that coconut scene Killian only EVER has eyes for Emma, looking up at her with puppy dog eyes, generally thinking she’s amazing etc. (killing myself with feels here). Not to mention the fact that Killian gave up his revenge for Emma, not for Tink.
Now, I think that she was watching them in more of an assessing way but I could be wrong. She has to know Killian’s history with love, it was the whole reason he was in NL in the first place and they appear to be friends. It’s funny though, because Tink actually has no idea of the dynamic of the group, and I wouldn’t actually be surprised to discover that she thinks that Captain Swan are a couple. She sees these two (True Love) pairings enjoying each others company and then immediately goes over to Regina to talk to her about her second chance at love, and not just any love, the soulmate kind. I’m thinking that she knows about Milah and possibly is thinking “good for Hook, he got his second chance” and it was THAT that spurred her into talking to Regina about hers.
This quote from Tink that scene has me thinking:
Unreal. Do you know how selfish that is? You didn’t just ruin your life. You ruined his.
I’m thinking that she’s going to say that to Emma at some stage in the future about Killian. Why else would they introduce this concept in this particular way…? I don’t know. Pure speculation!!
Yes MysteryKat, that was the most interesting thing about the Regina “boyfriend” scene (apart from the fact that Emma didn’t outright refute it, Snow did) is that if she was trying to dispel that thought from Regina’s head afterwards she went about it in the wrong way lol. She was sitting with Killian across from her parents in genuine comraderie, KNOWING how he feels about her, in full view of Regina. If Emma was TRULY unreceptive, not returning any feelings whatsoever, she would be INITIATING DISTANCE between them. I know I would attempt to avoid someone like the plague if I didn’t return romantic feelings for them. Emma’s mind may not be feeling romance, but her body is, and her heart is.
Yeah, like I was saying, finding it EXTREMELY odd that Snow is noticing nothing between Emma and Killian. She was so observant when it came to Graham, and Emma was a lot better at hiding her feelings for him than with Killian IMO. But then, she hasn’t really noticed that her husband is in extreme pain and dying either. Maybe NL is throwing her off-kilter. Lol.
From the promo as well, it looks like Rumple is training Neal is some way. Who did he train before? Cora and Regina. I’m sorry, but it’s looking more and more like Neal will follow his fathers character arc. Neal is just not Baelfire anymore, he has been changed, possibly by Pan. Baelfire saved the Darling boy from the clutches of the Shadow, and yet, as we saw today, was willing to risk a child to fulfil his own needs. No matter how anyone tries to sugar coat his actions, he still willingly and knowingly put a child in danger of being taken by the Shadow to a villain who is, in Neal’s words, “hands down the nastiest villain I’ve ever met”. Huh? It just makes no sense to me.
And then there was the fact that Pan said that Henry was the child of darkness and light. This indicates to me that Neal has more than a high chance of turning towards darkness. I just hope he doesn’t get to the ripping out hearts stage like Rumple did to Milah (but we know Emma can’t have her heart ripped out so the parallels end there). We learned that Emma’s heart can’t get ripped out for a reason. It’s either in relation to the Heart of the Truest Believer, or (and!) she is Killian’s soulmate. I guess we’ll see soon enough. (spoiler: Emma is Killian’s TL for those who are nervous! Lol)
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
And also, as to the “roasted swan” thing? Total reference to future antipathy between Regina and Emma.
In Manhattan Rumple was genuinely surprised that his son and Emma had been together.
If in fact it was a reference to Swanfire, it’s not a very romantic one IMO. That Swan was dead, “couldn’t fly anymore” and was about to be eaten. Just saying. 😉
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
capt eala and mysterykat – I agree with your assessments.
did you see this tweet from Jane Espenson?
https://mobile.twitter.com/janeespenson/status/389545847660503041
Basically she is saying that Darkness is a mutagenic carcinogen like radiation/asbsetos/other cancer causing substance. So when Rumple took on the dark one mantel, he cursed his line with the cancer of darkness, which is why Henry is the product off both darkness and love. This is very intriguing to me.
Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.
Basically she is saying that Darkness is a mutagenic carcinogen like radiation/asbsetos/other cancer causing substance. So when Rumple took on the dark one mantel, he cursed his line with the cancer of darkness, which is why Henry is the product off both darkness and love. This is very intriguing to me.
Darkness, like other environmental influences, can alter the genes
Very interesting. This just backs up what we’ve been saying about Neal all along – he has a capability for darkness, which we saw today. He has started along same path as Rumple, and possibly even darkened his heart with what he did.
Remember what Regina said?
You’ve darkened yourself. And once that happens it only gets darker…. and darker.
The difference with Henry is that he has the genes of light in him as well to counteract that darkness.
I gotta say, MJR is good at playing the villain. It’ll be interesting if it should actually happen.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
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